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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez makes a fool of herself yet AGAIN with tweet on single-payer

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posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 11:24 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

I get that you enjoy your National Health System.


Understood.

But we, in America, have a different view to healthcare.


It is not a right, granted by government, but a purchased service. Now government, our government, Is inept and corrupt.


So if we placed healthcare into the hands of our government, then we would have an inept and corrupt healthcare system.



I just want to point out, what you said is not true. "We, in America" don't have a different view on healthcare. A certain percentage of people in America do, a certain percentage of people in America agree completely with Cornish Celt Guy.

You, and your opinion, don't speak for everyone in this country. Technically, your opinion doesn't even cover half of the country, as some recent polls show support for single payer at 70%, and most polls show support at over 50%.

So, with all due respect, I completely disagree with your opinion, and so do a lot (probably the majority) of people in America. You're free to have your opinion, just don't tout it as the opinion of everyone.

ETA: We already have an incredibly inept, corrupt healthcare system.
edit on 26-11-2018 by narrator because: eta




posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 11:28 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I am not a fan of hers but I also am not a fan of memes that fall short. It's pretty obvious what she meant there. If something is more affordable..IF it is... Then the money is already there to pay for it. So i, like her would be confused by that question. It's like saying:
"I know a way we can spend 20 bucks at Wal-Mart instead of the 40 bucks we were already gonna spend with these coupons here"
"Yea but how are you gonna pay for it?"
"What do you mean? I'm gonna use one of these two 20 dollar bills. I'll just pay for it."

Memes are supposed to be witty and make a good point that a collective agrees on. I know they are thought of as kind of silly but I take it kinda serious when a thought is being spread and supposed to be agreed on that actually just makes the people who go along with it look dumb.



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 12:02 PM
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LOL Liberals are crazy. Canadian Free Healthcare isnt free at all, only in some areas it is.
-MRI scanning, Free etc
-Xray scanning free etc
-Dentistry and medicine not for free for sure lol



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: underwerks




We’re talking about people who get worked up when this woman takes off her shoes. The people who get off on triggering people have now become the triggerables. My support for this woman grows with every idiot on ATS that tries to call her out. And if you pay attention, it’s never over anything credible or even half-way important. Every time it’s a lame accusation with an even lamer reason behind it. Sit back, and enjoy watching these idiots implode right in front of everyone. The best part is that deep down inside, they see it too.

oh so now you understand why trump got as many votes as he did?



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 07:37 PM
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Why are heart transplants expensive? Is it the rarity of the resource at hand? The skill set required to perform the procedure? The required constant maintaince post procedure?

Perhaps the resource at hand being limited, should go to a candidate who has the best chance of survival post procedure?

Or Perhaps we should all have access to all the best things in life, the best medical care, luxury living choices abound and why should we be forced to PAY for it?
Just get ready for a watering down of what the best is, if it gets spread amongst the lot of us.

Sookiechacha



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 10:40 AM
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Ocasio-Cortez is spot on that America can have universal single-payer healthcare and that we just need to pay for it. Her point is that we have plenty of money to fund constant war, wall street bailouts, tax breaks for the wealthy, etc., so we obviously can afford a similar healthcare plan that every other industrialized nation has. Come to think of it, we pay for all that anyhow. Every time an uninsured person receives healthcare (usually at an emergency room), it's on your dime and mine.



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 06:25 PM
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a reply to: Aallanon

I hope that the universe decides to right this serious mistake by the electorate of her district.

I'm fine with either her accidentally electrocuting herself to death with her hair dryer or her district being infected with dysentery for this electing this mockery of a human.



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 06:40 PM
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Ocasio-Cortez hasn't even been sworn in yet and the Republican Party is already turning the big guns and entire divisions of dittoheads on her.

Conclusion: she scares the living sh*t out of them.



