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posted on Nov, 24 2018 @ 11:28 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Is this still going on? How many years has it been now. Yes climate change exists, and it has changed for millions and millions of years. And like in the past it will not be a uniform all across the board change, some places will get hotter some colder, etc.

If they want to get rid of fossil fuels, then put funds into other technologies till they are on par and above fossil fuels, but then again what is CO2 not even in the one percent of the atmosphere, and yes with a quarter of the time and effort that people put into making fossil fuel engines you can do the same and beyond with electric or hydrogen, and both and all will still have backfires same as fossil fuels.

And ya man made climate change does exist, you see it in China or India with there massive garbage piles they dump, or get paid to dump in there country, thats not climate change, that's not #ting were you live or just human greed. And really it only effect people for the most part. The earth will not even notice.

It may effect animals like the great garbage patch in the ocean, but they will adapt. Earth + Plastic even that is taking effect in the sea. Most of those animals have survived giant asteroids and all kinds of things that have killed off species beyond counting, pretty sure while plastic may be a nuisance for a bit, but they will adapt or die, same will be said of humans.

But either way life goes on. But ya! Government and ideologies especially is'ms, do not have a good track record for solving such issues. They are pathetically lacking.

But either way one way or another this problem will solve itself. It is also a fact that 99.9 percent of species that were alive on this planet are extinct now. And 99.9 % of that is because the climate changed, in one for or another for them.

But ya! Old news even back in 2015.




posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 12:04 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse


Once again a far leftist, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, is using the tactic of claiming that "people will die if we don't implement socialist policies to combat climate change."

OMG! We have a new Al Gore!


And it's really good news too... this one looks better and has a much better comedy routine than the old one.


(just don't look into her eyes... people will DIE!!!)

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 12:07 AM
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a reply to: galadofwarthethird


with a quarter of the time and effort that people put into making fossil fuel engines you can do the same and beyond with electric or hydrogen, and both and all will still have backfires same as fossil fuels.

Just to keep the record straight... both electric and hydrogen are energy storage, not energy production. Something must make the electricity or the hydrogen and there is not any net benefit energy-wise to doing that.

Perhaps when you said electric you actually meant wind/solar/hydro/nuclear?

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 12:09 AM
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Wow this has advanced to HUMAN DOOM, I thought it was only Polar Bear doom...

So disappointed in Al Gore...



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 12:49 AM
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I'm old enough to remember when the left were once considered the more intellectual political persuasion. Seems like forever and day ago now...



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 03:08 AM
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originally posted by: underwerks
Because smarter environmental policies is the same thing as Venezuela-style socialism..



Do you work directly for Exxon?


They are when "such policies" would include increasing the prices of electricity, gas, etc, to levels that most people would not be able to afford.

You also forget that Obama's EPA chief had to admit "the goal of the strict environmental policies the Obama administration wanted to implement." it wasn't about "lowering temperatures, but it was about reinventing a global economy."




edit on 25-11-2018 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 03:18 AM
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a reply to: galadofwarthethird

What is happening in China is not "Climate Change." You are confusing environmental pollution with "Climate Change." CO2 is not a pollutant, it is in fact one of the building blocks of life on Earth. Over 99% of all life on Earth is carbon based because carbon/CO2 is a building block of life on this planet.

Without atmospheric CO2 there wouldn't be carbon based life. With less atmospheric CO2 than now plant life growth will stunt/not growth as much, and will not produce as much harvests/food. In fact people who have greenhouses increase the atmospheric CO2 to 800-1,500ppm+. Right now the amount of CO2 in Earth's atmosphere is only at 400ppm.


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While normal outdoor CO2 levels (about 400ppm) will achieve normal plant growth, doubling or tripling the CO2 levels can increase the growth rate. However, above 2,000ppm CO2 becomes toxic to plants, and above 5,000ppm CO2 becomes potentially harmful to people. Most experts agree that 1,500 ppm is the maximum CO2 level for maximum plant growth, although any CO2 level between 1,000ppm and 1,500ppm will produce greatly improved results.
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www.co2meter.com...

As it is Earth's atmospheric CO2 is lacking what would provide more plentiful harvests which would allow us to feed more people, and animals as well.

Not to mention the fact that with higher levels of atmospheric CO2 than at present plant life uses water more efficiently, using less water. Which means there would be more potable water for humans and animals than exists right now.



edit on 25-11-2018 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 07:44 AM
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Why does fighting man made climate change have to be a socialist cause? Because it sounds scary? The only people who deny man made climate change at his point are oil companies and those they pay to say so. And the dumbest people on the internet.



a reply to: ElectricUniverse



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 08:04 AM
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a reply to: soundguy


Why does fighting man made climate change have to be a socialist cause?

It doesn't have to be; it's just been framed that way.


Because it sounds scary?

I don't think it sounds scary at all... I think it sounds ignorant.


The only people who deny man made climate change at his point are oil companies and those they pay to say so. And the dumbest people on the internet.

