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Car inspections and mechanics "diagnosis" for imaginary problems

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posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 08:24 AM
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originally posted by: neomaximus10
a reply to: watchitburn

We pay over 30k a year just for our 2 auto logicboxes, we specialize in Ferrari andlambos, and it is 100k a year for lambos dam software and site access, they freaking doubled the price last year.
The dealers are trying to make it so expensive and difficult for independant shops to be able to do what the dealer can do via programming and such, that a lot of small shops just can't keep up or handle it.


Ferraris and Lambos. Okay

But for the other 99.9% of the automotive repair world, it's not going to be that expensive.




posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 08:47 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: watchitburn
Auto repair is not rocket surgery.


What if this is your daily driver?



Then a car inspection is the least of your concerns... lol



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 08:52 AM
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a reply to: StallionDuck

Its takes more lines of computer code to run a Mercedes S-Class than it does a Euro-Fighter.





posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 08:58 AM
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originally posted by: StallionDuck
Then a car inspection is the least of your concerns... lol


I typically make it through inspection in .5 seconds which leaves me plenty of time to hit the drive thru for a coffee.



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 09:01 AM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: dfnj2015

I don't need the Govt to protect me from fraud.

It's called personal responsibility. You might want to look into it.

But I know you leftists like to have your nanny state pat you on the butt and tell you everything will be okay.


Maybe not you but many people out there do. Government, state, local or federal, should be policing fraud. We/they pay taxes so this should be included and delt with often. Not everyone can be, has the time to be or wants to be a mechanic. Some people just don't have the knack for it and can't understand it.

I'd be very happy if the government actually did anything about fraud. It would save a lot of people a LOT of grief.



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 09:07 AM
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originally posted by: watchitburn

originally posted by: neomaximus10
a reply to: watchitburn

We pay over 30k a year just for our 2 auto logicboxes, we specialize in Ferrari andlambos, and it is 100k a year for lambos dam software and site access, they freaking doubled the price last year.
The dealers are trying to make it so expensive and difficult for independant shops to be able to do what the dealer can do via programming and such, that a lot of small shops just can't keep up or handle it.


Ferraris and Lambos. Okay

But for the other 99.9% of the automotive repair world, it's not going to be that expensive.



whaaaa???

C'mon man.... You should know better than that if you know anything about cars.

Some cars ARE a hell of a lot more expensive than others. Excluding super cars.

My vette alone had to be taken care of by a certified GM mechanic or some lugnut would ruin my car. Every part is like a house note. To get to said parts is almost impossible without the correct tools that your common day john handy will not normally have ready available. The amount of room between said parts are so minimal, you would be better off bringing it in. I'm pretty mechanically inclined and I refused to work on my vette for the latter reason. Buying all of the tools to work on that car is a money sink.

Car manufacturers today make it extremely hard for anyone to work on their own car anymore. They pretty much have you going to the dealer for nearly every service now. ...and it's getting worse.



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 09:08 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: StallionDuck
Then a car inspection is the least of your concerns... lol


I typically make it through inspection in .5 seconds which leaves me plenty of time to hit the drive thru for a coffee.


Imagine if you had a lead foot


Wait... that thing does corners well? haha You'd never make it through Micky Ds. Unless you "drove through" lol
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posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 09:09 AM
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a reply to: StallionDuck


Get a mid-year, I can climb in the engine compartment and still have plenty of room to work if I want to.



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 09:14 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: StallionDuck


Get a mid-year, I can climb in the engine compartment and still have plenty of room to work if I want to.


I could go with a body lift kit but nah... I like mine pre-current model. C6 LS3 08'. Would love to get my hands on a mid engine but I hear they're gonna cost a full mortgage and maybe a few body parts.

Currently enjoying the hell out of my hellcat though. Closest thing to that rocket car that I can afford lol



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 09:59 AM
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It pisses me off royaly when mechanics rip people off. I have done my own work since I was 16. Anyway, here is a list of basics to help.


Whatever car you own, it has a forum on the internet. Find it. Dont be afraid to ask questions. They will know exactly what is wrong 99.9% of the time and will know how to fix it and what part, etc, etc.

If a check engine light comes on or anything like that...take it to Autozone or similar car place and have them run a diagnostic on it. It is free. Get a printout so if you do need to go to a mechanic, tell THEM what is wrong with the car.

Ask for a quote....all jobs are based on hours in an official book. They should not be charging 8 hours of labor when the book says 2.

Tell them up front you want the bad parts back. This freaks them out.

Pretend you know what you are talking about. Be confident.



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: StallionDuck

I like when my 88Tbird Turbo coupe puts a whoopin on these new fangled cars. Computer control has really ambped uup what a 4 pot can crank out.



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 10:32 AM
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a reply to: watchitburn

You ignored most of my post,yes Lamborghini stuff is expensive, that's a given, the other 38 bays our shop has does domestic and foreign.

There is a bit more than just using your laptop with cheap obd2 cables. You need a good obd2 to use cable to be able to watch live data properly and fast enough, where the money comes in is programming new modules, updating current modules, any kind of coding, variant coding, scn coding, you are going to need a good pass thru device. Which can cost a pretty penny, we use the drewtech, which is only 3,000.00. Now you have your passthru device, now you need to go pay the manufacturer for a daily access pass so that you can get the software needed for updating or coding a new module.

Those subscriptions range from 25$ a day, to 1100.00 for a year subscription for mercedes. Hyundai its 75$ per flash. Like I said, every manufacturer has different prices. To be able to handle a volume if cars, you need a really good quality product/scanners, laptops, cabling, battery management system.

So many things can go wrong with coding and programming, you need to be competent to do it.

It all adds up pretty fast, so yes it is expensive.



