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British Government on the Verge of Collapse.

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posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 02:52 AM
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originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Propagandalf

Because governments are known to do that?

Your and our politicians cannot even keep their election promises nevermind do what's best for the people.

Where is Trump's wall that he kept on bumping his gums about, how come Hilary is walking around free as a bird?

Politicians lie, they will say anything to get a vote or remain in power, kind of how the bastards operate by default since the inception of the rat bastard really.

Whats a promise to a politician? Nothing but words and hot air really. And that's just how our world spins.


yes, and if they do, we vote them out...well, so long as you believe in democracy.


We don't vote them out, we vote the party out, after all it's not like Darth May was even voted in...




posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 02:59 AM
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originally posted by: skywatcher44
Anyone above advocating staying in the crooked EU should be ashamed to be British.



Cheers for the input but I'll decide what I should and shouldn't feel ashamed of for myself thanks. I don't need someone from the opposite end of the Political spectrum telling me how to feel. And I've never had a need for shame, or even regret for that matter....



posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 03:02 AM
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a reply to: Rafa86uk

Welcome to ATS Rafa.
It's a bloody mess mate but I guess we should have expected nothing more as it's probably by design , skulduggery is afoot.



posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 03:12 AM
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originally posted by: username74

sedition.
at last a mainstream papers got it.
www.thesun.co.uk...



The Sun? Just about every newspaper is lambasting the PM, and for good reason, yet you chose the top of the UK gutterpress? Very telling...


originally posted by: username74

I have been telling people about this for weeks and they just look at me like a dog being shown a card trick!

www.ukcolumn.org...


UK Column, as published by Brian Gerrish...


Brian Gerrish is a prominent figure in the British Constitution Group and the Lawful Rebellion movement. Gerrish is active on the seminar circuit and routinely gives talks at BCG meetings. Gerrish is mainly known for his paranoia regarding the organisation Common Purpose with his website Common Purpose exposed and for his newspaper the UK Column.


What exactly have you been saying about the word salad you shared?



posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 03:16 AM
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originally posted by: username74
a reply to: skywatcher44

well since the dirt is starting to show
www.cyberguerrilla.org...
suddenly the government’s fierce desire to stay part of the EU makes a lot more sense.


Your link won't open with NowTV Internet, it times out, what's it saying?



posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 03:18 AM
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Never gone Polar, ok once that's about it.




posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 04:04 AM
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originally posted by: studio500

So in summary, a second referendum would be a democratic vote. But it would be a huge insult and a breach of democratic vote, to a large portion of the original 52% whose minds have not changed at all.



That's assuming their minds have not changed. There are many people on this site alone who have changed their minds one way or another, the most common being those supporting a 2nd Referendum who didn't before, I feel this is being echoed across our great(ish) nation.


originally posted by: studio500

The problem is, that all this arguing, between the people and in parliament does nothing but harm us as a Country.



This I agree with.


originally posted by: studio500

The real villains here are the EU dictats, who are determined to make an example of the UK for leaving the block and to prevent others from doing the same.

The people of the UK should be united against a common enemy, (for want of a better word). But instead, here we stand in total disarray, and nothing but shambolic infighting and point scoring between our political parties.

In the past, the UK has has almost always prevailed, due to our unity, resolve and bravery, no matter what, we as a Sovereign Nation have faced.

Today, the people of the Britain stand, not united, but...... disenchanted, angry and frequently misled, no matter what side of this Brexit border debate we stand.



What we actually need is a complete overhaul of our political system. It's no longer fit for purpose. Right now I feel our own government is a bigger enemy than EU bureaucrats




originally posted by: studio500

Britain is already broken, that's for sure. Look around and witness the breakdown of the social fabric that once bonded together as brothers in arms.
All we see today, are teen muggers with arms, and an ineffective police and judicial system. The NHS is on its knees, our military has been decimated beyond embarrassment and our outdated transportation system, grinds to an overpriced halt.



