Russia Ukraine Conflict thread. Russian navy opens fire on Ukrainian vessels. US to Respond......

a reply to: IndyFront

update.

Russia has made public three interrogations of Ukrainian marines taken prisoner during the Kertch incident on 25 November 2018 and a document (photo) seized on board one of the ships.

According to this document and these videos, the incident had been planned by Ukraine collaborating with foreign powers. Two officers from Ukraine’s military intelligence service were on board the ships to coordinate operations. They were the ones that forbade the marines from responding to messages from the Russians when the war ships entered Russian territorial waters, waters that Ukraine was claiming to belong to it.

Our collaborator Valentin Vasilescu thinks that prior to the incident, some US and Israeli electromagnetic reconnaissance planes flew over the area to detect Russian defences [1].

While Israel is still not a member of Nato, it does have a bureau of liaison within Nato headquarters in Brussels. During the coup d’etat in Kiev, in the context of Nato’s stay behind secret service, thirty Israeli officers and thirty one Israeli soldiers participated in the fighting that broke out in Maidan Square… yet they were fighting on the side of the former Nazi party Svoboda.

The operation at Kertch seems to have been sponsored by Nato. Any why? To create a “Russian threat” which would serve to justify Ukraine becoming a member of the Alliance. This operation was supervised by Ambassador Kurt Volker. The CIA recruited him when he was still a student at Georgetown University. After working at the Agency’s headquarters in Langley, he entered the diplomatic service and became “adviser” to Richard Hoolbroke during the wars in Yugoslavia. He became Victoria Nuland’s assistant when she was the ambassador to Nato and following her departure, stepped into this post. Today he is the ambassador to Kiev.

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a reply to: username74

Yeah if you watch the televised statements you can clearly see they are reading from a script.

Several months ago the UK explicitly warned Russia that any attempt at an economic blockade would be responded to. The UK is deploying an additional 500 marines and is deploying naval assets to guarantee Ukraine's access to the Black Sea.

Near the beginning of 2018 Turkey warned Russia that any further aggression against Ukraine would result in Turkey blocking Russia access to the Bosporus / Dardanelles straight.

a reply to: Xcathdra


"Several months ago the UK explicitly warned Russia that any attempt at an economic blockade would be responded to. The UK is deploying an additional 500 marines and is deploying naval assets to guarantee Ukraine's access to the Black Sea."

oh you mean the nations sanctioning russia dont want russia to # with their little fascist junta that they just installed on their border.

"The UK is deploying an additional 500 marines and is deploying naval assets to guarantee Ukraine's access to the Black Sea. "
because the black sea is a real concern for a north atlantic island.
and you mean the sea of azov, not the black sea, i reckon.

"Near the beginning of 2018 Turkey warned Russia that any further aggression against Ukraine would result in Turkey blocking Russia access to the Bosporus / Dardanelles straight."
lol. yeah, of course erogodan would do that.

a reply to: username74

The sanctions are in place because Russia invaded and occupied parts of Ukraine.

Try to keep up.

a reply to: Xcathdra

"The sanctions are in place because Russia invaded and occupied parts of Ukraine."
oh no it didnt.

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if you develop a more nuanced view of geopolitics you wont look like such a retard when you try to patronise people you have never met.
never go full retard dude.

a reply to: Xcathdra

heres a development to start with.

www.zerohedge.com...

so you see, even if you put your country under martial law for no good reason, good old christine will wire you $17.5 billion in aid.

a reply to: username74

and yet it doesnt change the fact the sanctions on Russia are a direct result of Russia's invasion / occupation of Ukrainian soil.

a reply to: Xcathdra

dont read much history do ya?

originally posted by: username74
a reply to: Xcathdra

dont read much history do ya?

You mean where the soviet government transferred Crimea to Ukraine and then codified it in the agreements after the USSR collapsed? The excuse Russia gave to invade and occupy Ukrainian territory which led directly to the sanctions on Russia.

Nope, not at all.

enlighten us.

