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Anti-Trumpers are Thought Police, Not Our Moral Superiors.

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posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 02:05 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: soundguy
Im definitely morally superior to any trump humping deplorable. a reply to: Propagandalf



If you have to say you are, you probably ain't.


Explain your reasoning.

To me, explaining your moral basis to another, is a reasonable enough thing to do.


Moral people don't go around telling people how morally superior they are.


Then how do you communicate that you feel morally superior?

(I think that most people believe that they are morally superior to everyone else, so it's really all only opinion, IMHO).


Like most things that require some level of convincing or persuasion, I make a case or argument.

Also I'm not sure if you're aware, but I responded to your first comment on a previous page.




posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: Propagandalf
a reply to: chr0naut


So you don't see that if a woman, doing just the same job with the same productivity as a man, automatically earns less, as an an injustice?


I do see that as an injustice, yes. If you can find an example of this occurring, I'd be there protesting it with you.


Then there is the side to do with attitudes of sexual dominance which leads to crimes like rape, you don't see the injustice there?


I absolutely do. But when the #metoo movement kicked off, march on hollywood only drew hundreds, maybe a couple thousand.


These same things if applied to minorities are injustices so surely applying the same to nearly 50% of the population is an even greater injustice.

Donald Trump, through his comments and publicly portrayed lifestyle, clearly embodies sexist attitudes.

In a position of power, he will enact things which are based upon those attitudes and will perpetuate the injustices.

That was what was being protested.

Trump has said, and is attempting to enact, some fairly unjust things. The protesters concerns are validated in Trump's recent actions.


Protesting someone's attitude is thought policing. If he legislates sexist or racist policies, again, I will be there protesting with you. Until then...


Apologies on being tardy in this response. I have to work and so can't spend the time on this that it warrants.

Here's a CNBC article on How to convince a skeptic the pay gap is real but it only really scratches the surface.

When Trump was just elected, the protests were against Trump's words and actions, as well as the attitudes they portrayed. Since then Trump has done some of the things he campaigned on and which the protests opposed.

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posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Hey, I'm working too. Good to know some of us have jobs here.

No, I believe the pay gap is real, just that it is the consequence of their choices and not sexism. Your article confirms this. Women leave the work force to have kids—then again they don't have to. Men work harder and longer hours—women could choose to do the same. I think we're seeing an injustice where there isn't one.



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 04:41 PM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Propagandalf

When the entire argument fits upon a placard, I tend to not give it much credence.

Much less if it's being shouted in perpetuity.


What, like "make America great again"?



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 05:24 PM
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a reply to: fencesitter85

I trust that you aren't confusing the terms of slogan with argument.


That would be rather foolish.



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 05:47 PM
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No its perfect. The "liberals" scream and shout down "conservatives", then the "conservatives" take on a counter-reactionary complex, then in no time we have both the "liberals" thought policing people for liking Trump, and the "conservatives" thought policing people for being critical of Him. Kind of like during Obama it was the flip side, and by the time the hoodwinked masses allow another from the flip side of their beloved Two Party + MSM System, the sides will flip again.
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posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 06:05 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss




No its perfect. The "liberals" scream and shout down "conservatives", then the "conservatives" take on a counter-reactionary complex, then in no time we have both the "liberals" thought policing people for liking Trump, and the "conservatives" thought policing people for being critical of Him. Kind of like during Obama it was the flip side, and by the time the hoodwinked masses allow another from the flip side of their beloved Two Party + MSM System, the sides will flip again.


Both liberals and conservatives hate Trump. How does that factor in?



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 06:27 PM
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originally posted by: soundguy
Im definitely morally superior to any trump humping deplorable. a reply to: Propagandalf


JHC, Well then, you and your moral superiority stay in line because your next.



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 07:33 PM
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originally posted by: Propagandalf
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss




No its perfect. The "liberals" scream and shout down "conservatives", then the "conservatives" take on a counter-reactionary complex, then in no time we have both the "liberals" thought policing people for liking Trump, and the "conservatives" thought policing people for being critical of Him. Kind of like during Obama it was the flip side, and by the time the hoodwinked masses allow another from the flip side of their beloved Two Party + MSM System, the sides will flip again.


Both liberals and conservatives hate Trump. How does that factor in?


Uh huh.

Yep!




posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 08:09 PM
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originally posted by: soundguy
Im definitely morally superior to any trump humping deplorable. a reply to: Propagandalf



The voting electorate system saw that same rhetoric from Hillary and Obama fans, and that's why Trump won. He will win again thanks to your pompous asinum lingent theorem.

America owes you it's collective thanks! (The real America, not your version of it).



