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British Government on the Verge of Collapse.

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posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 05:06 PM
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originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Propagandalf

So were you against Ireland’s second vote on the Lisbon treaty, are you against a second Scottish independence referendum?


I think that given a fair amount of time a second referendum is ok, so long as the first results were given a chance. But proposing second referendum on a hunch is banana republic territory.


So how much time, who gets to dictate how much time.

The truth is a there is nothing undemocratic about a second brexit referendum, it’s actually the purest essence of democracy to go to the people for a referendum and ask what they want.

It would be against democratic principles to ignore the will of the people, a second referendum is not ignoring them it’s giving us another chase, a final say now that we know with much more clarity what brexit will look like.



No, overturning the will of the people because some don't like the results is surely not democratic. It's totalitarian.


It’s not overturning the will of the people though.

It’s giving us, the people, a second say, that’s all.

And it’s got nothing to do with not liking the results and everything to do with the best interests of the nation. No-deal is worst case for the UK, it’s like proper disaster stuff, we have the NHS having to stockpile meds, chaos in the Irish boarder, a 8% cut in economic growth the lost goes on.


It's giving the losers a second chance, just to be clear.

I would argue just do it, and if it all turns out awful like everyone fantasizes, do a referendum to get back in the EU.



Right so let me get this straight.....

You are saying it’s undemocratic for the U.K. to have a second referendum, also seem to recall you saying we lost our sovereignty with the EU

Yet at the same time saying that if it doesn’t work out just join back up again. (Wouldn’t happen)

Hmmmm new avatar same inconsistent arguments les.



And you're suggesting a second referendum because you don't like the results of the first one.


Nope.




posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 05:10 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Propagandalf

So were you against Ireland’s second vote on the Lisbon treaty, are you against a second Scottish independence referendum?


I think that given a fair amount of time a second referendum is ok, so long as the first results were given a chance. But proposing second referendum on a hunch is banana republic territory.


So how much time, who gets to dictate how much time.

The truth is a there is nothing undemocratic about a second brexit referendum, it’s actually the purest essence of democracy to go to the people for a referendum and ask what they want.

It would be against democratic principles to ignore the will of the people, a second referendum is not ignoring them it’s giving us another chase, a final say now that we know with much more clarity what brexit will look like.



No, overturning the will of the people because some don't like the results is surely not democratic. It's totalitarian.


It’s not overturning the will of the people though.

It’s giving us, the people, a second say, that’s all.

And it’s got nothing to do with not liking the results and everything to do with the best interests of the nation. No-deal is worst case for the UK, it’s like proper disaster stuff, we have the NHS having to stockpile meds, chaos in the Irish boarder, a 8% cut in economic growth the lost goes on.


It's giving the losers a second chance, just to be clear.

I would argue just do it, and if it all turns out awful like everyone fantasizes, do a referendum to get back in the EU.



Right so let me get this straight.....

You are saying it’s undemocratic for the U.K. to have a second referendum, also seem to recall you saying we lost our sovereignty with the EU

Yet at the same time saying that if it doesn’t work out just join back up again. (Wouldn’t happen)

Hmmmm new avatar same inconsistent arguments les.



And you're suggesting a second referendum because you don't like the results of the first one.


Nope.


Oh, you voted to leave?



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 05:10 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

Look i spilled my pint now. LoL

Mate stay away from drugs with that "only way you can be sure is if you try it" attitude.


Which is it a hunch or a demand? Make your mind up, please.

Like you have been shown there are presidents for a second referendum, given the circumstances, should or government deem it necessary.

Sounds like a reasonable if not prudent request if you ask me, and i don't imagine I'm the only one that would entertain the possibility given the factors and concerns that have raised there head.
edit on 30-11-2018 by andy06shake because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 05:14 PM
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originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Propagandalf

So were you against Ireland’s second vote on the Lisbon treaty, are you against a second Scottish independence referendum?


I think that given a fair amount of time a second referendum is ok, so long as the first results were given a chance. But proposing second referendum on a hunch is banana republic territory.


So how much time, who gets to dictate how much time.

The truth is a there is nothing undemocratic about a second brexit referendum, it’s actually the purest essence of democracy to go to the people for a referendum and ask what they want.

It would be against democratic principles to ignore the will of the people, a second referendum is not ignoring them it’s giving us another chase, a final say now that we know with much more clarity what brexit will look like.



No, overturning the will of the people because some don't like the results is surely not democratic. It's totalitarian.


It’s not overturning the will of the people though.

It’s giving us, the people, a second say, that’s all.

And it’s got nothing to do with not liking the results and everything to do with the best interests of the nation. No-deal is worst case for the UK, it’s like proper disaster stuff, we have the NHS having to stockpile meds, chaos in the Irish boarder, a 8% cut in economic growth the lost goes on.


It's giving the losers a second chance, just to be clear.

I would argue just do it, and if it all turns out awful like everyone fantasizes, do a referendum to get back in the EU.



Right so let me get this straight.....

You are saying it’s undemocratic for the U.K. to have a second referendum, also seem to recall you saying we lost our sovereignty with the EU

Yet at the same time saying that if it doesn’t work out just join back up again. (Wouldn’t happen)

Hmmmm new avatar same inconsistent arguments les.



And you're suggesting a second referendum because you don't like the results of the first one.


Nobody is saying that. We're all in agreement that this deal is so bad that a people's vote is the only fi way to proceed. Even if Remain is ofcthe table we need a vote on the actual shape of brexit.



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 05:14 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

Ohhhh I don’t miss your pointless circular argumentments.....

Point is there is nothing undemocratic about a second brexit referendum.

