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originally posted by: conscientiousobserver
a reply to: bwillie
Pollution itself goes beyond just carbon in our air. Our oceans absorb much more carbon and are heating up because of this. Then you have the gigantic patches of plastic in our oceans that effect how the evaporation cycles occur. Which effects weather cycles and I honestly believe it is a big cause of California's drought. Anyways the oceans heating up effects weather cycles. The melting of the ice caps because of warmer oceans effects weather cycles. It is undeniable that to our detriment we are effecting certain aspects of the earth's natural cycles.
Also most climate change scientists take into account the activity of the sun and are in consensus that it is having very little effect on us and that we in n fact would only accelerate any variations anyways due to our incessant pollution.
One thing I haven't found much information on is the planetary wobble changing or any effects that we might be experiencing as we move throughout the galaxy. Which of course would only be accelerated because of pollution.
Moral of the story we need to stop polluting and we need to invest heavily in cleaning up the mess we have already made. In order to better cope with any external variables currently out of our control.
originally posted by: underwerks
I’m not a climate scientist, so I’d be out of my element trying to describe the complex systems that influence climate on this planet. What I can do is look at the people who fight so hard against the general scientific consensus.
While Exxon’s own scientists and research were 100% aligned with the expert consensus on human-caused global warming, the company simultaneously funded a campaign to manufacture doubt about that scientific consensus.
A new study published in the Proceedings of the National Academies of Science found that groups with funding from corporations like Exxon have been particularly effective at polarizing and misinforming the public on climate change. Since 1998, Exxon has given over $31 million to organizations and individuals blocking solutions to climate change and spreading misinformation to the public.
Exxons own scientists agree that humans are driving climate change, and they’ve been saying it since the 1970’s. Yet they’ve spent around $31 million combating their own scientists findings. Whether or not the sun and space weather effect climate change is irrelevant when we’re discussing the human impact, which there is ample evidence for.
What’s more likely? That regional environmental groups are spending their limited budgets in a massive conspiracy with 90% of the worlds scientists to create a worldwide hoax and crash the global economy..
Or big oil companies are spending their obscene profits to bribe anyone they can to protect their businesses and limit any future liability their pollution may cause?
originally posted by: babybunnies
The Sun is definitely the major driver of climate change, in a cycle that has been seen many times on Earth.
However, man made pollution is also causing this effect to rapidly speed up.
originally posted by: 727Sky
Just localized from the states but there are several other countries that could claim the same thing if one has access to the countries news articles. Considering it is only the month of November you have to wonder what December and January will be like.. In another thread one of our respected members who appears to believe the IPCC and NOAA posted a map showing how the forecast for the next several months was for a warm (above normal) winter with temps slightly above normal.. I figured the forecast was wrong then but decided to wait and see.. The Alarmist computer models do not instill much confidence and have not for the last 30 years at least for me..
It's already one of the coldest and snowiest starts to the winter season in parts of the Northeast, Midwest and Plains, and we haven't finished November yet.
According to the Accumulated Winter Season Severity Index (AWSSI) from the Midwest Regional Climate Center, 74 cities from New England to the Plains and Rockies have seen an extreme season-to-date of cold and snow as of Nov. 27.
The Western USA has so far had a mild and almost no snow or freezing temperatures.. I remember watching a video about the last ice age where they were saying Alaska was warmer than many places in Canada and the USA.. So far that seems to be true for the start of this winter season.