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Now I finally know the Masons are in China

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posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 02:39 PM
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Today I found this website which was advertised on ATS

www.freemasonjewels.com...




This website has a special place where you can buy mason jewlery, but you can't get in unless you can pass the test. See below:



Now look back at the first picture. Do you see the ring. It's a ring with a circle, inside the circle is a triangle.

In 2002 I met a Chinese man who wore this ring. I asked him about it and he said he was part of a brotherhood, of carpenters. He has some French Belgium ancestors though. But I now definately believe the Masons operate in China.




posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 02:48 PM
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I wouldn't be too sure about the triangle within a circle. It's not a Masonic emblem that I can recall. But then maybe it is pertinent to the Chinese. Their ages are certainly different anyway.
In most places you can join Freemasonry at either 18 and 21 and you can go straight up to Master Mason.
It doesn't work on that little questionairre thingy though.

As for Freemasonry existing in China? There have been Lodges in Hong Kong for centuries - two of the members of my Lodge were initiated and became Freemasons when they served with the Royal Navy over there.

[edit on 25-2-2005 by Leveller]



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 02:49 PM
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Have you heard about any migration from hong kong or shanghai into the inner depths of the mainland where I am?



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 02:51 PM
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No. But it should be easy enough to check out.
Just telephone one of the Hong Kong Lodges and ask them.


If you Google "Freemasonry in China" you can find lots of interesting information regarding the subject.

[edit on 25-2-2005 by Leveller]



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 02:53 PM
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That's a good idea, I just turned 25 years old and I think I wanna get into some wickedly evil rule the world stuff...Actually it's kinda scary and then to be the only foreigner in a chinese lodge...oh god that's gotta suck



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 02:57 PM
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The Hong Kong Lodges contain a lot of ex-pats.
You would also get a lot of visitors.

As for a purely Chinese Lodge? I guess it would be very interesting to see how it would work.
Just reading through those links, there are many who claim that Freemasonry has evolved in China with the same symbols but under a different guise. If it does exist, it would have had to be secretive at least until fairly recently as the Chinese authorities are unfortunately anti-masonic.



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by 00PS
That's a good idea, I just turned 25 years old and I think I wanna get into some wickedly evil rule the world stuff...


If THAT'S why you wanna become a mason, just give up now. You will be VERY disappointed.



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 04:22 PM
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Actually I was just joking. I can see from you Avatar you are a mason, no? Just like a roof would fall down if it were not the walls that support it, Masons must have many lay people to set the foundation for their work. And at the upper eschelons who knows what they are planning.



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 05:48 PM
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Sort of reminds me of this group for some reason:


www.goldenrosycross.org...



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by 00PS
Actually I was just joking. I can see from you Avatar you are a mason, no? Just like a roof would fall down if it were not the walls that support it, Masons must have many lay people to set the foundation for their work. And at the upper eschelons who knows what they are planning.



You REALLY need to understand that there are no "upper eschelons" except our ELECTED OFFICIALS at the grand lodges. They're only in office for one year, hardly enough time to plan a world takeover or to marry some pre-teen virgins.

That's the biggest pile of crud that conspiracy theorists spew out time and time again. Nobody has ever come up with a SHRED of evidence to back that up. Do you really think that millions of men are dumb enough that they would not know what is going on in their very own organization??? Moral men such as masons just don't do the things you guys accuse us of. Sorry, try again.



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by 00PS
Actually I was just joking. I can see from you Avatar you are a mason, no? Just like a roof would fall down if it were not the walls that support it, Masons must have many lay people to set the foundation for their work. And at the upper eschelons who knows what they are planning.


Here's a "high-ranking" mason explaining to other guys like you why you're argument doesn't hold up:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Please read it if you want to continue discussing this.



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 02:28 PM
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Sorry I have no idea about your club. Although it looks very inclusive as African Americans have lodges albiet not recognized by all Grand Lodges, and women have had their role in history and their are Lodges in Africa, Asia, Middle East, Europe, South America and North America it is mysterious as why it is not inclusive to all people. I am talking with Masonic Light in another forum and he says it's just about learning and getting knowledge. Ok... I understand that. Is your knowledge not for everyone?

Conspiracy theories about masons are all pretty negative I know and I don't accuse you of doing anything evil, I was really making a joke about getting into some wickedly evil things now that I'm 25. Actually I am trying to make my life more full of light and wholesome now that I have turned 25.

I have no great scheme in my mind about your organization. I only find it rather an amusing concept to be one of your own and what would it be like.



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by 00PS
Sorry I have no idea about your club. Although it looks very inclusive as African Americans have lodges albiet not recognized by all Grand Lodges, and women have had their role in history and their are Lodges in Africa, Asia, Middle East, Europe, South America and North America it is mysterious as why it is not inclusive to all people. I am talking with Masonic Light in another forum and he says it's just about learning and getting knowledge. Ok... I understand that. Is your knowledge not for everyone?


