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Some of the Reasons Why Many Americans Do Not Approve of Donald Trump.

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posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 08:30 AM
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a reply to: BlackJackal




As an example, many Trump supporters still say that Trump didn’t fire Jeff Sessions even though the President asked him to resign.


You just keep on coming with the lies don't you?
How can you effectively "ask someone to resign" when they have already threatened to?
You are full of the crap.

June of 17
www.nytimes.com...


WASHINGTON — Attorney General Jeff Sessions offered to resign in recent weeks as he told President Trump he needed the freedom to do his job, according to two people who were briefed on the discussion. The president turned down the offer, but on Tuesday, the White House declined to say whether Mr. Trump still had confidence in his attorney general.

www.businessinsider.com...
April of 18


Attorney General Jeff Sessions told the White House last weekend that if President Donald Trump fired Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, it may prompt his departure as well, The Washington Post reported.


June of 17
abcnews.go.com...


Attorney General Jeff Sessions has become so tense that Sessions at one point recently even suggested he could resign.


May of 17
nymag.com...


Sessions offered to resign,


How long do you plan on posting this exposed line of crap?
Trump did not fire sessions.
Sessions resigned.
Sessions had threatened to resign many times over the past 2 years......Trump couldn't make him do anything.




posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 08:37 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

How can someone who has not yet immigrated, be an illegal immigrant?


The minute anyone from Honduras, El Salvador or Guatemala entered into Mexico without documentation and trampled the border fence they became "illegal".



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 09:01 AM
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a reply to: Lab4Us

Hey, I try... but it does get trying sometimes...

The real issue is that there are issues on both sides, some of these being legitimate complaints. I see Donald Trump's faults... I'm not blind. But I then see so much absolute hatred coming from those who oppose him... and I am talking about unbridled, unrelenting hatred... and I do not see anything that should create such.

I repeat... one cannot legitimately expect peace while firing into a foxhole. But it seems many want exactly that: to have anyone who disagrees with them just shut up and go away so they can win their arguments, all the while refusing to shut up and go away themselves. That dog just don't hunt... never did, never will.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 09:17 AM
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a reply to: BlackJackal


My goal for this topic is to attempt to explain why many American’s have issues with Donald Trump in a way that Trump supporters may be able to understand if not sympathize with.

Ok I'm willing to consider your argument, lets take a look.


First is projecting strength above all else. Authoritarian leaders must always project strength regardless if they are in wrong. The idea is to never admit to being in the wrong or to back down. One way this tactic is carried out is through military parades like Russia, China, Venezuela, and North Korea.

Indeed these are some decent examples of nations which are heading down a dangerous path and they all have something interesting in common. China has recently implemented some dystopian social credit system and they decided to remove term limits for the President, shockingly most citizens seem to believe both of these things are a good idea. It's truly amazing how effective the propaganda tactics of the Communist Party in China is. The thing these other nations have in common with China is their communist and socialist tendencies.

So when I hear people trying to characterize authoritarianism and fascism as a strictly right-wing thing I get extremely skeptical because there's a great deal of evidence showing how heavy handed socialism can quickly get out of control and how politicians promise endless free stuff in order to sway voters. It's also quite clear how the type of nanny statism we're seeing in China is fundamentally achieved via conditioning the population to give up their personal liberty and submit to collectivism, Trump does the opposite by upholding individualism and free-market ideals.


Journalists within these countries are routinely threatened, imprisoned or killed.

There is a difference between attacking the MSM and criticizing the MSM, this is not an argument because Trump allows them to spew endless criticism towards him without having them locked up or killed. It's easy to complain about your freedoms when you live in what is possibly the freest nation on Earth with a very healthy respect for individual liberty. Yet it seems the left would prefer heavy censorship, I've even seen China promoted as the ideal role model for internet censorship, because the last thing we'd ever want is for certain people to share their thoughts on social media.