Britain is broken, if anyone had cared to look into the Social Impact of having a Brexit Referendum they would have seen this coming but nobody did. This vote made Britain more divided than the Scottish Referendum did for our nation North of the Border.


originally posted by: studio500
Meanwhile, if Mr Putin truly wanted to expand his Empire, then now would be the perfect time to strike. Whilst Britain is weak, Europe disenfranchised, and whilst our American cousins have sport the great and mighty Trump at the helm of the free world (bless his cotton socks).

We are not currently, in a good place.


Woah, is that fear I can smell? It's almost palpable. Putin will not invade...


originally posted by: studio500

Even if a 2nd referendum was held, we would be punished by the EU. Our large and hard fought rebates would be lost. The Euro would replace the Queens coin and the EU would have a tighter grip on the UK than ever before. In fact, the grip would be so tight, it would not just be our eyes that were watering either.



Now you're scared of being chastised? Is there anything you're not scared of?

What you're talking about is becoming a full EU member instead of the special membership we enjoyed previously, where we helped make EU rules and had some say in what we took on board, a lot of you don't realise how good we had it.


originally posted by: studio500

Project fear is currently in full swing,



In your post. The fact is more fear is oozing from the pores of those scared by a second referendum than anywhere else.


originally posted by: studio500

...and many dispel the doom porn offered, but the problem is:

A) The doom may well contain some elements of truth.
B) Nobody knows WHAT WILL REALLY Happen, because, this has never ever happened before in history.



A) Yours does, no matter what happens now our dynamic with Europe is going to change drastically, even remaining would mean we would never enjoy our seat at the head of the EU table. For the first few years we'll be sat with the disruptive kids at the bottom of the room.

B) This is the most factual point you've written. This is unchartered territory and I daresay there will be more surprises uncovered before March 29th, I wouldn't be surprised if there are surprises unearthed on March 29th before the 11pm Deadline for Brexit.


originally posted by: studio500
In other words, the UK is screwed no matter what, and will be for a long time, whatever the eventual outcome may be.

The only light at the end of the NON channel tunnel, is that over time, things might, just might, get better...... But then again......



You're very much the pessimist aren't you? I've been for staying in the EU before Brexit was on the table, it might interest some to know that one of the biggest promises in the Scottish Referendum (the one that is believed to have sent so many running to vote No) was that the ONLY way to ramain in the EU was to vote No (not all of us believed that particular lie though)

I say "it might interest some" because mentioning the Scottish Referendum on here means open season for a bit of Scots bashing to a minority.


originally posted by: studio500

Finally this....


Don’t sink Brexit! In a passionate cry for common sense, former Vote Leave chief MICHAEL GOVE says torpedoing Mrs May's deal could backfire horribly – and yoke us to the EU for ever




He's clutching at straws, the deal is already dead in the water, only a miracle can secure a win for May now, good riddance to her, she's spent 2 years kicking the can down the road and secured a deal which continues to kick it.


originally posted by: studio500

No matter what happens my fellow countrymen, we'll all be in it together and I hope that one day, we can resolve our differences and once again stand together as one, strong and united people...... of Great Britain.



I wish that were true but whatever happens between now and March 29th one thing is certain, half the population is going to be very annoyed. Brexiteers will not come together, if we remain, to make the best of staying in the EU and, more likely, if we leave, Remainers will have a hard time making the best of leaving.

You have to realise that with there being no option for a hard border between N.Ireland and The UK it means there WILL be a border between EU Ireland and Non-EU N.Ireland at some point in the EU. The backstop can never be a permanent solution, May buried a confusing political statement in her Withdrawal Bill to that effect.

We should just tear up the Good Friday Agreement now, it's not worth the paper it's printed on anymore....



posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 04:09 AM
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a reply to: djz3ro
"And I've never had a need for shame, or even regret for that matter..."
or sense, lol

edit on 1-12-2018 by username74 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 04:11 AM
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originally posted by: Lucius Driftwood

originally posted by: eriktheawful
"Polls" not "Poles"

Sorry, not normally a spelling nazi, but that was driving me up the wall.

"Poll" is when you vote, or give your opinion on how you vote.

"Pole" is something you either fish with, or run a flag up.