You have not provided any reasonable argument as to why it would be undemocratic nor have you countered any of the arguments that propose a second referendum in any meaningful way.

Just your usual circular arguments.



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 05:16 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Propagandalf

Look i spilled my pint now. LoL

Mate stay away from drugs with that "only way you can be sure is if you try it" attitude.


Which is it a hunch or a demand? Make your mind up, please.

Like you have been shown there are presidents for a second referendum, given the circumstances, should or government deem it necessary.

Sounds like a reasonable if not prudent request if you ask me, and i don't imagine I'm the only one that would entertain the possibility given the factors and concerns that have raised there head.


It's a hunch, it's a feeling, it's a fantasy...take your pick. There is zero evidence for your fears that wasn't born in someone's imagination.



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 05:20 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin




Ohhhh I don’t miss your pointless circular argumentments.....

Point is there is nothing undemocratic about a second brexit referendum.

You have not provided any reasonable argument as to why it would be undemocratic nor have you countered any of the arguments that propose a second referendum in any meaningful way.

Just your usual circular arguments.


Yes a second brexit referendum, like your attitude and empty, propaganda-derived arguments, is undemocratic. In democracies we accept the results even if we lose. Give it a shot sometime.



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 05:29 PM
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You have not provided any reasonable argument as to why it would be undemocratic nor have you countered any of the arguments that propose a second referendum in any meaningful way


The result of the 2016 referendum was for The U.K.to LEAVE The E.U.

That action has not been carried out as yet, but will be in March 2019. BEFORE any second referendum can be considered, the result of the 2016 referendum MUST BE CARRIED OUT due to the will of the people.

After a period of time after we leave The E.U. if their is a call for a referendum for us to be given the choice to rejoin then so be it.

What is it that some people don't understand ?



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 05:29 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

nope. its propaganda.



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 05:35 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

what the # dont you understand about his argument?
how is it circular.
we voted. its about sovereignty.
which may is quietly selling you out on.
if you overturn the will of the majority...



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 05:40 PM
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a reply to: username74

oh look, what a suprise!
www.express.co.uk...



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 05:42 PM
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originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Propagandalf

Look i spilled my pint now. LoL

Mate stay away from drugs with that "only way you can be sure is if you try it" attitude.


Which is it a hunch or a demand? Make your mind up, please.

Like you have been shown there are presidents for a second referendum, given the circumstances, should or government deem it necessary.

Sounds like a reasonable if not prudent request if you ask me, and i don't imagine I'm the only one that would entertain the possibility given the factors and concerns that have raised there head.


It's a hunch, it's a feeling, it's a fantasy...take your pick. There is zero evidence for your fears that wasn't born in someone's imagination.



The same could be said of your fears for wanting to leave.

A referendum is not legally binding, even if the government did decide to ignore the results and remain, without a second peoples vote, it's still considered democratic.



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 05:49 PM
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a reply to: djz3ro

dude, that statements not even consistent with itself.



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 05:51 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

If we were to take your thread seriously then Britain would have never flourished before you became part of the European Union... So how did Britain survive and thrived before the EU?...

How did Britain fare before it became part of the European Union, and why do you think it's not possible at all for Britain to once again thrive like it did before being part of the EU?...
edit on 30-11-2018 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 05:51 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

"It's a hunch, it's a feeling, it's a fantasy"

That would be the current notion of a deal i imagine.


Where do you hail from?

Might help me supply you with some ""evidence"".

edit on 30-11-2018 by andy06shake because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 05:52 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong

That action has not been carried out as yet, but will be in March 2019. BEFORE any second referendum can be considered, the result of the 2016 referendum MUST BE CARRIED OUT due to the will of the people.



What is it that some people don't understand ?



The bit where you think the will of the people, in regards to the Referendum, MUST be carried out. You can repeat that until you're blue in tbe face but, since a Referendum in the UK is essentially an opinion poll as opposed to a legally binding vote, you're completely wrong in that aspect of it all.

Read it and weep!


National referendums can be permitted by an Act of Parliament and regulated through the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000, but they are by tradition extremely rare due to the principle of parliamentary sovereigntymeaning that they cannot be constitutionally binding on either the Government or Parliament


So, you were saying???



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 05:56 PM
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a reply to: djz3ro

what do you think will happen if you disregard the wish of the majority?



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 05:57 PM
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originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Propagandalf

Look i spilled my pint now. LoL

Mate stay away from drugs with that "only way you can be sure is if you try it" attitude.


Which is it a hunch or a demand? Make your mind up, please.

Like you have been shown there are presidents for a second referendum, given the circumstances, should or government deem it necessary.

Sounds like a reasonable if not prudent request if you ask me, and i don't imagine I'm the only one that would entertain the possibility given the factors and concerns that have raised there head.


It's a hunch, it's a feeling, it's a fantasy...take your pick. There is zero evidence for your fears that wasn't born in someone's imagination.



The same could be said of your fears for wanting to leave.

A referendum is not legally binding, even if the government did decide to ignore the results and remain, without a second peoples vote, it's still considered democratic.


That's true, but then again, the UK has been a part of the EU for..how long? The reasons for leaving have been piling up while the reasons for remaining have been dwindling.

There was a time it was legal to own slaves. Legality isn't a sufficient or valid reason to justify moral decisions.



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 05:58 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Propagandalf

"It's a hunch, it's a feeling, it's a fantasy"

That would be the current notion of a deal i imagine.


Where do you hail from?

Might help me supply you with some ""evidence"".


Who wants to know?



posted on Nov, 30 2018 @ 05:59 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

theres a lot of hand licking in this country these days.
sam adams was a wise man.



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