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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez makes a fool of herself yet AGAIN with tweet on single-payer

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posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 06:20 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck




You put the words in your own mouth, and I certainly do not appreciate the fact that you support hurting others by making it impossible for them to get healthcare.


Stop lying. I've made no such comment.



Yet you seem to think the responsible thing to do is to just make another unworkable program to fix something you know nothing about.


What unworkable program is that? Single payer? I've already provided several links that provide conservative studies that say that single payer, Medicarae for All would save tax payers trillions of dollars.



That's the same thing that was said about the ACA...


The ACA was modeled around Mitt Romney's and the Heritage Foundation's model.



Shameful. Disgraceful. Pitiful.


I agree. America's current health care system is shameful, disgraceful, pitiful and Americans should be ashamed to defend a system that values profits over lives.




posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 06:37 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha


I agree. America's current health care system is shameful, disgraceful, pitiful and Americans should be ashamed to defend a system that values profits over lives.

And exactly how is this "single-payer" thing different?

If you want to provide unlimited healthcare for all, you're going to have to pay for it. If you want to keep adding to that cost by stuffing the pockets of those who do nothing to help, you're going to make it cost more.

I don't want your insurance. I don't want your government takeover. No insurance salesman or agent or bureaucrat has ever helped treat anyone, much less cured anyone. I want healthcare for all.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 06:58 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck




And exactly how is this "single-payer" thing different?


Really? For one thing, with the ACA, insurance is mostly employer provided, putting responsibility on employers to find group deals with insurance carriers, who then pay doctors rates the insurance carriers decide. With single payer, there is no insurance company setting policy and doctor rates, and health care coverage wouldn't be tied to employment.



If you want to provide unlimited healthcare for all, you're going to have to pay for it.


Nobody is suggesting "unlimited" insurance. You want cosmetic surgery or rejuvenation therapy, pay for it yourself. But health care decisions should be determined by doctors and their patients, not by insurance companies that know nothing and care not, about patient needs.



I want healthcare for all.


What's your proposal?
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posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 07:12 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

No, the government simply plays the same role with all of the same cost/benefit pressures of any insurance company. Except they then become a monopoly no one can escape, so they don't actually have any incentive to provide a service of quality that is acceptable.
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posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 07:12 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko


Just think ... she used to be a business owner. No wonder she's bitter about capitalism.

A business owner? In your picture there, she's the spitting image of the maid we hired when we had kids in the house. That was thirty-some years back, but the resemblance is just uncanny.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 07:14 PM
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a reply to: Deplorable

Yeah, believe it or not I read somewhere that she was a small business owner before that venture failed.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 08:03 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Arnie123

Is there a difference between "single-payer" and "single-prayer"?

TheRedneck


There is no difference if you are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. She also seems to think that money grows in "socialist trees..."



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 08:11 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

It's crazy how the ACA was so good for so many yet so bad for so many others.
It was a true god send for me and mine but you and yours got screwed.




For me the biggest issue of our day is healthcare reform.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 08:17 PM
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a reply to: scraedtosleep

Generally, if you got heavy subsidy to help with it, it was good enough. We got very lucky. Husband's company decided to keep his health care in the end, but there was a nervous debate about it every year, so we always were busy with our research and options. We got so lucky, but those were so very stressful months.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 08:17 PM
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originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: ketsuko

It's crazy how the ACA was so good for so many yet so bad for so many others.
It was a true god send for me and mine but you and yours got screwed.

For me the biggest issue of our day is healthcare reform.


ACA not only screwed most people who are/were part of the middle class. Back around August 2016, I had to take my mother to the clinic, and heard how an old lady who only was getting paid around $500 U.S.D. by social security somehow didn't get approved for ACA, and her son had to pay her medical bills. The receptionist in the clinic stated how she couldn't believe it was happening to this old lady, and she wasn't/isn't alone.


edit on 25-11-2018 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 08:18 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck




No, it was a doctor who did that. All ACA did was make it more expensive. Maybe not on you, but overall.


No, The ACA saved my life. Before it I could not afford health insurance even though I work. After it I was able to afford health insurance for the first time in my life. I had tests done on stomach pain that I have had for over five years and it was found that I had pre cancerous polyps.

Without the ACA bringing my health insurance cost way way down those polyps would have never been found. The gastrologist told me that I am very lucky to have caught it this early. In anther five-seven years it would have been to late. I'm only 38 years old And would have died of cancer before I was fifty.

I will personally thank obama for the ACA if I ever meet him.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 08:22 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha


For one thing, with the ACA, insurance is mostly employer provided, putting responsibility on employers to find group deals with insurance carriers, who then pay doctors rates the insurance carriers decide.

The "single payer" plan I have heard is often described as "Medicare for all." Medicare is insurance, contracted and subsidized through the Federal government using private insurance agencies.


With single payer, there is no insurance company setting policy and doctor rates, and health care coverage wouldn't be tied to employment.

Medicare is insurance. You don't seem able to grasp that. All this plan does differently is give the government even more power to funnel money to insurance companies.

While coverage might not be a function of employment, it is still tied to employment. There is a cost to Medicare, and one must have income to be able to pay that cost. That ties insurance to employment.

You might also be interested to know that Medicare does not cover everything either... my mother had both Medicare and then government retirement insurance as a backup... and Medicare simply did not cover everything. By far.


