Paradise Lost - a controlled burn by our dark overlords.

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I've known for a while that there's some heinous dark # being perpetrated against humans by their fellow humans which seems to defy any & all attempts at providing a rational, political, philosophical justification of any sort whatsoever. Not just evil, but abominable evil. Evil so far beyond the pale that a serial killer might even blush. Look at the apparent (unproven, but 'one more coin on the scale') controlled burn of Paradise township in California. The elderley & the disabled were those hemmed in on all sides by mountains as fires were lit around their town, with no means of getting any of them to safety. Same thing seems to have been done at Grenfell Tower in London, UK a year & a half earlier (3 x 6 months almost to the day), in which immigrants & their children seem to have been the worst hit. These, and many, many other evils are being perpetrated because 'they' know, after a successful rollout of 9/11 all those years ago, that we will believe whatever the MSM tell us to believe. And we'll reinforce the 'truth' to each other around the water cooler the next day in the office. These events are occult-inspired, perpetrated by Satanists who are non-partisan, and will work their way in anywhere. The whole issue of Pizzagate was probably a controlled 'leak' to see how well the 'truth' could be corralled into position, where we're all laughing at the idiots who believed any of it could be true. Between dedicated servants of darkness, and mind-controlled slaves, they feel invincible about now. Please read on.

Looking at the issues in the world these days, the longer it goes on, the more I think there's a seriously #ing stone cold brute macchiavellian evil faction of non-human entities actually pulling the levers & unleashing a 'controlled burn' of humanity, masking it with a hundred thousand smaller incidences & convergences & divergences, a maelstrom being whipped up into a perfect storm, over the course of generations, patiently biding their time because they've manipulated us into rebuilding their empire after it was taken from them by force, because of the abuses they were perpetrating. We became literally hostage to the devil. And the question is, are any of those who can see the bigger picture going to start accepting, without falling for the controlled opposition who tout new age nonsense (looking squarely at you, Mr Icke) that we are dealing with non-human intelligences, who thanks to us (thanks to us thanks to them, they would say) - they now have everything they need to control their DNA, and ours, because they preserved their ancient knowledge through the medium of genuinely secret covens & fraternities, which meant they knew - or almost knew - everything they knew before. Or could at least get the jump on us, knowing the truths they did know. By which I mean to say, they intend to extend their lives to immortality, and ours to a cycling rate of planned obsolescence of perhaps thirty years, at which point we'll be thrown from the freedom train, and they presume, reincarnated back into their hyper-efficient dark machine.

Are we ready for that conversation yet? I hope I am.

Just to clarify, I do believe in a loving God; I also believe in a demonic host which has a far greater bead on us than we do on it. And those things have learned how to occupy & control the human organism. And if they get enough control over a bloodline through occult contracts, they can effectively rule the roost without the original human being aware that they are in anything but an awful dream. At which point they can extend their bodily existence for as long as possible, using advanced genetic controls such as intimated previously. Should add that it would appear that the original 'Other' (Anuna Gods), well they lost their rights to bodily abode when they presided as abhorrent tyrants trying to force humans into perpetual subservience after having come to take over this world a very, very long time ago. Whether they were rebels that came from a Watcher race who were our shepherd kin, or from somewhere else (Orion?) as brute invaders to the last, I do not know. I strongly suspect that they were rebels from a Watcher race which was originally from Orion. What is worse, is that it may even be worse than that - but I hope not, and even if it were, that would not destroy my faith, thank God.

Mad rush to avoid people questioning the power structures put into place.

Which is hapening at the speed of the internet now.

Dial-a-chaos, max division tactics.

It's not the devil or aliens.

Paranoid control freaks listening to think tanks and turning on their own people.

I'd like to see some evidence showing a controlled burn, but not the controlled fire break burn chopper one.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

It's just the profit motive and corporate charters.

I get that you hold those opinions, and they are valid to the nth degree, but I sincerely believe there's an extra layer behind what we're witnessing. And I'll just clarify, it's not the devil or aliens, it's devils, once aliens, yet probably also more aliens coming to see what the heck is going on. With a patrol of more aliens (or rather, powers) to keep the 'police line, do not cross' tape firmly in place around the solar system, and to hold the delicately balanced eco-system from tipping into chaos while free will is permited to unfold.. Of course, if your beliefs don't extend to devils or aliens, or a Creator, then at least we can agree on the evil corporate & political/terror philosophy crowd. Those guys are evil as heck too.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Ok, fair enough.

