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Anti-Trumpers are Thought Police, Not Our Moral Superiors.

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posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 12:03 PM
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Exactly


originally posted by: continuousThunder
the OP in brief:

"i don't actually listen when women speak therefore something something leftist bogeyman"
like not that i expect intellectual honesty or any sort of integrity around here anymore but dang that's still a real big leap in logic to go entirely unremarked for four pages.




posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 03:27 PM
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Fox just had BREAKING news. Trump says we must let all migrants enter the U.S. Seems the California fires are turning north and we need them to take 6'000,000 square acres of forest. He's going to have all rakes seized by the military.



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 04:08 PM
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It is also worth remembering that dictators usually come into power on a wave of populism. Carried along by people who proudly don't care about the awful ugly things these dictators say and do.

There are many people who would happily embrace totalitarianism. Because it offers nice simple answers to difficult problems, and it makes libruhls cry.

Sadly we see a lot of people like that here on ATS.

To which we can only observe, totalitarianism is all well and good until the police come knocking at your door too. As they inevitably do.



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 04:14 PM
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

― Theodore Roosevelt



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 04:25 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal

And where in all that did I say they didn't have a right to protest?

I said there really wasn't anything for them to protest yet because nothing had happened except the election loss. Screaming about an election loss only makes you look like sore loser. Now, if there had been legislation proposed to make women wear burkas and never leave the house without the escort of a male relative, then they would have a right to be in the streets. I might have joined them on that ... well, except they made it clear that conservative women weren't welcome at their march.
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posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 04:27 PM
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a reply to: IndyFront

Except I'm not sure how this passes for criticism.




posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 05:03 PM
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originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Propagandalf
I'm a guy but I have to disagree with your post on nearly every point.

So you don't see that if a woman, doing just the same job with the same productivity as a man, automatically earns less, as an an injustice?


Artificial injustice...

I'll give you a crumb. The same reason men make up 98% of work related fatalities and the wage gap are related. Maternity leave is also not taken into your .77 cent on the dollar BS argument.

You have the world at your fingertips.
Use it!

Rather than parroting lies...


The generalizations you have proposed do not stand up well to scrutiny.

In some fields of work, women are not accepted and employed because of the perception that the jobs are "mans work". If they don't get the job, it is impossible for them to die in that job, which skews the figures. Specifically, those jobs are in the following industries: Construction, Transportation, Mining and Forestry. These particular industries (except construction) have death rates of greater than 10 times the rate of the average of all other industry sectors (source: Occupational fatality From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

In dangerous work where there is no gender discrimination, women actually have higher risk of injury (and, potentially, death) than their male counterparts (source: Sex Differences in Injury Patterns Among Workers in Heavy Manufacturing - Oxford Journal of Epidemiology).

Analysis of injury statistics (rather than fatalities) reveals that, even with the inclusion of industries that exclude women, the figures by gender are far closer than you proposed (source: Gender differences in work-related injury/illness: analysis of workers compensation claims. - NCBI).

Then there is the fact that women (in general) take fewer stupid risks and therefore fewer of them die as a result (source: Strong Evidence for Gender Differences in Risk Taking - Journal of Economic Behavior & Organization).

While I agree that maternity leave is a differentiator, more males do time in jail, with 93.4% of all inmates in the US being male (source: Incarceration in the United States - Gender From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). This more than balances lost work time for maternity leave.

And your refutations don't even address the issues where men and women both work in the same location, doing the same work, with equal productivity, yet the women are, systematically, paid less.

The wage gap is real, and inexcusably unjust, no matter how you squirm.

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posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 06:16 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: IndyFront

Except I'm not sure how this passes for criticism.



Yeah, and I'm not sure what a melodramatic screaming lunatic has to do with "thought policing" or "moral superiority," either.



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 06:58 PM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Justoneman




Anti Communist is what I am and he is a Commie/Fascist

Obama wasn't a Socialist or a Commie/Fascist , time to brush up on your definitions.



ETA Just call balls and strikes on Socialism and you would have to agree it leads to disaster of murderous proportions never imagined by the Khans.

Looking around I think Capitalism does "disaster of murderous proportions" far better than Socialism.

He wasn't at first. Now look at him. He is a pusher man now. Pushing the communist agenda is an action that speaks for itself.



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 07:01 PM
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originally posted by: IndyFront

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: IndyFront

Except I'm not sure how this passes for criticism.



