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Social Justice Demands the Unequal Treatment of Individuals

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posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 10:58 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Remain in the closet?

LGBT are not Federally protected in employment--except Federal jobs. And Trump took that away from transgendered.

Can we now go back to the main discussion?




posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 11:00 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: Annee


We have LGBT & disabled & seniors going back to work, etc.


I just have to ask... why do you put LGBT in with disabled and seniors?

Asking for a woman friend...



People are people. Why are you dividing them?



To be fair , isnt LGBT dividing people by sexual orientation? seems a bit hypocritical?

I mean if people are people, why should they be divided by sex, sexual orientation or age?


Because we have been lumped into the "sexual deviant" box.

So although we are all different people with entirely different things going on, it is a convenient label.

Like "other."



Yep exactly my point my friend.......ugh......it seems all these groups have people speaking out on their behalf when no one asked them to...and they are the most outraged.......

Nothing irrtates me more than when predominantly white people tell me , as a person whose parents literally came off the rez, how I should feel about certain things or how outraged i should be, or how things should offend NA culture......

Just........dont........please dont.......

So .....in short I feel you......lol......

They just cant understad how im so conservative and NA at the same time.......what they fail to actually look into is that MOST of us ARE........

We arent so weak that we need spokes people that dont share our background.......

And I feel the same about so many other causes.......

To me its Racist when some predominately white person tells me whats offensive to my culture, and why its so.....im sorry , I dont know where you learned that I cant speak for myself but they were wrong.......

I guess my point is, a lot of this SJW crap is over stepping its bounds and becoming exactly what they say they are fighting against......a lot like ANTIFA I suppose



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 11:07 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

You gave it a good try!!! Sorry I didn't try harder instead of being such a cynic. That's what ATS has become.... Tribal, fear driven and mean....


You know what.....its ok.......and I totally understand.....im sorry this time around we couldnt have had a more constructive conversation.....



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 11:11 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: highvein
a reply to: olaru12




It's evident what direction this thread is heading.

adios...


There goes your comment about being for more dialog.


this thread isn't about dialog, it's about nitpicking and insults, as your post clearly indicates.




Bill- I think that we should have an open dialog about this.

John- Me too. Polarization is good for magnets and compasses.........not so good for societies.

Bill- It's evident what direction this thread is heading. Adios...

John- I thought you said you wanted to have an open dialog.

Bill- I find your open dialog insulting and nitpicking.

John- And that is why you can't have an open dialog with children.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 11:14 PM
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originally posted by: Asktheanimals
Realize because we have become so isolated as individuals that many will jump at the chance to feel like part of a group, to feel a sense of purpose and belonging. It's a terrible abuse of protective instincts and empathy as well as to feel connected to a wider community.


THIS..........THIS..........I think is what was what was forsaw by those implementing this sort of process, and if not forsight, perhaps engineered in a way.....

This sort of social isolationism in order to create the safe haven of something such as Social justice, and it didnt necessarily have to be that, however I think in this instance it has been.....

It seems that through out history this has been the method in which to create such instances where people feel isolated so much and in turn look to be part of something greater.......

There are many many points through out mankind this has been engineered as such and exploited.....

Now keep in mind im not saying people who hold these beliefs are evil or bad people, but I do see correlations in other past circumstances.......

It is human nature to want to be part of a group, a collective of like minded people, we are social creatures, and that is exploited to the full extent by the more influential all the time......



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 11:15 PM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Great post

It’s injustice dressed as justice. As you mention, the unequal, unfair treatment of individuals is the opposite of justice.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 11:18 PM
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originally posted by: Asktheanimals
Brilliant defense of equal under the law and equal treatment by government. To address inequality by forcing one segment to pay to advance another segment requires unequal application of the law. It is the virus that once in the system allows for continuous degradation to advance "social justice".

It is immoral, unethical and requires use of force to achieve it's goals.
Some call it unconstitutional others call it just plain evil.
Mostly it's called Socialism.