But have you seen anything that would make you think the fire was intentional?

The whole place was covered in dry tinder.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

You have a unique fluidity of thought, especially the serial killer bit. Rather humorous, so thanks for the giggle. You are correct in sensing a hidden layer, but its a layer you likely wouldnt imagine exists. More science fiction than most would believe is possible. To put it short and relatable i will simply point you toward a movie called the village. We are the village, grown to accept that our reality is the most modern. However tech exists outside our sphere that we have no idea of. We just thank we do.

In terms of non entity humans, well...a bit meta magical in thought. In truth these terms of morality do not exist. What you see is beyond good and evil, purely about gaining control. All the ins and outs of attaining that control are very dirty and slick but only serve to justify the means.

These people are not petty, nor do they puff their chests out in some strutting way, though it is intended to look that way. Its just cold as hell strategy.

originally posted by: Mandroid7
a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Ok, fair enough.

But have you seen anything that would make you think the fire was intentional?

The whole place was covered in dry tinder.

I have used used extremely flammable solvents to clean large surfaces and had piles of rages soaked in falmmable liquids. I've never had a problem with fire. The point being just b/c conditions are right for somethign doesn't mean that something will happen.

Also, i've had fires start in very dry materials as well as rags/towels with flammable liquids - they were ablaze and burning hot. Had they bee left to their own nature, they would have burnt themselves out but probably not before spreading, so they were extinguished by smothering (which is actually much more useful than water in many situations!).

We as a species have been co-existing with fire for millenia and it might just be one of the elements which we understand the best (toss up between fire and water). We know how to contain it, prevent it, etc. The fact that it wasn't isn't because of "climate" or other fanciful reasons the media puts forth, it is b/c of lack of human planning, for-thought (in reducing risk) and effort to eradicate it once it started.

a reply to: Jimface369

Interesting thread... and your reply stood out.

I've conjectured the same scenario- i.e. the "gen pop" of Earth (prison term on purpose) being kept in an enforced low tech state for control reasons. I've based the guess mainly on a slowdown of progress in certain areas, trends, along with some seemingly truthful "whistle- blowing," but it is not a certainty in my own mind... at all. Just a very good possibility.

I'm curious how you acquired your seeming certainty?

And although I lean towards the deception and misery being human sourced as we're certainly capable, I do know occult lore holds some shades of truth, too, and so leave that option (including e.t.) open.

Guess I'm always fascinated by belief systems and their architecture.

a reply to: Mandroid7

I read some witness testimony where the lady interviewed had claimed a number of strange events in the days & hours before the fire took over on the Thursday. She claimed that, in addition to insistent & repeated warnings from PG & E on the Mon/Tues/Weds that Thursday was the day they forecast (which I was thinking, fair enough, they were being cautious) on the Tuesday there were several choppers flying whirling sorties over the township, not dropping anything, just flying round & over parts of the town, hovering, moving off, hovering again - that on the Wednesday another chopper came over and dropped a sort of gossamer material, like very slightly sticky snowflakes, very fine in consistency, which seemed to create an almost invisible film over everything it had landed on. She managed to get a photo of a few flecks of it on her sliding glass door just before it became filmic thin & thus de facto invisible. She then states that on the morning of the fire there was smoke rising from a distant ridgeline, which at first she brushed off as too far away. Soon after, she claims to have seen men moving through the brush around the part of the perimeter that her property backed onto, who were dropping fire bundles of either lit tinder or an incendiary, based on her descriptions. She realised they were being set alight & got out of there, but said that there were problems on the way out of town, road/s blocked & ablaze (one way in & out apparently).

I will try to dig out where I saw that & drop a link.

a reply to: Baddogma

Yes, the occult does linger in some fashion. But you must understand its meaning, or its application. Its true purpose acts as "the other option." You can live your life as others do, cherry picking your beliefs and creature comforts, and the sharing of traditions like christmas. Its a join-in on the "normal" grind, the mass majority activities.