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 10:37 AM
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a reply to: lakenheath24

Hell, I just did that for my wife's hyundai, had hard downshift, googled it, found a tab for ecm and PCm software update, ended up being 134.00 for the dealer to do it. If I did it on my time, it would have cost me 150.00 plus it my time, like I said, dealerships make it harder for independent shops, it is just illegal to make it impossible for them.
Also, good luck trying to program a Volvo or Porsche module, cuz u can't, they still have not released their software to the public.



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 10:37 AM
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Dealership tried to screw me once, like pornstar screw.
Checked the owners forum for the best mechanic in my area.

Never looked back, got me a 370z recently, I don’t care if it’s still in service plan.
I will never let a dealership touch my car.



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 11:22 AM
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originally posted by: Osirisvset

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: DigginFoTroof

The best way to prevent yourself from being ripped off by mechanics is to educate yourself.

Auto repair is not rocket surgery.

That may have been true maybe 15+ years ago, modern cars are just a mess of electrical systems, sensors, computers and whatnot, theres not a lot of work that can be sensibly done by a "google mechanic".
A lot of smaller mechanics have shut up shop as all the big brands for any kind of diagnosis now need proprietary diagnostic gear costing big bucks.
So the car owners are now tied to the dealership for the life of the car, basically they can charge whatever they want cos no one else can fix any issues(of which there seem to be many, mucho electronics= mucho gremlin). Zero completion=gouge gouge gouge!
Holden in Australia is the only car maker I'm aware of that will share their systems diagnostic hardware and software/data with independent mechanics, and its not cheap either.
The OP's new battery story is very familiar, exact same thing happened to my mums new Kia.
Great car but had intermittent starting issues.
Dealership ran diagnostics, couldn't find squat.
I had a brand new battery, hooked it up to her car, problem vanishes!
Personally I won't touch any car newer than 2003/2004.
My 03 Toyota Hilux(Tacoma) is the last of the Japanese builds, everyone I speak to with newer models have had issues with the electrics in one form or another.
Plus overall "ruggedness" has gone way downhill, body panels, suspension, running gear etc are all a lot less tough than a decade or to ago.
Used to be a good mechanic was like a good doctor, you find one and you don't go anywhere else.
These days its irrelevant, you get what you're given( which half the time is a first year apprentice on minimum wage, good luck!).


It's still true.
Yeah youre not going to be doing software updates and things like that but there is all kinds of # you can still do yourself.

As others have said you just have to try to learn to do it yourself. More resources now than ever before.

YouTube will give you step by step video instructions on damn near anything



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 11:25 AM
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a reply to: neomaximus10

I have saved sooooo much money by reading on-line forums. I haven't been to an Autozone in years so I don't know how up-to-date their E-tools are. But the forums usually have someone that know the cheat codes to bypass the diagnostic tool. My mini had something where you had to flash the remote a certain way and the engine light would flash...something like that.

New cars are nuts though, I think the manufacturers all got together and created a hands-off policy for owners! A friends Mercedes had to have a freakin headlight bulb flashed into the computer ffs.

I love my 1988 though. It's got a standalone ECU that I can program anything I want to via laptop.



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 02:31 PM
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Where I live, annual vehicle inspections are mandatory.

While I'm not 100% against them (they do keep other peoples junkers from breaking down and slamming into mine) I'm probably 90% against them.
Why?

Because it's a racket.

By law, the inspection costs $15.
Mechanics charge a minimum of $60 an hour for labor- which means even if they could check all the things they need to check by law they'd have to do the whole inspection including getting you in and out of the building in 15 minutes to match labor rates. It's just not possible- a typical inspection of a vehicle with nothing wrong with it will take twice that time.

But, if you don't do stickers, you'll lose your customers to someone who does.
The solution is simple- never find nothing wrong with a car.

Some years ago, a new business started- all they do is stickers. A year later they started offering oil changes and small fixes like belts/bulbs. Why? Because you can't pay a certified mechanic on what the sticker costs.

So now, you can't pass. You'll fail for a conveniently broken marker light- every time. Even if you checked all of your marker lights before going in. The only way that market light works is if something else is wrong to fail you, like balljoints.
So, you pay the $15 fee (pass or fail), go home, change the ball joints, then go back and fail for a marker light.
So, now it's $15 for the sticker- and $45 for the marker light.

It's the only way for them to make any money. And I do it, year after year. Why? Because my other option is to go to an oil change place and get the exact same treatment- only then, it might be a wheel bearing because the wheel bearing tools are already unpacked that day.

It's bull.



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 02:47 PM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: DigginFoTroof

The best way to prevent yourself from being ripped off by mechanics is to educate yourself.

Auto repair is not rocket surgery.


May you be blessed with as much free time as necessary to become intimately well versed in every aspect of every automobile ever made and to be made while doing it for free. Bless you kind sir!


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posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 04:03 PM
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originally posted by: lakenheath24
a reply to: StallionDuck

I like when my 88Tbird Turbo coupe puts a whoopin on these new fangled cars. Computer control has really ambped uup what a 4 pot can crank out.


Hell yeah!

Seen the new Helliphant 426 Crates? 7.0 liters of pure 1000HP bliss!

Anything under 76 and they'll make it for your car for only 20K



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 04:05 PM
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originally posted by: GreenGunther
Dealership tried to screw me once, like pornstar screw.
Checked the owners forum for the best mechanic in my area.

Never looked back, got me a 370z recently, I don’t care if it’s still in service plan.
I will never let a dealership touch my car.


Haha Somewhere, some gay pron producer just saw that response and is now in the works for "Pump the Breaks 2". lol

Bow chika Wow Wow! Pong Chika Pang Bicka Bicka Wang!
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