You might want to get out more... I think all that CNN might be causing delusions.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 08:13 AM
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originally posted by: soundguy
Why does fighting man made climate change have to be a socialist cause? Because it sounds scary? The only people who deny man made climate change at his point are oil companies and those they pay to say so. And the dumbest people on the internet.



a reply to: ElectricUniverse



It doesn't have to be, but that's the sort of solution most of these people inevitably propose to "fight" it.

We will confiscate your money and find ways to spend it and magically you will all be saved even if you are now all poor and miserable.

Notice all the personal austerity measures they endorse for us peasants, they never personally practice: small electric car or bicycle, small house, sustainable garden and food practices, composting toilet, etc.

They all live in multiple monster mansions, drive in giant gas guzzlers even more egregious than the worst private SUV, plenty of private jet trips to all kinds of hot spots for conferences, etc.

It sort of drives home the idea of the ruling class dictating how the commons will live. We all get to live equally miserable while they get the best of everything for the privilege of holding down their fellows.

And understand, I have nothing against any or all of these measures or other measures for any of us as is practical and chosen on a personal and individual basis. We all do what's best for ourselves on that level every day. That's fine and to be expected. I've practiced a few of them myself here and there where I can, but to evenly enforce them across the board without regard to personal circumstance is definitely dictatorial and tyrannical.
edit on 25-11-2018 by ketsuko because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Same as yesterday... more Carbon Credit Scam promoting.

Bottom Line, they want to implement a Carbon Credit Scam. That is the goal.... BTW, US emissions are DOWN while Europe emissions with all their carbon scam credits are UP.

Carbon Dioxide: U.S. Emissions Down, European Emissions Up
Despite the E.U.'s carbon markets and vast renewable energy subsidies

reason.com...



While most major economies saw a rise, some others experienced declines, including the United States, United Kingdom, Mexico and Japan. The biggest decline came from the United States, mainly because of higher deployment of renewables.

The U.S.'s performance contrasts with that of the European Union, whose carbon dioxide emissions increased by 1.8 percent last year. This, even though many E.U. countries participate in a carbon market and are engaged in vast efforts aimed at replacing fossil fuels with wind and solar power.


www.greentechmedia.com...



Molly Walsh, renewables campaigner at Friends of the Earth Europe, said the figures showed that the EU Emissions Trading System (ETS), the first and currently biggest greenhouse gas emissions trading scheme in the world, was not doing its job.

European Union carbon emissions grew 1.8 percent in 2017 despite a 25 percent increase in wind power and 6 percent growth in solar, figures show. The European statistics body Eurostat this month reported that carbon dioxide emissions rose last year in a majority of EU member states.

In total, 20 EU member states saw emissions rise in 2017, while only seven managed to cut their carbon dioxide output. Eurostat said the Swedish data was still under revision, so it was not included.



So, the United States is actually lowering our Carbon output while Europe and all their financial scams are increasing theirs..... But hey, a bunch of the right people are getting rich while their common people pay through the nose to finance this Carbon Credit Scam.


Yet the US has got less people and pollutes almost double. You are the biggest responsible for this.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 03:58 PM
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originally posted by: Asktheanimals
If only she were as entertaining as the video.
She scares me far more than climate change.


The video is hilarious, but unfortunately it has become truth to how the majority of democrats/liberals/socialists/communists argue about their agendas, and the "need to implement them or PEOPLE WILL DIE!!!."

The video starts with an example showing fake Pocahontas/Warren arguing how "people will die if the tax cuts were to be implemented." Of course people died/die because it is part of our life cycle, but not because of the "tax cuts..."



edit on 25-11-2018 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 04:11 PM
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originally posted by: soundguy
Why does fighting man made climate change have to be a socialist cause? Because it sounds scary? The only people who deny man made climate change at his point are oil companies and those they pay to say so. And the dumbest people on the internet.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse


Because the argument of "we have to fight climate change" is being used as an excuse to have a global form of government in which only one person, or group will be in charge of every nation on the planet.

Heck, every argument being made lately includes the need "for a global system, laws etc to combat climate change." If you think the "war on drugs" has been a waste and will just keep on going, imagine having a "war with nature."

That's what "combating climate change" will really mean. Combating a natural process that the Earth is always going through, and will always go through. The climate will never be "static/perfect" or as the left sees it "balanced."

If there was a "balance" to Earth we wouldn't had experienced the Roman Warm Period, which was warmer than the current period. We wouldn't have experienced the Medieval Warm Period, which was at least as warm as the present period, and we wouldn't have experienced the LIA(Little Ice Age). Those are only the last three periods of "dramatic climate change" Earth has experienced, and there have been many others. Earth will continue to experience such "dramatic climate changes, and all we can do is adapt to them.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 05:35 PM
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originally posted by: JameSimon

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Same as yesterday... more Carbon Credit Scam promoting.

Bottom Line, they want to implement a Carbon Credit Scam. That is the goal.... BTW, US emissions are DOWN while Europe emissions with all their carbon scam credits are UP.