The occult option is for exploration, going down paths that most dare not go. You will find all kinds of allegory describing this same thing. You will find words like enlightenment, but these are not to be shrugged off like punch lines in a movie, this enlightment comes at a heavy price. You will find the truth but you will have to burn yourself and everything you hold dear to witness it. Its the ultimate gamble, because you will have to kill your former self and the truth you find may break you. Enlightenment is a very destructive thing, its the crumbling of everything you thought to be true.

My certainty comes from experience. Take it from me - this thing you want, the truth...you dont want. The only way you can take it is to be inhuman in a way. This is why i laughed at flys "make a serial killer blush" comment.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Yeah, that would be sweet. I too have heard rumblings of strange, fast fire behavior and that the fire is located on the proposed train track pathway.

I've already seen the chopper dropping napalm, or whatever. Not sure what to make of that vid, but comments made said it was pre-burn to contain, although it was dropping all over the place.

Who knows, I'd love to see any vids on it though.

Well, that is some dark # there Fly. Dark indeed.

if we stop trying to prove this scenario and just deal with the larger picture of the whole thing you describe, the question arises right off asking like Baddogma asked, how do you come by our certitude. Is this conglomeration of aspects come from your own accumulation of information detris or is it more something that has come to you whole, as in single book or author, or what for that matter.

if we are going to make this a conversation about your OP, then this is how I would begin to respond to your question. Baddogma hit it on the head.

Great OP. You hit the nail on the head in the first paragraph.

The actual war is against the public through trying to change our perception of reality. Every major false flag operation has this idea at it's core - to make us question objective reality and ourselves should we believe otherwise. 9/11 was the big kickoff; 3 skyscrapers fall at near free fall speed. It was airplanes and fires. Arabs and boxcutters. Believe in the laws of physics- you're a conspiracy theorist. Believe certain airplanes cannot safely exceed the maximum airspeed capabilities - you're a conspiracy nut. Say that no steel framed skyscraper ever fell due to fire - youre a wingnut! Even the educational system has gotten in on the scam - the longer you are in school the more likely you are to believe in the patriarchy, white supremacy and the entire litany of anti-Western ideals embedded within communist doctrine.

Was a time 99 % of everyone agreed on what "reality" was. Today you have flat earthers where the very fundamentals of our old reality are challenged. When they can dictate what reality is and force us to accept changes they have absolute control over us. That is the greatest danger of the our age.

a reply to: Jimface369

Yes but would you like to shrink back from the face of Truth over halfway through the transformation, and try to rejoin the world of society as a freakish thing? No, you can only plunge forth deeper.

Edit- Until you breakthrough.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

I suppose really I've been picking up hints & scraps of information over the years which has fed into my own rather weak attempts at a Grand Unified Theory of conspiracy, but in recent years I've been more and more shocked, sickened & deeply perteurbed by the apparent bold nature of the deceptions which we're being expected to swallow as true, all being delivered across the medium of ever-increasingly sophisticated media control. There was I suppose a bit of a golden age where the internet still contained vast troves of information that was unsullied, where if you asked the right questions there was a wealth of data to be found which confirmed or refuted certain aspects of the theory as we each are coming round to understanding the world.

For me, as just one single example, I once found a very specific search term within the ETCSL database of the Sumerian literature which had been discovered and catalogued over the past century or so. This search term was deeply meaningful to me by virtue of a very specific & very high strangeness personal experience which had a very sinister edge to it (still does, as the issue hasn't gone away). I was immensely surprised, and it seemed a real personal vindication, in essence, of some aspects of the theorising I had been doing in my attempts to put some of the puzzle pieces together. I hadn't thought to share it with ATS & only after I later changed my mind & went back to dig out the references, suddenly, it just wasn't there any more.

Now bear in mind that in the entire ETCSL database the exact word had been matched only twice. There are NO synonyms for the word in question. I had left the site & been away from it for maybe 72 hours when I decided that actually, I did want to create a thread to discuss the finding & the context. I went back to the database, entered the word - ZERO results. I checked, rechecked, changed the spelling every which way (even though it was unambiguous & was NOT a weird untranslateable term. It was an abridgement of two English words, in the English translations of some of the occult tablets. But all reference was gone. At least, the translation which had been there was gone, and there was no way on Earth I could remember in which part of the collected works it had been found. My internet history was useless as it was a database which, at that time at least, did not pile the results into backtrackable search history.