I appreciate your willingness to learn and discuss the positive side of masonry. WHAT masonry teaches is not secret... rather, what is secret is HOW masonry teaches it. Masonry's teachings hjave been described as "Veiled in Allegory and Illustrated through Symbolism", and this is exactly how we learn our moral lessons.



Conspiracy theories about masons are all pretty negative I know and I don't accuse you of doing anything evil, I was really making a joke about getting into some wickedly evil things now that I'm 25. Actually I am trying to make my life more full of light and wholesome now that I have turned 25.


I'm only 25 as well, and I think becoming a mason was the most unique,wondeful experiences of my life. I'm glad I joined early, as I have a looooong time to learn and take advantage of all that masonry has to offer.



I have no great scheme in my mind about your organization. I only find it rather an amusing concept to be one of your own and what would it be like.


There's really nothing that can define it. Masonry is a lot of things to a lot of people. Some masons enjoy the esoteric rituals and knowledge, others enjoy the world-wide fraternity. Literally, anywhere you go in the world, you have people who you have never met, but who treat you like family. It's a great feeling.

If you have any questions, there's many masons on this board who would be more than happy to answer them for you. Ask and I will tell.



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by sebatwerk others enjoy the world-wide fraternity. Literally, anywhere you go in the world, you have people who you have never met, but who treat you like family. It's a great feeling.


Thank you for your mature and honest response. I can see from that it must be such an enjoyable experience to travel around the world and to have 'family' like that.

When I was 20 my friend went to the Mason Lodge down in Olympia, Washington to a dinner where people could learn information. This was the first time I ever heard of the Masons being such and open-door club. I like that. I am seriously interested in becoming a mason in China but find that it might be difficult because of the language barrier. Do you think the lessons learned would be the same in the East? You speak of learning Moral Lessons from Symbols so there should be some continuity don't you think? I don't know!



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by 00PS
I can see from that it must be such an enjoyable experience to travel around the world and to have 'family' like that.


Well, there are many fraternities that offer this. Masonry, though, is undoubtedly the biggest and has members in every free country.



When I was 20 my friend went to the Mason Lodge down in Olympia, Washington to a dinner where people could learn information. This was the first time I ever heard of the Masons being such and open-door club. I like that.


That is how I became a member. I did not know ANY masons where I joined. I just called and asked to go to one of their dinners. The guys were really great and asnwered all my questions. The rest is history...



I am seriously interested in becoming a mason in China but find that it might be difficult because of the language barrier. Do you think the lessons learned would be the same in the East? You speak of learning Moral Lessons from Symbols so there should be some continuity don't you think? I don't know!



Although our rituals are virtually the same throughout the world, if you don't understand the language then you will not understand the ritual. I don't think a lodge would allow you to join if you couldn't speak their language.

What are you doing in China?



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by sebatwerk
What are you doing in China?


Watching... (see the avatar on the left)



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by 00PS
Today I found this website which was advertised on ATS

www.freemasonjewels.com...

This website has a special place where you can buy mason jewlery, but you can't get in unless you can pass the test. See below:

Now look back at the first picture. Do you see the ring. It's a ring with a circle, inside the circle is a triangle.

In 2002 I met a Chinese man who wore this ring. I asked him about it and he said he was part of a brotherhood, of carpenters. He has some French Belgium ancestors though. But I now definately believe the Masons operate in China.


Nothing particularly special about the site, except that it's a little weird. It sells jewelry. If you want to log in, there's no secret to the "age" of the degrees.

EA = 3
FC = 5
MM= 7

Regards



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by 00PS
Have you heard about any migration from hong kong or shanghai into the inner depths of the mainland where I am?


The last I heard, Freemasonry is still illegal in mainland China, a carryover from the Maoist period. The Grand Lodge of China exists in exile, with offices in Taiwan. It has several chartered Lodges in Honh Kong.

The Scottish Rite is alive in well there also. Taiwan is a part of the Southern Jurisdiction USA, and has a Deputy of the Supreme Council there.



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 09:01 PM
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Hmm...Well then I guess I can't join in the craft now can I. Maybe later in life when circumstances are more permitting. But I did meet the mason man.


Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by 00PS
Have you heard about any migration from hong kong or shanghai into the inner depths of the mainland where I am?


The last I heard, Freemasonry is still illegal in mainland China, a carryover from the Maoist period. The Grand Lodge of China exists in exile, with offices in Taiwan. It has several chartered Lodges in Honh Kong.

The Scottish Rite is alive in well there also. Taiwan is a part of the Southern Jurisdiction USA, and has a Deputy of the Supreme Council there.



posted on Feb, 27 2005 @ 06:02 AM
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Originally posted by senrak
If you want to log in, there's no secret to the "age" of the degrees.

EA = 3
FC = 5
MM= 7




Well........duh.
Why didn't I think of that?

Never heard of those numbers being referred to as ages though.



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