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British Government on the Verge of Collapse.

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posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 06:53 PM
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a reply to: djz3ro

I'm not sure we ever have to be honest.

Not suggesting that in theory, it's not the best form of government we have come up with.

But realistically power corrupts, money corrupts, and we surround our politicians with ample supply of both.

I think we all know what happens next as absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Money talks, the rest is simply a dog and pony show for the masses.




posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 07:03 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake

" Do you imagine Trump gives a rats arse as to what happens to the average Joe in your own nation? "


Well , Believe it or Not , he Does . The Mans Honest Patriotic Demeanor is Based on what he believes American Freedoms are All about , Upward Economic Mobility . Who Built America in the First Place ? The Working Middle-class . I do not try and Pretend I know Everything about Politics in Great Britain , but here in the U.S. President Trump is the ONLY TRUE PATRIOTIC American President since Lincoln .



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 07:09 PM
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a reply to: djz3ro

comparatively.



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 07:11 PM
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a reply to: Zanti Misfit

And the thing is a significant percentage of US citizens actually still share your view. LoL

Meanwhile, the rest of the world watches the retarded orange buffoon pretend to play POTUS and wonders "Jesus Christ America what the hell happened to your once great nation others aspired towards emulating???"

Not that our Mrs May is a whole lot better, but at least she does not sound like a petulant 10-year old that's dog ate there homework. She would steal the homework all the same. LoL

We miss you America come home, please, as the world might actually need you once again.

As to Lincoln, you mean the same fellow that didn’t believe blacks should have the same rights as whites? That thought colonization could resolve the issue of slavery?

Sounds like a charmer.
LoL
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posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 07:13 PM
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a reply to: Zanti Misfit

i get it.
we need a civic nationalist too.
maga



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 07:14 PM
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Anyone above advocating staying in the crooked EU should be ashamed to be British.



A UK minister has resigned saying a row over involvement in the EU's Galileo satellite-navigation system exposes Theresa May's Brexit deal as "naive". The UK had wanted to stay part of Galileo after Brexit, but the EU said it would be banned from the extra-secure elements of the programme. Mrs May confirmed on Friday that the UK was pulling out of the project. Science minister Sam Gyimah said it was "a clarion call" and that any deal with Brussels would be "EU first". The UK's interests "will be repeatedly and permanently hammered by the EU27 for many years to come", he added in a Facebook post setting out his reasons for resigning. He also said he would be voting against Mrs May's deal.


www.bbc.co.uk...



Why did the UK and EU disagree over it? The UK has been a key player in the Galileo project. The UK has spent 1.4bn euros (£1.2bn) on the project, according to a report in April. UK companies have built components for Galileo and one of the project's two Galileo Security Monitoring Centres was based in the UK, in Swanwick. The site is now being relocated to Spain. In May 2018, the UK's Department for Exiting the European Union said it wanted to continue participating in Galileo. But the EU said that the restricted and security-related part of the system - PRS, which is of particular interest for the military - is only for EU members and, after Brexit, the UK will not be allowed access. The EU said the UK would not be allowed to be trusted with the EU's most sensitive security information after Brexit. In June 2018, UK companies were excluded from bidding for contracts on the satellite system.



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 07:20 PM
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As said earlier, Britain is in a catch 22 situation and there are going to be some very turbulent day's ahead, a wonderful # storm coming down the line with possible civil unrest if we end up with a no deal.



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 07:23 PM
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a reply to: skywatcher44

sedition.
at last a mainstream papers got it.
www.thesun.co.uk...

i have been telling people about this for weeks and they just look at me like a dog being shown a card trick!

www.ukcolumn.org...



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 07:28 PM
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a reply to: wobbs62

civil unrest with/without a deal.
economic problems with/without a deal.
its best we are governed by ourselves.



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 07:29 PM
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a reply to: skywatcher44

I'm sound then being Scottish.


The full of the UK should be ashamed, but with May and Westminster.

The hardworking people of this nation have nothing to be shameful about.

Our politicians, on the other hand, are clocked in shame, downright covered in the stuff from head to toe if truth be told.
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posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 07:43 PM
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a reply to: skywatcher44

Surely Galileo has been been set up as a commercial entity within the Euro-Comm, legally able to trade with the contractors wishing to bid for work? In which case, what would the UK plc £1.2b investment represent as % of shares in the project? And, who owns the intellectual property?