That was a single personal event which suggested to me that someone was monitoring that database, and had pretty quickly figured out by reading my machine's contents what it was that the term referred to. So the translation was very slightly adjusted. Nobody would notice other than a ridiculously specialist expert, and nobody would care, frankly. Except me, and quite possibly a few others, had I been able to find the reference & share my thread. I did not complete the thread at the time because I was partly annoyed that it would seem I was making stuff up, but also I was disturbed about the implications. And to be honest, remembering that event, and also some weird things which happened last night after I posted this thread, has made me yet again become perturbed. But I don't think I should describe what I'm referring to on an open board, because there seemed to be an implied threat in something that happened overnight. So I'd rather let the thread evolve or die where it stands without too much more input from me, and that's not necessarily just out of concern for self-interest, and that's all I'll say on the matter.

Thanks everyone for being involved in the brief time I remained here, I will lurk but probably won't be posting any more.

FITO.

NB - Read everything by Dr JP Farrell & Dr P LaViolette, for the two main authors who have most influenced me, in the alternative research community, with notable contributions from the Christopher Knight & Alan Butler books on the Moon/ ancient civilisations, and possibly my favourite single book as an introduction to one subject was The Lost Civilisation of Lemuria by Frank Joseph, though I disagree with his once-held political views (he's a claimed penitent). Dr Rupert Sheldrake & Dr Michael Talbot are excellent scientists whose books should be known by all. Lunar anomalies & megalithic earth structures, ancient legends, spiritual traditions & religious texts got me hooked on the alternative research field & remain my favourite themes. I should also note that everything is framed against a (charismatic) Protestant Christian faith which is largely arising from the Baptist experience, but that I am not a creationist or flat-earther. I have deep reservations about writing anything off as utterly irrelevant crazy talk, however. For example NASA seems to have deliberately fed bad data into the internet to fortify or catalyse the flat earth movement, and the reasons for that are uncertain.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

I would agree with pretty much everything you wrote there, but would add that as per JP Farrell, there have been fascist scientist revolutionaries working 'daily in monstrous areas of physics' since WW2 in order to bring about actual changes to reality itself which is being done for occult purposes. I believe the Mandela Effect is evidence of this, and that the 'universe as energy, as fields, as (strings?) as information' is our hint at why it might, MIGHT, just actually be possible.

Physics for occult, Occult for physics - tomato, tomato..

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Indeed they are...as has been done before.

This one is personal however..meant as a final means to ensnare us with all the blame and pain while they will be free to do as they will.

How easily they forgot some beings they all come from ..whom have been through all of this long ago.

They are on countdown clocks that can easily see the time of angering.

These fools should not anger them to this level...a very terrible mistake.

a reply to: 3n19m470

Its not quite that easy. I would assume that many people are walking around, even nobody average joes, with a piece of information that if solved would open their eyes in a very uncomfortable way. However they dont know they have a highly valuable piece of the puzzle, to them it could be of so little importance that it never registers.

If by chance outside watchers decide to let you in on the hidden, and show you HOW to really look around it is then that you look back throughout your life and suddenly realize " holy #, it was right their the whole time. Right in front of my face." It stagers even the most observational of people of how well it is hidden, its just that you didnt know how or where to look, yes you sensed something but outside of that nothing else occurs.

So this uncovering of truth in all likelyhood is a lifetime slow roll out. Though yes their are some truths you have to keep running into. You stand still for too long in some tunnels that you will lose your mind in, thus burning tread.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

But they are incredibly frail. Weak and insane.
They are broken animals. Those of us with some memory of the past are the last line of defense when our current world is reset.

We beat them before. And yes we did rebuild their world. It will be ours and made right.

We are also not entirely innocent. We empowered them by wanting their power and former worlds glory.

Their DNA is more restricted than ours. I suspect that when altered humans are born or engineered that they will inadvertently trigger our locked inheritance.

We must hold it down.