Ahh , im glad more people are understanding it............I hesitated in posting this because I really didnt want it to devolve into nastiness, but to really be thought provoking and kind of an open ended conversation of sorts .......

I tried I suppose......

Still, I think its all worth a listen, and maybe in the future we can come back to this thread and go over his "premonition" even further into the future......

Thanks for stopping in sir..........



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 11:22 PM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask


To me it just seems like some people just like to tell other people how they should think.
And don't get me wrong, I am always open to a good conversation that could possibly change my perspective on issues, but when it comes to making rules that make it disadvantagous to anyone, that is not justice of any kind.

It actually takes away from one's own Life, Liberty, and persuit of Happiness.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 11:27 PM
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originally posted by: Propagandalf
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Great post

It’s injustice dressed as justice. As you mention, the unequal, unfair treatment of individuals is the opposite of justice.


Indeed sir........

And barring our constitution and bill of rights that says every man due his inalienable rights.....to a man (woman whatever), how, possibly could a group, that is filled with perhaps one cause, but different people and personas , possibly be seen as preferential?

Does one want special treatment for your cause, or do you want equality? Equality doesnt come for a GROUP it comes down to a PERSON.......

Preference for a GROUP means another group or sub group is lesser.....thats not how this country was suppose to be......

If one were to look at the bill of rights and the constitution it illustrates that, thats why it illuminates the singular.....because we are all different......but equal.....

Bah.....or im just a fool rambling again.....anyway thanks for participating in my failed thread lol........



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 11:38 PM
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To me it just seems like some people just like to tell other people how they should think.


No youre right, and it has come from both sides of the isle, ive experienced myself this last election....i hated Hillary and Didnt like Trump.....I was the no mans land in the trenches that was bombed to kingdom come lol........

My point is , we all do it, I have done it myself on occasion......we want so bad for people to understand where we are coming from that we get frustrated that they dont.....then we think they are stupid.....Honestly thats it lol......in reality they arent......they , just dont have the same values we do , and i dont mean that negative, it just means they come ina different order.....




but when it comes to making rules that make it disadvantagous to anyone, that is not justice of any kind.


Im totally with you on that.......I think the disconnect comes because they REALLY REALLY think that its doing good for those they are championing and they dont think that its a disadvantage to those that are on the other side......

People get blind to their own arguments and who they champion......we do it too as conservatives......I know I have.....

I think what we need to get back to with each other is this......

Conservatives VS Liberals.....

We both want to be recognized

We both want equality

We both want justice

We both want more freedom

We both want freedom to operate as we please

If possible we both would love as little gov in our lives as we can get

We both want to be safe and the ability to be safe

We both want to be able to work and earn a decent wage

We want our autonomy.........


I challenge any liberal person to tell me we dont hold that in common......because thats our basis yall......and thats me, dickhead MBTM Who fought against Trump nominations and grinds on you on Trump threads when you think I love him....

This is us......were not that different.......we just gotta find our way back to center together........thats it........



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 11:48 PM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask




No youre right, and it has come from both sides of the isle, ive experienced myself this last election....i hated Hillary and Didnt like Trump.....I was the no mans land in the trenches that was bombed to kingdom come lol........



I didn't like Trump before he became a politician. I didn't like Hilary. When I seen that the entire establishment was against him, I thought this is the guy we need in office for some real change in this country.





My point is , we all do it, I have done it myself on occasion......we want so bad for people to understand where we are coming from that we get frustrated that they dont.....then we think they are stupid.....Honestly thats it lol......in reality they arent......they , just dont have the same values we do , and i dont mean that negative, it just means they come ina different order.....


I agree. We all do it, and it does get aggrevating.





This is us......were not that different.......we just gotta find our way back to center together........thats it........



That would be the ideal situation. I don't know if we are past the point of no return, but I do know that if we are not, we are getting closer every day.



