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Social Justice Demands the Unequal Treatment of Individuals

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posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 07:02 PM
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a reply to: olaru12



Your link said it was supposedly from the KKK.

But you think it actually is.




posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 07:03 PM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask




Polarization is good for magnets and compasses.........not so good for societies


It's evident what direction this thread is heading.

adios...



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 07:04 PM
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I think this is a good and accurate article.

I agree people are not equal.

Equal Rights is about being treated equally.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 07:05 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Who do you think is more destructive? A tiny group of people involved in hate groups who are nearly universally shunned from society, or an institution like Harvard where the elite have declared some races superior to others and can't make it on their own without the elites help?



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 07:11 PM
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a reply to: Annee

The problem is that too many people look at outcomes and based on that surface evidence alone declare that obviously if no one arrives at the same outcome, then they could not have been treated equally with no more evidence of that.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 07:12 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: TheOnlyAnswer
"social" justice forces one to stop seeing the individual and, instead, replaces with membership in whatever social/racial/economic/sexual group seems appropriate at that given moment.

It's cheap justice. Second rate justice. No justice at all.

The funny thing, though, is that the logical end point of dividing humans in to their respective groups ends up right back at the individual.


Sounds a lot like segregation doesnt it? Backwards we go?


What do you suggest we do with the libtards?


Ummmm. . . .

Equal treatment under the law.


Some here on ATS are calling for a purge and stocking up on ammo... Sounds reasonable...


Are you advocating for that?


Not me, I'm all for more dialog as well but these guys have other ideas.

newsone.com...


I hardly think two extremist groups should be a barometer of anything to be honest.......

However your question was to ME , as far as what I think........so why was your response with something about the KKK?

Do you automatically equate the fact that im conservative, or anything about my OP with the KKK? Because im not seeing the connection here.......

Those seem to me to be some pretty large leaps......so help me understand where you go from my OP and my calls for conversation to two extreme groups



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 07:14 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
Social Justice as it is described in your OP is plain evil. While everyone deserves equal opportunity we cannot be in the business of guaranteeing equal outcomes regardless of where someone starts.

Free men are not equal and equal men are not free.



I understand where youre coming from.......

I think though more to the point of what this man was trying to say , is that equality to each MAN as a person is fair, but trying to group everyone into separate subgroups and claim equality as a GROUP , creates inequality because by its very nature, it means treating other individuals and groups as unequal........

I know that sounds contrived but I feel he explained it way better than my small mind can even pretend to explain



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 07:17 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko


Jonathan Haidt gets it and has a nifty little graphic to show how it works out too.


IMO the best case for sexism equality is Ben Barres (scientist/neurobiologist) and how he was treated differently as a male then when he was female. He was transgender (please don't make this about transgender). But, he was in a unique position to actually experience the sexism. So much so, that after he transitioned, he made his platform about inequality treatment of women in science (not about transitioning).

en.m.wikipedia.org...



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 07:23 PM
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And I believe he addresses in his talk that there are cases of sexism, but that just because there are some cases, does not mean that the larger trend means every numerical disparity you see is due solely to sexism too.

Correlation does not equal causation, nor do anecdotal experiences prove the concept of correlation equaling causation.

There is reason why the graphic shows the circle moving to merely straddle the larger circle, half in, half out. There is also lots of data showing plenty of women moving into the sciences ... just not the heavy technical fields, rather women prefer to work with living things, so they choose medical fields and life sciences over engineering and computer science.

And as a whole, women earn the majority of degrees, even advanced degrees.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 07:24 PM
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It's evident what direction this thread is heading.

adios...


There goes your comment about being for more dialog.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 07:25 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Annee

The problem is that too many people look at outcomes and based on that surface evidence alone declare that obviously if no one arrives at the same outcome, then they could not have been treated equally with no more evidence of that.


That, is of course, unfortunate.

I would consider myself a SJW. Because I've witnessed a lot in 72 years -- kindness/equal treatment work and I do not support the old ways of survival of the fittest in general UNTIL levels are reached where the divide becomes too great with lack of ability, education, natural talent, and just plain intelligence and ability.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 07:28 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I am a logical realist.

There's general and then there is specific.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 07:29 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555




If a person accepts that some races or cultures must receive special treatment to be socially equal, it seems to me that is definitive racism.


Thank you thank you thank you.....

I have often thought this same thing.....

I understand that back in the days of slavery this may have been needed.....but now in the modern age this seems more of a tool to silence people, and groups than anything else.

For the same reason I think the "Black Caucaus" should be done away with.......

How are we suppose to become a nation that is color blind if we CONTINUALLY institutionalize race and sexuality?

This does nothing to further equality and further promotes the segregation of people and ideas based on color , sexuality, etc.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 07:44 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask




Polarization is good for magnets and compasses.........not so good for societies


It's evident what direction this thread is heading.

adios...


............wait what? So because I advocate that people shouldnt be so polarized and be open to dialog and exchange of ideas, you take that as a bad thing????

Well, if you feel my response was not measured and fair, then , I guess it doesnt leave room for discussion, but thats not on my end, thats from your end......sorry you feel that way

wow
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posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 07:49 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Annee

The problem is that too many people look at outcomes and based on that surface evidence alone declare that obviously if no one arrives at the same outcome, then they could not have been treated equally with no more evidence of that.


That, is of course, unfortunate.

I would consider myself a SJW. Because I've witnessed a lot in 72 years -- kindness/equal treatment work and I do not support the old ways of survival of the fittest in general UNTIL levels are reached where the divide becomes too great with lack of ability, education, natural talent, and just plain intelligence and ability.


However dont you think that the inability or the unwillingness to find common ground , and THEN discuss how to get there furthers that divide?

Are you saying the less educated cannot find common ground with the more educated? Isnt that discriminatory in itself?

I thought part of the SJW direction was to advocate for those same people youre saying you cant find common ground with?



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 07:53 PM
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a reply to: Annee

And why should Asians who worked hard for their grades and test scores have those grades and scores count for less simply because they are Asian?



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 08:00 PM
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originally posted by: highvein
a reply to: olaru12




It's evident what direction this thread is heading.

adios...


There goes your comment about being for more dialog.


this thread isn't about dialog, it's about nitpicking and insults, as your post clearly indicates.


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posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 08:00 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Annee

And why should Asians who worked hard for their grades and test scores have those grades and scores count for less simply because they are Asian?


It makes one wonder though, is that not what socialism also advocates....?

All must be brought to be equal so that no one is unequal?

Therefore by SJ terms........the Asians scores must be brought to the level , regardless of intellect or talent, so that it makes it equal for everyone to enter?

This seems like a glaring mirror of how the SJW movement, mirrors that of Socialist idealism......

Again im not trying to be inflammatory im just looking at the similarities in the thought process here



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 08:00 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: highvein
a reply to: olaru12





It's evident what direction this thread is heading.

adios...


There goes your comment about being for more dialog.

this thread isn't about dialog, it's about nitpicking and insults, as your post clearly indicates.



Yet you were talking to me, and I never insulted you, and neither did that poster......

How do you feel this poster insulted you?
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posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 08:03 PM
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Actually saying it's an issue of intellect or talent would be a racist thought. Are black people inherently stupid? Are they lacking in talent?

It's an issue of hard work. It would be like saying yeah you worked 40 hours, and they worked 20 hours, but we don't like you got paid more so we are paying you all for 20 hours.



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