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 11:04 PM
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a reply to: narrator

Hell, even Trump has pondered Single Payer



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 11:07 PM
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a reply to: SpartanStoic




I'm fine with either her accidentally electrocuting herself to death with her hair dryer or her district being infected with dysentery for this electing this mockery of a human

"Mockery of a human being"..you say?



posted on Nov, 27 2018 @ 11:41 PM
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originally posted by: AtlasHawk
LOL Liberals are crazy. Canadian Free Healthcare isnt free at all, only in some areas it is.
-MRI scanning, Free etc
-Xray scanning free etc
-Dentistry and medicine not for free for sure lol


Visits to hospital, doctor visits, any surgery..are covered. If a person is below an income threshold, their medicine is usually covered + we pay less for our medicine.
Dental, you are pretty on your own, many employers offer some coverage.

Don't get me wrong, it's not perfect, and there can be waits..emerg situations/surgeries are dealt with quickly though.
What is problematic are people waiting for things like knee surgery.



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 09:13 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

an inspired post, too bad that means nothing in regards to single payer. The US pays more of its GDP to healthcare than countries that have single payer. WE PAY MORE FOR LESS. I'm failing to see anyone's substantive argument regarding this. You can talk about broader philosophical points all you want, how does it relate to this issue?



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: WhateverYouSay

Why?

Why do we pay more of our GDP for healthcare than socialized nations? Have you ever thought to ask that simple question: why?

Answer: other countries don't have everyone with health insurance. They give them health care instead of health insurance. That was where Obamacare went wrong: it wasn't a health care bill; it was a health insurance bill! All it did was enrich the richest corporations in the world by giving them a guaranteed customer base, and of course they raised their prices!

And to make it all worse, the same people who think now that the government can do no wrong and corporations are inherently evil, well, they cheered when the government took their money and gave it to the corporations that they claim to hate. Cheered! And then, when Trump turned off the spigot to those insurance corporations by nixing the individual mandate, suddenly he's the evil one... for attacking the evil corporations!

Now I am hearing about single-payer... from those same people. I'm sorry; I don't trust anyone who cheered for Obamacare as far as I can throw them when it comes to this issue. We need sanity in this country before we even start talking about health care again.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 28 2018 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: vonclod

I'm self employed and was out of work for a few weeks due to a condition so had my teeth done, two implants and a crown, cost me nothing aside from the taxes I've paid previously.
I'm working and paying taxes again with a full smile.



posted on Nov, 29 2018 @ 09:59 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: ketsuko

When I had my stent put in, the followup medication is a powerful blood thinner. It is absolutely essential to keep the patient from having potentially fatal heart attacks. I had no insurance and could not afford the medication. So I told my cardiologist the situation and he sampled me enough blood thinner to keep me on track with medication until the danger had passed.

This was during the height of Obamacare, when I couldn't' find a full-time job to offer insurance, couldn't afford insurance, got no help from the government, and couldn't afford the medication. That's what these leftist fools did to my healthcare. Now they want to do worse, and they have the gall to try and use their own failures as examples of why they need to do worse!

TheRedneck


While not as bad as your situation...thanks to Obamacare I went from paying $10 to go to the doctor with no insurance. To paying $60 because I now had insurance (which was mandated that I have it, Obama can f**k right off on his tax loophole), and on top of this I was paying a few hundred dollars a month to pay more money when I went to the doctor. The insurance covered nothing. All it did was cost me more money (that I did not have at the time), so to any one who thinks Obamacare was a good thing, sure if you were dirt poor or well off it was fine, but if you were in the middle...well you were screwed. Luckily I now have coverage through work to the tune of over $1k a month, but I now pay nothing over $10 to see a doc or specialist. It's nice having insurance that actually covers things now.

My son had to go to the emergency room when he tripped and hit his head, and had to get staples to close the wound. Had I been on my Obama insurance...it would have cost me like $2k out of pocket...with my private insurance, $150. Healthcare is still skewed to the poor and well off (thankfully I find myself in the latter category now), if you are middle class you front the bill for the poor and get nothing in return, this is what pisses people off. You can only take so much from people that are struggling, and that is when compassion dies. Why should I care about the dude who can't afford insurance, why am I forced to pay for him, and mine, when I don't have the money for mine, it breeds resentment.