Carbon Dioxide: U.S. Emissions Down, European Emissions Up
Despite the E.U.'s carbon markets and vast renewable energy subsidies

reason.com...



While most major economies saw a rise, some others experienced declines, including the United States, United Kingdom, Mexico and Japan. The biggest decline came from the United States, mainly because of higher deployment of renewables.

The U.S.'s performance contrasts with that of the European Union, whose carbon dioxide emissions increased by 1.8 percent last year. This, even though many E.U. countries participate in a carbon market and are engaged in vast efforts aimed at replacing fossil fuels with wind and solar power.


www.greentechmedia.com...



Molly Walsh, renewables campaigner at Friends of the Earth Europe, said the figures showed that the EU Emissions Trading System (ETS), the first and currently biggest greenhouse gas emissions trading scheme in the world, was not doing its job.

European Union carbon emissions grew 1.8 percent in 2017 despite a 25 percent increase in wind power and 6 percent growth in solar, figures show. The European statistics body Eurostat this month reported that carbon dioxide emissions rose last year in a majority of EU member states.

In total, 20 EU member states saw emissions rise in 2017, while only seven managed to cut their carbon dioxide output. Eurostat said the Swedish data was still under revision, so it was not included.



So, the United States is actually lowering our Carbon output while Europe and all their financial scams are increasing theirs..... But hey, a bunch of the right people are getting rich while their common people pay through the nose to finance this Carbon Credit Scam.


Yet the US has got less people and pollutes almost double. You are the biggest responsible for this.


Fools who support the transfer of wealth through the largest financial scam in history is the one and only problem here.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 10:14 PM
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originally posted by: JameSimon
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Yet the US has got less people and pollutes almost double. You are the biggest responsible for this.


Hate fueled by nothing but ignorance. Yet again, I grew up in Spain knowing and experiencing how hateful many Europeans can be...



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 10:31 PM
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BTW, anyone remembers this one? It wasn't that long ago.

Women/People Will Die if Kavanaugh Is Confirmed.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 10:50 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

HUH! ? You got some sort of devising line between things that are energy storage, and energy production?

That seems pointless. But whatever. Something must also make gas and oil, generally big giant machines to dig, and either gas or electrical supply, but more often then not, a combination of both, and also even more big machines to supply all that, and to carry it back and forth all over the place.

Sorry I don't see what your classification on points are. There is no such thing on this planet as energy production? Everybody is just spending various forms of energies from various sources to most thing back and forth, none of them are creating energy, there using what is already there.

Unless your talking about the sun? But I dont think humans can make a sun, the idea is preposterous.

Or! Unless you meant in a broad term? If so, then a horse and carriage then can be considered energy production, just feed it grass and carrots, but then again so can anything else. Or unless you meant, energy surplus? Ya that's probably what you meant. And likely that word energy surplus will take hold, since your other word energy production is meaningless, as in it means nothing.

Energy surplus. Yes! I like that.

It makes a sort of sense in that case. Even though that to is just a play on interpretations. But better then energy production. Which can be pretty much anything.



posted on Nov, 25 2018 @ 10:54 PM
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What is happening in China is not "Climate Change." You are confusing environmental pollution with "Climate Change."

Well I suppose so. Its hard to keep track of all the verbiage's and coined words or phrases, that mean the same thing here. You could say polluting in your back yard is environmental pollution, but either way you have changed the climate for your backyard.

And ya! CO2 is lacking, that's been a big duh for the past few million years or so.



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 01:29 AM
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You got some sort of devising line between things that are energy storage, and energy production?

Science does. You might want to look that up.

Energy storage is any mechanism that only produces energy when equal or greater amounts of energy are put into the system. You mentioned hydrogen... sure, you can burn hydrogen and get energy. If we had a ready supply of hydrogen, it would be considered energy production. But we don't. Hydrogen on Earth is produced primarily through electrolysis. Electrolysis requires electrical energy to operate. For every watt of power produced by burning/reducing hydrogen, one watt of power is required to make it. Thus, hydrogen is energy storage, not energy production.

For every watt of electricity we use, we had to put in a watt of something else to get it... be that wind, hydrogen, water flow, etc. Electricity is energy storage.

Oil/gas would be energy storage if we had to create the oil/gas. We don't. It's already there in large quantities, so all we have to do is refine it. One watt of gas/oil power does not require a watt of power to obtain. Oil/gas is energy production. Same with wind... the wind already exists; we do not have to create it. It does not take a watt of power to get every watt of power from wind. Even your example of a horse and buggy is energy production, because the grass is already there, although that one has poor energy density. That's why we don't use it much.

It's painfully obvious you have no idea how energy is produced. Please try reading up on and understanding a subject before you make a fool of yourself.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 26 2018 @ 05:39 AM
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Another candidate that will spend more then they will ever get back.

Socialism in America will never work. There are more people who dont care to work one second of their entire lives when compared to the ones that would work and pay taxes.

This Cortez lady has family and concerns outside of America and that is her priority

American's are spoiled, dont need anymore and should start handing out what they worked hard for



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