Also if we use your logic then Russia needs to vacate the Kaliningrad territory immediately and transfer it back to Germany. We can use history as well to support that action but something tells me you cherry pick history.

a reply to: Xcathdra

ahahahahhaha
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You mean where the soviet government transferred Crimea to Ukraine and then codified it in the agreements after the USSR collapsed? The excuse Russia gave to invade and occupy Ukrainian territory which led directly to the sanctions on Russia.
Nope, not at all.
enlighten us. "

us? you schizo?
"In 1783, Crimea became a part of the Russian Empire as the result of the Russo-Turkish War (1768–1774). Following the Russian Revolution of 1917, Crimea became an autonomous republic within the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic in the USSR. "
"According to the 2014 Russian census, 84% of Crimean inhabitants named Russian as their native language; 7.9% – Crimean Tatar; 3.7% – Tatar; and 3.3% – Ukrainian.[citation needed] It was the first official Russian census in Crimea since Ukrainian that held in 2001."

and finally
"
The next day after the referendum, the parliament of Crimea asked the Russian Federation "to admit the Republic of Crimea as a new subject with the status of a republic".[225] Later on the same day, March 17, Putin issued a decree formally recognizing Crimea as an independent state.[226] On March 18, the Russian, Crimean, and Sevastopolian leadership signed the Treaty on Accession of the Republic of Crimea to Russia,[227] which was ratified by the Russian Federal Assembly on March 21.[228] A transition period was in force for integrating Crimean governmental institutions, ending on January 1, 2015.[229]"

enlightened yet?

a reply to: username74

In fact nobody expected USSR to disintegrate so fast. USSR was only one subject of the international law, no matter how many Soviet Socialist Republics were inside (15). So whether Crimea would be inside the Ukrainian SSR or the Russian SFSR it didn't make any difference, it was still inside USSR.
Things changed drastically when Yeltsin and his Ukrainian and Belorussian colleagues decided to dissolve USSR without even telling Gorbachev. The first to be informed for their decision was president Bush (R.I.P.)
And of course, history rolls back to Catherine the Great, as you show the article above. Thanks God, Turkey doesn't pretend for Crimea anymore.

a reply to: 2012newstart

"Thanks God, Turkey doesn't pretend for Crimea anymore."

why bother when you have germany, lol

originally posted by: XcathdraRussia needs to vacate the Kaliningrad territory immediately and transfer it back to Germany. We can use history as well to support that action but something tells me you cherry pick history.

Still ranting on about Moscow giving away its territory to the Germans Xcath Kaliningrad was won fair and square and is a compensation for the loss of 27 million people to the murderous German regime. Crimea is Russian pure and simple and shares nothing with your comparison, it's time to accept that Russia has its sphere of influence and near abroad and the west should accept this and give them some room. Quite simply it's non of our business

a reply to: ufoorbhunter
lol.
go on son. he asked for it.
you'll make your me and your uncle carpy proud

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

as I remember from history, Königsberg was found by the Teutonic knights in 1255. The Polish kings had a lot of trouble with the Teutonic knights, something described very well in the books of Sienkiewicz.

At the end of WW2 Stalin wanted piece of Germany and received it. Notice the territory was divided between USSR and Poland. Of course other border changes occurred, that I do not discuss.

The problem now is, any new war in Europe may become a war between Russia and NATO, that at one point will go nuclear.

a reply to: 2012newstart

nato will be doing nothing without u.s. money, muscle and satellites.
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originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

as I remember from history, Königsberg was found by the Teutonic knights in 1255.

Most of current Poland is actually German lands until living memory. Poles lived in the east back then in modern Ukraine and Belorussia but moved west by Stalin when he took one third of pre war Germany as compensation for their genocide and murdered or expelled the German natives and replaced them with Slavs. The very fact that any German people are alive today is an incredible miracle after what their government perpetrated in the east, a miracle and something where a debt has still not been paid in any way.

Russia has its back yard and the west should accept that it also has its pride too. Al, the west has tp do is let Russia have its influence over the FSU bar the Baltics and western Ukraine and everything will be just fine.

Looks like the US IS planning on a troop contingent in Ukraine but under a classified status recruiting started BEFORE the incident happened i think So that would mean it's planned or the MIC runs stuff and we're just along for the ride:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

No just pointing out the hypocrisy by some on the topic.

originally posted by: TheJesuit
Looks like the US IS planning on a troop contingent in Ukraine but under a classified status recruiting started BEFORE the incident happened i think So that would mean it's planned or the MIC runs stuff and we're just along for the ride:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Maybe however if the Americans are present then they are just on vacation so nothing to worry about.