From what I can the left would also like to have a single party system like China so that a dumb republican can never be elected again and put their visions for a globalist utopia at risk. Until you've lived in a socialist nanny state and you see the end result I think it's very dangerous to build arguments around things you don't truly understand. If these types of far left philosophies are great why aren't you moving to Canada where you can live under the righteous rule of a man-child like Trudeau? Or if you prefer a bit more nannying and surveillance may I suggest the UK, or perhaps the EU if you really crave dumb taxes like link taxes, maybe Australia if you're a drinker or smoker and like to spend your life savings on your habits. It's all for the greater good of course.


Would you defend Trump if he started a program similar to Duterte’s in which drug dealers and drug users could be killed extra judicially? I’m sure you are saying to yourself “Of course I would never defend that, that’s stupid”. Don’t be so sure.

Actually I am sure I wouldn't support that, the same way I don't support the wall idea. Also I highly doubt Trump would do that, he recently said he will protect states that have legalized weed and that he is likely to support ending federal ban on marijuana. I've always said Sessions was an idiot and should be replaced. What most on the left don't seem to understand about Trump is he's not a typical Republican and not as far right on as many issues as they believe. They just view him exactly the way he is presented by the MSM, which is as an evil villain, and that's precisely why the MSM is a threat despite all their whining and victim mentality. It's the same breed of conditioning and psyops tactics used by these dystopian nations, fundamentally it appeals to our sense of virtue and righteousness, guiding us down the path to hell by exploiting our good intentions.

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posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 09:17 AM
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The problem with anti-Trumpers is that they never questioned or recognized Obama's "autocracy" or have done their research on what authority a President is allowed or not allowed.

Regardless of what Trump has said, he has NOT overstepped his authority as President. What we have is a bunch of people who are not informed on what his authority level allows him.

Trump has the authority to overturn previous Executive Orders and the authority to protect our borders and Americans. It troubles me that anti-Trumpers are more concerned with illegal immigrants than they are citizens of their own country. This is the stupidity that can cause the whole country to collapse. Obama was the one who ILLEGALLY gave work permits to DACA and DAPA recipients. Fortunately, a federal judge recognized that Obama overstepped his authority and shut DAPA down. Now we're still left with DACA because politicians are politically afraid to touch the issue. On the other hand, Trump's not dealing with "work permits". He's dealing with invaders who demand to enter our country without permission and much of that is due to Obama's encouragement of illegal immigration (through DACA and DAPA) and support of sanctuary cities. Regardless of what any one (including judges) want, the President does not have to provide asylum to everyone who wants it. Most of them don't even qualify for asylum under our CURRENT LAWS.

Obama also allowed the IRS to target conservative organizations in order to refuse them tax exempt status. Even after it was proven, his administration continued it anyway, finally resulting in millions of dollars being paid out to these organizations for the federal government's illegal targeting of them.

Obamacare became illegal the minute the mandate was declared. It wasn't legal as a "penalty" or a "tax" because the House never voted on it as a "tax". In fact, the House never voted on it at all. Once Justice Roberts declared it a "tax", it should have been sent back to the House for another vote and it never was because the Senate knew it would fail. The Senate knew the House would have voted it down anyway, which is why they bypassed the House altogether by stripping an already existing bill that the House already voted on and reworded it so that they didn't have to send it back to the House for a vote the first time!

While Trump may have spoken nice things about other dictators, he's not the one who took it upon himself to lift sanctions off of them. The sanctions against Russia and North Korea are all still in place, unlike the Obama Iran deal fiasco where he took it upon himself to lift sanctions against Iran. That will go down as one of the biggest foreign policy blunders this country has ever committed and Congress was left out of it by not being allowed to read the agreement for themselves.

Most of us voted for Trump as President to STOP all of these illegal activities committed by the Obama administration and to reverse them. Add all of the targeting of the Trump campaign by the CIA, FBI, and DOJ, and we have the biggest threat to our voting system and Republic we've ever experienced! All because these institutions wanted Hillary Clinton to allow them to continue their own unfettered power!