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 05:32 AM
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originally posted by: highvein
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask


To me it just seems like some people just like to tell other people how they should think.
And don't get me wrong, I am always open to a good conversation that could possibly change my perspective on issues, but when it comes to making rules that make it disadvantagous to anyone, that is not justice of any kind.

It actually takes away from one's own Life, Liberty, and persuit of Happiness.


theres definitely a fine line between telling someone what you think they should believe and sharing ideas......intent is everything I think.....and delivery.......which honsestly I lack many times



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 07:43 AM
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a reply to: Annee

Be like everyone else.

It's not important to your job. You don't need to bring it up. If I don't talk about my domestic life at work, am I "in the closet"? Am I being oppressed because I don't spend my time talking about the domestic bliss of being married with a kid? Good grief, the young woman in the desk space next to mine used to drive me nuts because she'd yammer on forever about her kid and her husband in an obnoxious monotone.

"Oh, it was so cute because he ate French fries! ..."

Truth is that if you spend more time talking about your life then working, you are risking being fired for being unproductive no matter what that life is. And if the lesbian this young woman both wasted so much time on their respective domestic lives that they got fired, only the lesbian could try to sue the company for firing her for being lesbian. How is that fair?
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posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 09:42 AM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

A voice of privilege speaking out against those who are not.

Shocking!!

The fact is that Wealthy Classical Liberals such as F.A. Hayek see great benefit from ignoring the circumstances of “lesser advantaged” people and ANYTHING with the word-stem “social” is automatically suspect if not evil, unless applied to afternoon cocktails or lunch at the club.

So then, since the term “social justice” is met with scorn and derision by those who have never been on the receiving end of socially-engineered injustice, perhaps following their interpretation of the term should be considered suspect and ill-informed.

Perhaps a new language would be helpful?

Perhaps what is sought is social and economic freedom?

“Social and Economic Freedom: Freedom from the oppression of those who place structural obstacles against the upward mobility and success of the dreaded ‘lower classes’ due to the desire to keep their own elite status and fulfill their belief that they have such status due only to their own merit and the upstanding nature of their forefathers and mothers, that wealth is meant for those with the superior knowledge and ability to manage it properly and that such knowledge is not publically taught so that it remains for the deserving, that their wealth is not an accident of birth or circumstance but rather an inherent and Godly extension of personal superiority and worth, and if only the ‘lower classes’ possessed such extraordinary qualities as they themselves most obviously do, and did not waste the crumbs of opportunity dropped into their midst (the ungrateful little monsters), they would not be ‘lower class.’”

In simpler language, “social justice” equals freedom from the injustices and prejudices of a societal class structure designed to keep elites elite and everyone else fighting over the scraps. It is as it has always been. That the elites scorn those who wish to break into their layer of society from beneath should not come as a surprise.

Freedom to pursue “life, liberty and happiness,” without the constraints and chains of a structurally and socially reinforced economic and power injustice? Perhaps my language isn’t the best or only way to describe what is being railed against and mocked by Buckley and Hayek. But one cannot read them without understanding that they represent the structurally-benefitted elites, and are ignorant of the experiences of the unwashed masses. The lie of the American Dream is that we just have to work hard enough and plan well enough and *boom* we too will be the elite. It is the carrot held out to the indentured servant...


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posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 10:06 AM
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Realize because we have become so isolated as individuals that many will jump at the chance to feel like part of a group, to feel a sense of purpose and belonging. It's a terrible abuse of protective instincts and empathy as well as to feel connected to a wider community.


I see comments like this a lot, and to be honest I do not understand the sentiment. Even while in the Military while I had a purpose I didn't feel like I needed to follow the herd beyond what my job required.
If you feel your life doesn't have purpose why not take steps to change your life... stop being a cubicle warrior, join the military, become a cop, become a firefighter, or paramedic or run for office to try and enact the change you think is needed.

Find that purpose in your life and make a difference, SJW, Identity politics is not going to make a lasting change in anyone's life.

