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Ocasio-Cortez compares members of migrant caravan to Jews fleeing Nazi Germany

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posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 06:03 AM
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If they are running for their lives, why go all the way to the US of A? Why is Mexico not good enough? Can you better define what you mean by running for their "life"? You mean they literally will be murdered if they don't stay? You mean they aren't offered the same opportunity at a better life in their country vs America? Because one of those choices isn't americas problem.



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posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 10:04 AM
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It's complicated.

Central America Refugee Crisis
Families and unaccompanied children are fleeing horrific gang violence.
www.unrefugees.org...

Overlooked War: Why Central American Refugees are Fleeing to the U.S. www.emersoncollective.com...

Understanding the Central American Refugee Crisis www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org...

Many refugees do stay in Mexico.


Still, applying for asylum in Mexico has its own problems. Violence in parts of the country is as bad as in the Northern Triangle. In 2017, journalist Edwin Rivera fled threats in Honduras, only to be murdered in Veracruz, Mexico. Mexican cartels have also kidnapped Central Americans en masse, demanding ransom money from any family members in the United States. “Mexico is not a safe place for thousands of migrants and refugees that flee the violence of Central America,” the Doctors Without Borders said in a press release on Wednesday.



Gusman’s story illustrates the brutality that is pushing many to leave the Northern Triangle of Central America, which includes Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador, and seek refuge in nearby countries, including Mexico and the United States. The number of asylum applications in Mexico has rocketed, from 2,000 in 2014 to more than 14,000 last year, with Honduras as the leading source of applicants, according to the United Nations Refugee Agency (UNHCR).

However, this surge comes as more Mexicans are themselves fleeing violence to seek refuge in the United States. In the first three months of 2018, the Northern Triangle nations and Mexico made up four of the six top source countries of applicants for U.S. asylum, government data shows.


time.com...



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 07:26 PM
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originally posted by: Subrosabelow

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: crayzeed


They have to apply for refugee status in the first safe country they land in.


I remember you stated in another thread that this was international law or UN law or something. could you cite this law for me?


It appears that the law requiring you apply for refugee status in the first country of landing was abolished sometime after 2016. A system obliging refugees to register in the first European country they enter looks set to be abolished

I also found this (PDF file: )

Section 11 The concept of first country of asylum

I also found this quote from a US Immigration lawyer:


You aren't required to apply in any safe third country before applying for Refugee or Asylum status with the U.S., BUT, you may have to prove that IF you were in a safe third country, why you were not able to stay there and ask for Refugee or Asylum status.



I assume you mean the caravan that is coming up. I cannot get into a political discussion about this, but the grand majority are not going to be let in because they are coming for economic reasons, not for Asylum/Refugee status. They will not be able to pass a credible fear interview and will not be let in.



People don't understand the reality. The reality is that most of the persons coming will not be let in. Some will be let in that are able to convince an officer that they are in danger of persecution because of their race, nationality, religion, social group or political opinion. And of those that are let in, most will eventually be sent back.


Above is from this site where someone asked about the migrating caravan: Just Answer- Immigration Law

And this: The facts about asylum


There is nothing in international law to say that refugees must claim asylum in the first country they reach. A European regulation allows a country such as the UK to return an adult asylum seeker to the first European country they reached. This means that countries on the edge of Europe have responsibility for a lot more asylum seekers than others. Some of the countries through which people travel to get to Europe are not safe places and many have not signed the Refugee Convention, meaning that people who remain there will not get international protection and be able to rebuild their lives.




Very nice! thanks!



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 07:38 PM
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a reply to: lakenheath24

This just In from the American People Network ....Melania Trump Attacked by the Left and MSM for Having a Genuine Christmas Spirit . Bah Humbug ! ...

edit on 27-11-2018 by Zanti Misfit because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 12:59 AM
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America is a nation of immigrants, many who suffered persecution in their home country. Many others came here simply for a chance to have a better life. Why should a nation of immigrants be against others coming into their country, particularly those who are persecuted. That's what underlies Ocasio-Cortez's analogy. Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. I guess that mantra no longer applies in the age of Trump authoritarianism.



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 01:06 AM
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This brief video of a Father, whose daughter was murdered by an ILLEGAL ALIEN on Thanksgiving day, is touching.

This Could Be Any One of Us: twitter.com...

If Congress cared about the people who elected them, construction of a long-deep-high Wall between the U.S./Mexico would be well underway. And number of Americans killed by illegal aliens, or the drugs smuggled in, would be steadily decreasing.

But since Congress doesn't give a damn about the safety of citizens, President Trump should call for an urgent, nationwide vote. YEA or NEA for building "The Wall", starting IMMEDIATELY.



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 02:25 AM
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originally posted by: tabularosa
America is a nation of immigrants, many who suffered persecution in their home country. Many others came here simply for a chance to have a better life. Why should a nation of immigrants be against others coming into their country, particularly those who are persecuted. That's what underlies Ocasio-Cortez's analogy. Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. I guess that mantra no longer applies in the age of Trump authoritarianism.