Or a people that come to your country in mass numbers, work hard and send all their money back home to live a better life upon return.


And Project Fear is a tool of the Remain side? Hahaha

Not all polish people do that. There are Thousands of Poles who are keeping their money in this country, buying property, investing in business and living a high life here in the UK. I know Poles who own gyms, nightclubs, pubs and houses. In fact, every Pole I've met calls UK home and has no intention of leaving.

The fear is strong with this one...



posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 04:13 AM
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a reply to: djz3ro

no. you didnt read it again did you?
signing over control and command of all british forces to the european soviet is what is in the article
once that happens, its over.
so if brian gerish is correct does that still make him paranoid?
edit on 1-12-2018 by username74 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 04:15 AM
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a reply to: Rafa86uk

You speak a lot of truth in your post apart from the part where you say a second referendum would be undemocratic. What could be more democratic than the people getting a say on the final shape of Brexit?

Fraggle Rock was also the name of a short lived Rock Night I used to run, before we swapped it for Kerosene ha ha.



posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 04:18 AM
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The government might be on the verge, but the civil service, who actually run the country, will still collect taxes, prosucute wrongdoers, pay the other civil servants, and keep the country running, just as in Spain, Italy, Greece(although they have never collected taxes due, which is why Greece is in the brown stuff).



posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 04:19 AM
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originally posted by: username74
a reply to: djz3ro
"And I've never had a need for shame, or even regret for that matter..."
or sense, lol


**Yawn** you make personal attacks, I make points. You lose...



posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 04:20 AM
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a reply to: djz3ro
just for you i will paste the text. see if you can use the links,


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As part of the project Britain has time and again intervened into domestic affairs of independent European states. A most demonstrative example is operation ‘Moncloa’ in Spain. Britain set to prevent Pedro Baños from appointment to the post of Director of Spain’s Department of Homeland Security. It took the Spanish cluster of the Integrity Initiative only a few hours to accomplish the task.

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posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 04:22 AM
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a reply to: MrPopularity

never... go full retard!



posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 04:30 AM
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originally posted by: pikestaff
The government might be on the verge, but the civil service, who actually run the country, will still collect taxes, prosucute wrongdoers, pay the other civil servants, and keep the country running, just as in Spain, Italy, Greece(although they have never collected taxes due, which is why Greece is in the brown stuff).


The public sector is the area most tied up in EU Legislation, considering the government is being about as transparent as mud about Brexit, how sure are you this statement is accurate?

I'd suggest it's more honest to say that the civil service, who usually run the country, will still endeavour to collect taxes, prosucute wrongdoers, pay the other civil servants, and keep the country running as best they can under the circumstances.



posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 04:33 AM
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a reply to: djz3ro

i am thinking you are maybe quite young.
i know the u.k. has been legislated into safety land for 20years but some things are still dangerous.

"I wish that were true but whatever happens between now and March 29th one thing is certain, half the population is going to be very annoyed. Brexiteers will not come together, if we remain, to make the best of staying in the EU and, more likely, if we leave, Remainers will have a hard time making the best of leaving.
You have to realise that with there being no option for a hard border between N.Ireland and The UK it means there WILL be a border between EU Ireland and Non-EU N.Ireland at some point in the EU. The backstop can never be a permanent solution, May buried a confusing political statement in her Withdrawal Bill to that effect.
We should just tear up the Good Friday Agreement now, it's not worth the paper it's printed on anymore...."

dont think you realizse what that would mean, and the knock on effects..
the border should be an e.u problem. they wanted to annex southern ireland.



posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 04:35 AM
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a reply to: username74

Thank you. The links to the docs in the text work. I'm not surprised in the slightest by this, other than the fact it's the first time I've seen this on ATS.

This could make leaving the EU even worse for us, surely this won't go unpunished. I mean every country in the world engages in activities like this but they all act in mock shock when one of them is outed for the practice.



posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 04:36 AM
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a reply to: pikestaff

this is the problem.
its the civil service are pro europe and not elected.
so unless we root out our deep state....



posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 04:37 AM
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a reply to: djz3ro

you get out what you put in.




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