Every time I see some white actor or actress berate innocent people because they feel their are not enough people of color on the interview crew (or something along those lines) my first thought is thank god a white person is there to speak for these people /end sarcasm.

If I am asked for help I will give it if I am able without judgment, if I cant help I will try to find someone that can, but don't expect me to drop to my knees and beg forgiveness for being born white that is not going to happen.



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 10:45 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: highvein
a reply to: olaru12





It's evident what direction this thread is heading.

adios...


There goes your comment about being for more dialog.

this thread isn't about dialog, it's about nitpicking and insults, as your post clearly indicates.



Yet you were talking to me, and I never insulted you, and neither did that poster......

How do you feel this poster insulted you?


Be honest...this thread is about ragging on anyone not conservative and a trump supporter. Not dialog! It's your established pattern.



You can lie to others all you like, but when you look into the mirror, you can't lie to that guy. At some point, you have to realize that you just aren't up to the challenge of debating intelligently. Perhaps with time and education, you can find a way to articulate ideas to others in a meaningful way. Till then, perhaps reading more, and typing less is the correct path?



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 11:08 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Annee

Be like everyone else.

It's not important to your job. You don't need to bring it up. If I don't talk about my domestic life at work, am I "in the closet"? Am I being oppressed because I don't spend my time talking about the domestic bliss of being married with a kid? Good grief, the young woman in the desk space next to mine used to drive me nuts because she'd yammer on forever about her kid and her husband in an obnoxious monotone.

"Oh, it was so cute because he ate French fries! ..."

Truth is that if you spend more time talking about your life then working, you are risking being fired for being unproductive no matter what that life is. And if the lesbian this young woman both wasted so much time on their respective domestic lives that they got fired, only the lesbian could try to sue the company for firing her for being lesbian. How is that fair?


I'm done with this. It's really not the main discussion.

All you're doing is making excuses.



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 11:42 AM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Annee

Be like everyone else.

It's not important to your job. You don't need to bring it up. If I don't talk about my domestic life at work, am I "in the closet"? Am I being oppressed because I don't spend my time talking about the domestic bliss of being married with a kid? Good grief, the young woman in the desk space next to mine used to drive me nuts because she'd yammer on forever about her kid and her husband in an obnoxious monotone.

"Oh, it was so cute because he ate French fries! ..."

Truth is that if you spend more time talking about your life then working, you are risking being fired for being unproductive no matter what that life is. And if the lesbian this young woman both wasted so much time on their respective domestic lives that they got fired, only the lesbian could try to sue the company for firing her for being lesbian. How is that fair?


I'm done with this. It's really not the main discussion.

All you're doing is making excuses.




The irony.

🤣🙄😂



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 11:52 AM
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a reply to: AboveBoard

I think you didn't understand the point of the article at all. It's about how the social justice movement isn't justice at all, but inequality. it's about making a group different, in order to offer them some equality they may or may not want.

The "social" aspect has nothing to do with socialism in this context. But I suppose when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 12:17 PM
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originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Annee

Be like everyone else.

It's not important to your job. You don't need to bring it up. If I don't talk about my domestic life at work, am I "in the closet"? Am I being oppressed because I don't spend my time talking about the domestic bliss of being married with a kid? Good grief, the young woman in the desk space next to mine used to drive me nuts because she'd yammer on forever about her kid and her husband in an obnoxious monotone.

"Oh, it was so cute because he ate French fries! ..."

Truth is that if you spend more time talking about your life then working, you are risking being fired for being unproductive no matter what that life is. And if the lesbian this young woman both wasted so much time on their respective domestic lives that they got fired, only the lesbian could try to sue the company for firing her for being lesbian. How is that fair?


I'm done with this. It's really not the main discussion.

All you're doing is making excuses.




The irony.

🤣🙄😂


I suppose you followed this particular vein in the discussion.

From one rather insignificant mention in a post -- it triggered a poster -- then took a side road.

I'm putting myself back on the main road.




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