I agree with Gyimah about the naivety of May's deal/negotiations and would add she just is not the intellectual giant the country needs at this crucial time in our history.


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posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 07:44 PM
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a reply to: skywatcher44

well since the dirt is starting to show
www.cyberguerrilla.org...
suddenly the government’s fierce desire to stay part of the EU makes a lot more sense.



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 08:52 PM
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I'm not for a 2nd referendum, but how it can be considered undemocratic by some, is beyond me.
I constantly hear the phrase, "it was the will of the people"

Yet it would be exactly the same people, undertaking the same vote, so it would still be 'the will of the people'.

The 2016 referendum was a snapshot of 'the will of the people', at the time.

A 2019 referendum would be a snapshot of the 'will of the people', at a time in the future.

This is not undemocratic, this is a perfect example of democracy at work.

The caveat, as quite rightly stated by someone before me, was that the voters in the 2016 referendum were told that the result of the vote, would be carried out and the UK would leave the EU.

So in reality, there are no winners here, neither leavers' nor remainers'.

If a 2nd referendum went ahead, no matter how democratic the vote was, over 51% of voters of the time, would have been lied to, making their once in a lifetime vote, worthless.
That's where the democracy argument breaks down for 52% of the people who were told, their vote would count.

So in summary, a second referendum would be a democratic vote. But it would be a huge insult and a breach of democratic vote, to a large portion of the original 52% whose minds have not changed at all.

Therefore, It's quite easy to see both sides of the argument here.

The problem is, that all this arguing, between the people and in parliament does nothing but harm us as a Country.

The real villains here are the EU dictats, who are determined to make an example of the UK for leaving the block and to prevent others from doing the same.

The people of the UK should be united against a common enemy, (for want of a better word). But instead, here we stand in total disarray, and nothing but shambolic infighting and point scoring between our political parties.

In the past, the UK has has almost always prevailed, due to our unity, resolve and bravery, no matter what, we as a Sovereign Nation have faced.

Today, the people of the Britain stand, not united, but...... disenchanted, angry and frequently misled, no matter what side of this Brexit border debate we stand.

Britain is already broken, that's for sure. Look around and witness the breakdown of the social fabric that once bonded together as brothers in arms.
All we see today, are teen muggers with arms, and an ineffective police and judicial system. The NHS is on its knees, our military has been decimated beyond embarrassment and our outdated transportation system, grinds to an overpriced halt.

Meanwhile, if Mr Putin truly wanted to expand his Empire, then now would be the perfect time to strike. Whilst Britain is weak, Europe disenfranchised, and whilst our American cousins have sport the great and mighty Trump at the helm of the free world (bless his cotton socks).

We are not currently, in a good place.

Even if a 2nd referendum was held, we would be punished by the EU. Our large and hard fought rebates would be lost. The Euro would replace the Queens coin and the EU would have a tighter grip on the UK than ever before. In fact, the grip would be so tight, it would not just be our eyes that were watering either.

Project fear is currently in full swing, and many dispel the doom porn offered, but the problem is:

A) The doom may well contain some elements of truth.
B) Nobody knows WHAT WILL REALLY Happen, because, this has never ever happened before in history.

In other words, the UK is screwed no matter what, and will be for a long time, whatever the eventual outcome may be.

The only light at the end of the NON channel tunnel, is that over time, things might, just might, get better...... But then again......

Couple of things before I tune in to, 'Find A New Place in The Sun'.
I thought I'd share this little gem with my learned friends. I'm no Farage fan either, but this, I did like.



Finally this....


Don’t sink Brexit! In a passionate cry for common sense, former Vote Leave chief MICHAEL GOVE says torpedoing Mrs May's deal could backfire horribly – and yoke us to the EU for ever


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No matter what happens my fellow countrymen, we'll all be in it together and I hope that one day, we can resolve our differences and once again stand together as one, strong and united people...... of Great Britain.

God bless all who sail in her.



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posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 09:09 PM
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a reply to: studio500

Summed it up rather well i suppose.


However its rather hard to stand together whilst the class gap only widens further between the haves and the have-nots of our nation.

Divide and conquer mentality at play really as is plain to see.

Still, kind of hard to stand together, whilst the Tories have their foot on our nut, that's not together but atop one another.