Trump is not against immigration
Republicans are not against immigration
Trump supporters are not against immigration

Did you know that when somebody is opposed to ILLEGAL immigration that does NOT mean they are opposed to immigration?

All that is being asked is that people APPLY to enter instead of SNEAKING across the border. How is that any different to what EVERY single country on earth has in place????????????



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 07:57 AM
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a reply to: Breakthestreak


Trump wants to change the laws that allow refugees to enter the country between ports, and apply legally for asylum. Trump wants to eliminate legal "Family Reunification" immigration. He wants to eliminate "Lottery" immigration. He has removed legal "Temporary Protection Status" from hundreds of thousands of refugees from Haiti, El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala and more. He endorses the RAISE Act, which would cut legal forms of immigration by 50 percent. He tried to ban all Muslims. He wants to eliminate all H-4 Visas, which allows professional foreign workers to come with their spouses.

But you go ahead and believe that Trump is not against immigration.



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 08:51 AM
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a reply to: Zanti Misfit

And this relates to the OP how? Go back to the bar.



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 08:53 AM
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a reply to: Breakthestreak

Peeps love to ignore that little word. You know the one ...illegal. It's kinds important. But the op is not about immigration.



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 08:55 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

He’s not.



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 10:54 AM
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Let me set this out more clearly.
Immigration:- This has nothing to do with refugee, refugee status or asylum. It is someone entering a country legally and after a period of time applies for citizen status.
The "Caravan":- when they left their country and entered say Mexico they are classed as illegal immigrants. They are in Mexico illegally and have no rights to ask for anything.
Refugees:- Illegal migrants entering another country who wish to claim asylum MUST register in the first safe country they enter. This is at the moment to claim refugee status not asylum. They have to prove that they are in danger in their own country, then they are given paperwork to prove their refugee status.
Till they claim refugee status they are classed as illegal entities. So all those crossing Mexico without claiming refugee status are illegal. That is the basis of claiming refugee status in the first safe country they enter.
No-one can claim asylum without the paperwork to prove they are a refugee. Just saying they are a refugee does not count.
If you read Subrosabelows post on refugees in Europe this is blurring the lines. It states that refugees need not seek asylum in the first safe country they enter, that is true, but they first must register as a refugee in the first safe country.
Refugees:- Once granted refugee status they can travel to any country that will accept them. This is known as asylum shopping. but to claim asylum in their country of choice they MUST be inside that countries borders.
So at first they are illegal immigrants, then they must claim refugee status before they can claim asylum. If these people in the "caravan" have not claimed refugee status in Mexice they are trying to enter the USA as illegal immigrants and they cannot claim asylum.



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 10:55 AM
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Just give them California already and section it off...

all you Cali#s going to have to stay there.

Trust me when I say this, no other states want you.



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 10:55 AM
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a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Nobody was attacking her. Rather, its almost all remarks over how her Christmas decorating style hearkens earily to the set design of Handmaid's tale



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 11:51 AM
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a reply to: crayzeed

You could not be more wrong about the refugee status in the first safe country . I thought so to but found out differently. It's in the 1951 refugee convention.



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 12:35 PM
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a reply to: lakenheath24
No, they talk of asylum. That is totally different than claiming refugee status. Without refugee status they are just illegal immigrants no matter where they are. They MUST be refugees before they can claim asylum. A migrant cannot claim asylum.
As these people in Mexico, when they reach the US border (if they haven't claimed refugee status in Mexico) they are still illegal immigrants and cannot claim asylum in the US.
Please get it through your heads (this is what Trump is on about) even if they are genuine refugees, they MUST register before they cross into the US. Otherwise they ARE illegal immigrants. They cannot enter the US to claim refugee status then ask for asylum. Because they are entering the US illegally.



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 01:27 PM
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a reply to: crayzeed

Again, this is not the topic of the OP, BUT, Asylum seekers do not have to claim Asylum in the first state they come to,

www.refugeecouncil.org.uk...

www.theguardian.com...

If you can find facts to the contrary, then please provide them. I think this policy is wrong, but laws are laws until they are defined better.



posted on Nov, 29 2018 @ 10:55 PM
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a reply to: lakenheath24

Just another Example of MSM attacking the President through his Dear Wife . What , that does not Offend you ? ...Hmm..



posted on Nov, 29 2018 @ 10:57 PM
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You guys are making this girl more popular ever day.

Apparently the Republican party learned nothing from the Trump election.

The more you rag on her the more people will gravitate towards her.


Rofl you guys and your bad strategies its so funny watch



posted on Dec, 3 2018 @ 07:47 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

You are Guilty of " Identity Politics " Sir , and are Sentenced to 40 Years of Community Service !




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