Where were you that you didn't know that all of this was going on?! What has Trump possibly done that makes you think he's just as bad or worse?


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posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 09:42 AM
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What I do not understand is all the evangelicals that support Trump.



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 09:44 AM
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a reply to: jrod

What's not to understand?

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 09:45 AM
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originally posted by: jrod
What I do not understand is all the evangelicals that support Trump.




posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 09:46 AM
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originally posted by: jrod
What I do not understand is all the evangelicals that support Trump.


What are their other options?

Hillary?

Anyone on the left?



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: jrod

What's not to understand?

TheRedneck


Trump is not a man of morals...



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 10:11 AM
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originally posted by: jrod

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: jrod

What's not to understand?

TheRedneck


Trump is not a man of morals...


Ok.

Fine.

Let's allow that to stand for a moment.

Can you name 3 politicians in Washington DC that exemplify morality?



Okay. That was mean. Sorry.

Just name one.



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 10:16 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Hilary Clinton?



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 10:18 AM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: DBCowboy

Hilary Clinton?



Ok. This was my mistake.

An error on my part.

I did try to type in "exemplify morality" and I guess autocorrect made it, "Walking piece of hog's vomit".


I'll double check my submissions in the future.

Apologies.




posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Why the hog hate so close to the holidays?


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posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 10:32 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

No apologise needed, autocorrect issue with my tippy taps as well
Was supposed to say Herpes Clinton



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: Deetermined

originally posted by: chr0naut

How can someone who has not yet immigrated, be an illegal immigrant?


The minute anyone from Honduras, El Salvador or Guatemala entered into Mexico without documentation and trampled the border fence they became "illegal".


No, they didn't. The law is more complicated than that.

IMMIGRATION LAW IN MEXICO - MEXLAW



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 11:08 AM
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I would tend to agree to a point. But, he has kept most of his campaign promises. When was the last time a politician did that?

Hint: it would have to be before my lifetime.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 11:08 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

No, they didn't. The law is more complicated than that.


There's nothing complicated here. The first part talks about those who have entered the country with "permission" and "legally". The second part addresses their different kinds of visas, which are documentation for legality. What part in your link do you not understand?!

IMMIGRATION LAW IN MEXICO - MEXLAW


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posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 11:13 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

A question: why did you link to a site which disproves everything you have been claiming?

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 11:25 AM
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So, to sum up. Many Americans view Trump as a wannabe fledgling autocrat ... BECAUSE ... He wanted a military parade.... AND ... he wants to build a wall.

I know you wrote a lot more words than that, and I commend you for being civil and thought full on the subject, but these (and the most of the other points you made) are just too flimsy to make me afraid Trump is taking us down a road to autocratic rule.

My town had a militery parade a few weeks ago on Veterans Day and there are walls and fences all over the place (I have one in my yard,) ... the SS hasn't come to pick me or any of my neighbors up yet ... I keep looking out the window to be sure but I dont think they are coming.


There is one point you did make that does have some weight ... The perception that Trump has made lying and rejecting reality mainstream ... he sure does it a lot; but I'm sorry from my non partisan perspective, for politicians and the media lying and rejection of reality has been in the mainstream for a very long time; long before Trump decided he wanted to be in on the game.

So for me it sounds like these Non Trump supporters you are referring to are making mountains out of molehills. Their not exactly wrong in their criticism they are simply going overboard in their opostion... interest of being opposed to bigger picture issues (corruption in all parts of government for example) they are putting all their energy and attention into one man ... one man who is rather insignificant on the grand scale of things I might add... When he's gone in a few years (whether from natural flow of time or by criminal prosecution) all of our real problems will still be here... kinda puts arguing over a military parade on a more insignificant scale.

To be clear this is not just a Non Trump Supporter problem; it seems most of us have fallen into this trap of over blowing the "obstacles" (for lack of a better word) in our lives.



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