Yeah, and I'm not sure what a melodramatic screaming lunatic has to do with "thought policing" or "moral superiority," either.

It appears it is more about consequences of forcing a PC lifestyle that violates human rights.



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 07:16 PM
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originally posted by: Justoneman
It appears it is more about consequences of forcing a PC lifestyle that violates human rights.


Criticizing the President =/= Forcing PC Culture



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 08:06 PM
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a reply to: IndyFront



I'll let Jonathan Haidt talk about it. His specialty is morality and ethics, and he's been watching this with some alarm. He may be sitting across from Jordan Peterson here, but make no mistake -- Haidt is NO kind of conservative, just read some of his stuff and you'll see.

However, in this clip, he'll break down what he sees happening with the left. It is descending into a quasi-primitive tribalist fundamentalism. It's like a sort of young earth creationist mind-set where only a certain narrow point-of-view is accepted. The answer is known; the results are made to find the answer that is known, and it all goes from there.
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posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 08:08 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

So, extremes suck?

Moderates are not evil?

This is a new idea?


edit on 11/23/2018 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 08:26 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

You do realize Trump is a con artist and pathological liar?



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 08:26 PM
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a reply to: Phage

No, you didn't pay attention. He was addressing more narrowing the problem in the world of academia, but it's a broader issue too.

As he said - most of the thinkers on the left used to be able to approach an issue like immigration and weigh both pros and cons, but increasingly, they have decided that because there are a few on the right that have racial overtones to their opposition, that they are justified making a full-on push for full and unrestrained immigration and ignoring all arguments made against it. In short, it has shifted away from a reasoned discussion to an automatic opposition made on moral grounds.

Racism is evil. That opposition is racist. All opposition is racist. Therefore, I must be in full support to be moral.

Haidt identifies it as a primitive tribal form of fundamentalism.



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 08:52 PM
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originally posted by: Painterz
It is also worth remembering that dictators usually come into power on a wave of populism. Carried along by people who proudly don't care about the awful ugly things these dictators say and do.

There are many people who would happily embrace totalitarianism. Because it offers nice simple answers to difficult problems, and it makes libruhls cry.

Sadly we see a lot of people like that here on ATS.

To which we can only observe, totalitarianism is all well and good until the police come knocking at your door too. As they inevitably do.


Gandhi was a populist. Bernie Sanders is a populist. Yawn.



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal

The Woman’s march on Washington occurred the day after Trump’s inauguration.

One of the organizers, a woman from Maui, said this:



I went to bed the night of the election just discouraged and woke up feeling worse the next day thinking how could this be? I was just sad and dumbfounded from the rhetoric of the campaign and the hatred and bigotry," Shook said.


Source

It was the biggest single day protest in American history. Dumbfounded by rhetoric, hatred and bigotry—words. Sad.



posted on Nov, 24 2018 @ 12:35 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
-SNIP-

I'm not talking about the left. I'm talking about apolitical regular people who don't like the # that comes out of his mouth, or non-left people in public service calling him out. And no, that doesn't include PR stunts like that of Clinton or Chief Justice Roberts. I'm talking about people that go, "well, something is a bit off-kilter about that guy, don't think I trust him" since BEFORE he was President even.

I am allowed to criticize Trump, and I'll tear-ass up and down this forum about how he's just as bad as Obama and Bush, and how Presidents are selected and not elected, and how the Presidency is just a #ing puppet show and entertainment division of the military industrial complex. I mean, seriously, when did the CONSPIRACY THEORIST COMMUNITY of ALL communities become such a bunch of #ing bootlickers...



posted on Nov, 24 2018 @ 12:36 AM
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a reply to: Painterz

Hail Trump ! Mein Leader !



posted on Nov, 24 2018 @ 01:37 AM
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originally posted by: Propagandalf

I didn’t mention leftists and in fact quoted a right-wing, conservative journalist. So much for intellectual honesty.




originally posted by: Propagandalf

If they can’t get him for what he did say, they’ll surely get him for what he didn’t. When he didn’t condemn David Duke, didn’t chastise Vladimir Putin, didn’t chastise Saudi Arabia, or didn’t condemn white nationalists, our superiors yelled racism, white supremacy and treason.


some mysterious, nebulous "they" out to GET you for not displaying a handful of traits people on the right call "PC culture" enough? Doesn't sound at ALL like a leftist bogeyman no idea what i was thinking

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