People who were born or were otherwise injured in some way that prevents them from working sure, they should be taken care of, but people who made poor choices in life...why should anyone else be forced to pay for their mistakes? Take this heart thing for example, if this lady lived in a manner that contributed to her needing a new heart and she can't afford it, why should I pay for her poor lifestyle choices?

Now that I think of it this GoFundMe plan is perfect, stop taking my money, then all you bleeding heart liberals can dig into your pockets and fund people directly, who potentially lived their life in a way that lead them to a big health issue. The problem with this country (mostly the left) is no one wants to take personal responsibility. It's never the individual's fault.
edit on 29-11-2018 by uninspired because: Corrections...duh



posted on Nov, 29 2018 @ 10:33 AM
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a reply to: uninspired

I can't go along with not providing help to those who need it. I know donated organs are hard to come by, but their disposition should be to who has the best chance for survival, not who had the healthiest lifestyle. Also, medical science does not have all the answers on why a lifestyle is 'bad.'

Use me for an example: I have smoked for almost 50 years. I still smoke. But it wasn't smoking that caused my problem.. it was cholesterol. When all this started, my triglycerides were well over 500. I clogged the pipes, to put it simply. Looking at me, you would never believe I have high cholesterol. I stand 6'-2" and my normal weight is 170... I have never topped the 200 pound mark. Yet, I have a cholesterol problem. I have been told by a cardiologist that, while he begged me to stop smoking, smoking was not the cause and had caused me no problems thus far. Heck, I still have pretty impressive lung capacity as well.

In other words, that terrible life choice was not an issue for me, but something invisible was.

Plus, what you are describing is the exact reason I am cautious about socialized health insurance: the infamous "death panel." Who decides who lives and who dies? The only possible answer is the government, and we all know how corrupt they can be. If we start choosing who gets health care on a lifestyle basis, we open the door for tyranny... at some point, the vote one casts will become one of those lifestyle choices.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 29 2018 @ 10:39 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: uninspired

I can't go along with not providing help to those who need it. I know donated organs are hard to come by, but their disposition should be to who has the best chance for survival, not who had the healthiest lifestyle. Also, medical science does not have all the answers on why a lifestyle is 'bad.'

Use me for an example: I have smoked for almost 50 years. I still smoke. But it wasn't smoking that caused my problem.. it was cholesterol. When all this started, my triglycerides were well over 500. I clogged the pipes, to put it simply. Looking at me, you would never believe I have high cholesterol. I stand 6'-2" and my normal weight is 170... I have never topped the 200 pound mark. Yet, I have a cholesterol problem. I have been told by a cardiologist that, while he begged me to stop smoking, smoking was not the cause and had caused me no problems thus far. Heck, I still have pretty impressive lung capacity as well.

In other words, that terrible life choice was not an issue for me, but something invisible was.

Plus, what you are describing is the exact reason I am cautious about socialized health insurance: the infamous "death panel." Who decides who lives and who dies? The only possible answer is the government, and we all know how corrupt they can be. If we start choosing who gets health care on a lifestyle basis, we open the door for tyranny... at some point, the vote one casts will become one of those lifestyle choices.

TheRedneck


Yes...but lets say you smoked for 50 years and got lung cancer....why should I pay for your bad decision? I'm not saying it's black and white, but it is grey for sure, and somewhere in there personal responsibility needs to play a role. Imagine if you didn't smoke and saved that money for 50 years...you could pay your own way, again why should I pay for your bad decisions in life?



posted on Nov, 29 2018 @ 11:09 AM
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a reply to: Aallanon

I'm failing to see what the idiocy or irony in all this is........

How is Medicaire for all just as bad or worse than a GoFundMe healthcare plan?



posted on Nov, 29 2018 @ 11:12 AM
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a reply to: uninspired

I'm not the one asking you to.

I paid for health insurance for decades... I needed it when I was unemployed (thanks to the same idiots that gave us Obamacare). Had I kept that money and put it in a portfolio, I would have had plenty to cover my expenses. Why should I pay for some rich fat-cat insurance executive to drive around in a new Lamborghini instead of my own needs?

Answer: because the fools in charge of our government have convinced us to fight about who gets health care and forget about who is actually responsible for the problem.

TheRedneck



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