Brexit won't bring equality but a further socioeconomic division, the super-rich will get richer whilst the rest of us are forced to make do with less.

That's not progress, that's one step forward and two steps back.

At least that's how i see Brexit in its present form.

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posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 12:45 AM
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originally posted by: eriktheawful
"Polls" not "Poles"

Sorry, not normally a spelling nazi, but that was driving me up the wall.

"Poll" is when you vote, or give your opinion on how you vote.

"Pole" is something you either fish with, or run a flag up.


Or a people that come to your country in mass numbers, work hard and send all their money back home to live a better life upon return.



posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 02:09 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Hello , been lurking in the shadows of ATS forums to spy on you lot for a good few years now , but actually wanted to make a contribution regarding this..

I'm in my early 30s , work full time hours, from a working class background.

Firstly, and most importantly in my view, if this is truly a democratic society and government, then a second referendum

*** IS ABSOLUTELY NOT AN OPTION ***

The people already voted, this was the path the majority wanted to go down, we don't know for certain if it's the right or wrong decision yet , and to be honest I don't think we ever will know, because brexit ain't gonna happen!

It is inevitable a second referendum will go ahead somehow, the whole illusion of being democratic is insulting to us people, as illusions are supposed to be difficult to see, yet anyone can deduce that by ensuring a long painful drawn out negotiating stage, it will allow sufficient time to utilise mainstream media to create enough doubt, fear and uncertainty amongst the populace to ultimately swing the result in the favour to remain next time around.

The whole set up and manner in which this country is governed is so corrupt and so flawed it beggars belief. If they can't enough minds second time around, we'll be having referendum after referendum until they get the decision they originally wanted.

The agenda within the government and large proportion of the political set up, is not and never has been to serve the best interests of the british public , they don't give two #s about any of us.

Instead of pulling together and honouring the notion of doing what is best collectively for the country as a whole, opposing leaders take the opportunity to score political points for and against one another, they redicule , criticise one another, scrutinise each others policies.. its pathetic

They claim to want whats best for Britain but they simply cannot reach any sort or compromise or contemplate the notion of pulling together and working in unity, even just temporarily, to manouvre us through this mess

Disband parliament, # the lot of em off! If not the division will eventually spillover, people are pissed off and getting more pissed off, I'd actually expect to see severe civil unrest before the societal collapse ensues in it's entirety.

I'll be moving to fraggle rock anyway



posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 02:44 AM
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originally posted by: Propagandalf
a reply to: alldaylong

Even the government, in its appeal to stay in the EU, promised this:

"This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide.'

Why the government believes that voting to remain in the EU is the best decision for the UK


That's a statement, not a promise, it's not legally binding and that's because it's the result of a referendum.

An oath from a liar is no oath at all...



posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 02:46 AM
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originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Propagandalf

The government will do what's best for the government.

Do you really imagine the have concerns or cares or the will of the people at heart?

Have you seen or heard Mays opinions on a deal? Its Goddard lunacy, expensive lunacy to boot.


I was merely showing that the government said it would implement what the people decide. The people decided to leave, therefor they should leave.


I've taken the liberty of highlighting the most important word in your post...



posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 02:47 AM
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originally posted by: username74
a reply to: Propagandalf

unfortunately they were in fact, lying.
and in traditional british style will now double down on the lies and go for broke.
this will go very badly for us all.


Ah finally, someone gets what I'm saying...



posted on Dec, 1 2018 @ 02:50 AM
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originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Propagandalf

By that flawed logical reasoning

If i jump off a cliff you are going to follow i imagine?

Brexit is quite the height mate, just a thought, i hope you packed a parachute, because they are not going to be handing them out like sweeties after Brexit.

Tell you what similar question if you don't wish to reveal your location, do you even hail from our shores?

Again the reason i ask it the proof you require.



That lack of logic suits perfectly someone whose side lost. But for the majority who voted otherwise, and democracy in general, it is in everyone's best interest for the government to keep the promise it made to its people.


There are a few in here who support Brexit who feel a second referendum is needed, they didn't feel that way a few weeks ago though. This deal has put a 2nd referendum on the table. Not an In/Out one like you assume though, we're going round in circles here because you and one or two other posters keep parroting the line that we want another vote on leaving Europe and we don't accept the result of the first Brexit Referendum, both points are intellectually dishonest but please, carry on the ignorance...




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