Nobody is suggesting "unlimited" insurance. You want cosmetic surgery or rejuvenation therapy, pay for it yourself. But health care decisions should be determined by doctors and their patients, not by insurance companies that know nothing and care not, about patient needs.

That's an easy call. What about the hard calls? What about the person who needs an experimental treatment? What about the people who need transplants? Those are limited in number, so when there's 1000 people in need but only 200 organs available, who is going to decide? I'll tell you who: "Medicare for all" will decide who lives and who doesn't. It will be no different than it is today in that respect; the only thing that will change will be that the most inefficient and corrupt organization we have in the country will be in charge.


What's your proposal?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 08:25 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Yes, thank you. Not the first time I have thanked you over this DB. But I always mean it.

You , obama, and every tax payer are the reason I will be able to continue contributing to this society well into my fifties and sixties.

America is stronger when we all help each other.
America is stronger when we are all healthy.

United we stand divided we fall are some of the truest statements ever made.

I for one will have no problem at all if the government wants to raise my taxes to pay for universal healthcare.

My only grievance is that obama caved to the insurance companies. Though trump fixed some of that by taking away the mandate.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 08:35 PM
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a reply to: scraedtosleep


No, The ACA saved my life.

So you are saying you went to an insurance agency to get screened for cancer? Gee, I went to a doctor for my heart issues. I guess that shows how dumb I am...

Look, I'm glad things worked out for you. But for many of us, we weren't so lucky. We got caught in the middle, because we were at the mercy of insurance companies who had us for a captured audience. Not only did the ACA put numerous companies out of business, raising the unemployment rate, but it also caused the insurance cost to spike. That made a lot of jobs go from 40 hours per week full time to one hour per week below the part-time level. The companies simply didn't have enough money to pay for health care for full time employees. So not only did those employees not get the ACA benefits, but they lost what insurance they did have and the drop in their take-home pay was so bad they couldn't afford anything else.

Those who did manage to keep insurance and a job saw deductibles and cost rise dramatically. Many really had no insurance; their deductible was so high the insurance never paid a dime, so they were essentially uninsured.


I will personally thank obama for the ACA if I ever meet him.

I'm sure the doctor that treated you will be impressed with your choice of recipient for your gratitude.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 08:50 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck




Medicare is insurance. You don't seem able to grasp that.



Medicare is not run by for profit insurance companies. Under "Medicare for All", or single payer, Medicare would be the only entity paying out to doctors, hospitals and pharmacies.



While coverage might not be a function of employment, it is still tied to employment. There is a cost to Medicare, and one must have income to be able to pay that cost. That ties insurance to employment.


No. It ties it to income.



What about the person who needs an experimental treatment?


Does any American insurance company pay for experimental treatment now?



Those are limited in number, so when there's 1000 people in need but only 200 organs available, who is going to decide?


The same way it's decided now, minus the financial qualifications.



"Medicare for all" will decide who lives and who doesn't. It will be no different than it is today in that respect;


The profit angle is eliminated.



the only thing that will change will be that the most inefficient and corrupt organization we have in the country will be in charge.


You think that the US government is the MOST corrupt organization in the country, and not for profit insurance carriers that extort money from dying people? Sorry, I must disagree here. Out government gives us roads, bridges and infrastructures, public schools, police, fire fighters and EMTs, not to mention our social safety nets and national security and our military.

I'll bet you call yourself a "nationalist", but you are no patriot if you think so little of the US Government.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Up goes your taxes again !!

1.45% now for Medicare PartA

How much when "everybody" is included?

😎



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 09:18 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha


Medicare is not run by for profit insurance companies.

No, but it runs off private insurers. The difference between Medicare and any other insurance policy is that medicare is standardized and subsidized. The money still winds up in the insurance company's pockets. These insurers also have some say in the standardization... that's why the restrictions are similar.


No. It ties it to income.

For the majority of the people in the country, that is a semantic argument. Income comes from employment.


The profit angle is eliminated.

Hahahaha! Don't tell me you really believe that?


You think that the US government is the MOST corrupt organization in the country, and not for profit insurance carriers that extort money from dying people?

Considering that the US government rewarded those insurance companies for doing so, yes. I know any company I deal with is out for profit. The government should not be so.

I also think a water moccasin is a more dangerous snake than a rattlesnake. A rattlesnake will warn you before it strikes. A water moccasin will not.


I'll bet you call yourself a "nationalist", but you are no patriot if you think so little of the US Government.

The government is not my country. My country is 300+ million citizens working together to make something of themselves. A true patriot will call out the government when they see corruption. You're thinking of worker drones, not patriots.

If anything, the past ten years minimum of government (likely beyond that) have been little more than an occupying force in the United States.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 09:26 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck



The government is not my country.


Your country and its 300+ millions of workers put your country's government in place. Which part isn't yours? Which part of the American government is an occupying force? The Oval Office? (Not your president?) The Department of Transportation? The Department of Education, Health and Human Services, the military? Which part of government isn't part of your country?



A true patriot will call out the government when they see corruption.


So, I guess you support all the left wing demonstrations against and investigations into Trump and his corrupt administration?


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posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 09:40 AM
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Your country and its 300+ millions of workers put your country's government in place.

Yes, and it is our responsibility to take them out when they violate the trust we put in them. Do you disagree?


Which part isn't yours?

Anyone who is speaking out against the US Constitution and Federal law.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 10:39 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck



Anyone who is speaking out against the US Constitution and Federal law.


I guess that would include President Trump then.




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