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 08:22 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

What's scary is that most of the people you're talking about will become cyborgs in the next 10 - 20 years.




posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 08:31 PM
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a reply to: soundguy
You still have no clue why Dems lost in 2016, and will continue to lose...



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 09:53 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

I can make myself a piece of evidence for this. There is a full-time work opportunity available in my company at the moment that I would be extremely qualified for. I would love to go for it, but when I weigh the cost/benefit analysis of what I would gain monetarily v. what I would lose in terms of flexibility and ability to plain be mom ... it's not worth it right now.

Yeah, I am choosing not to try to advance my career beyond a part-time level because it wouldn't be what's best for our family.

These are the kinds of compromises women do make more often than men. Culturally, men are less likely to put themselves in that position. The man is the traditional family provider and it's his job and has been since he was dragging in that carcass.
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posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 09:59 PM
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originally posted by: Propagandalf
a reply to: chr0naut

Hey, I'm working too. Good to know some of us have jobs here.

No, I believe the pay gap is real, just that it is the consequence of their choices and not sexism. Your article confirms this. Women leave the work force to have kids—then again they don't have to. Men work harder and longer hours—women could choose to do the same. I think we're seeing an injustice where there isn't one.


Men leave the workforce too and the article (and statistical analyses) confirms that men don't universally work harder and longer hours (if they do, it is quite often by their choice, too).

Suggesting that there is a gender pay gap because women choose to be paid less, seems a little hard to validate and is therefore likely to be opinion based rather than factual.



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posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 10:07 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

If you could hire a women for less for straight up the same job, no men would ever get hired. There would be no point to it.

If all things were equal, but you could pay the women 10 cents on the dollar less per hour, then why on earth would you ever hire another man for that position?

It's like wondering why so many illegals get hired to do certain trade jobs. Of course, the employers can get away with paying them much much less.
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posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 10:11 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: chr0naut

If you could hire a women for less for straight up the same job, no men would ever get hired. There would be no point to it.

If all things were equal, but you could pay the women 10 cents on the dollar less per hour, then why on earth would you ever hire another man for that position?

It's like wondering why so many illegals get hired to do certain trade jobs. Of course, the employers can get away with paying them much much less.


While what you say is reasonable, you must remember that it is the same people who pay men more for the job, who would be hiring.

Their attitude is that women will not be able to, or willing to, do the job. So they hire men preferentially and pay commensurate to their beliefs.

Their attitudes and beliefs are not necessarily based in reason, but in tradition and unfounded assumption.

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posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 10:22 PM
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That's some damn good writing whether you agree with it or not.
I do of course.



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 10:57 PM
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Seems Trump is now taking the gloves off to fight the anti-Trumper's in a latest tweet about Adam Schiff.


So funny to see little Adam Schitt (D-CA) talking about the fact that Acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker was not approved by the Senate, but not mentioning the fact that Bob Mueller (who is highly conflicted) was not approved by the Senate!

Twitter

Funniest thing I have ever seen yet from Trump!
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posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 12:21 AM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

So do you have a problem with Americans exercising their right under the Constitution to peaceful protest? Do yo have a problem with Americans standing up for what they believe even when it goes against opinions?

Plus, I disagree with you that they were only protesting the words of Trump, it was more the essence of Trump. I honestly think the reason the Donald Trump was able to win the election is that many people were either not old enough in the 80s and 90s to remember who Trump was then. At that time he really was viewed by many as the mold for the stereotypical Mr. Burns. In his very first TV interview from 1985, Trump complained to Mike Wallace:


“I believe they make me out to be something more sinister than I really am.”


All the way back in the 80s his utter lack of ethics, egregious pursuit of wealth, and antimoralistic lifestyle were already well established. Even when he wasn’t in politics he was in the news and usually not for good things.

Literally the first thing which brought Trump into the public spotlight was a horrible story. I say horrible to reflect the public reaction at the time. When this story broke and the people saw the lengths which this rich guy Donald Trump would go to for money, to call it shock would not be an understatement.

Trump wanted tenants evicted from these two buildings so that he could knock them down and build luxury hotels. The tenants didn’t want to leave and Trump couldn’t legally evict them Y they were paying on time and not breaking any rules so he went to inhumane lenths to force these people out. One such thing was cutting off their heat in the middle of winter. He did other horrible things as well, feel free to read about them later.

You see at the time we weren’t living in such a desensitized culture. When this hit the news people were shocked that anyone could do what this young, son of a rich man, did so callously. The reason the public heard about this is because the tenants filed suit against Trump and won.

After this Trump found himself back in the news for several more not so positive reasons. Back when this country possessed a moral compass that rose above politics pretty much everyone was appalled by the actions of Donald Trump.

During the campaign when people like me were saying surely this guy won’t win the primary. There were younger people and people who either forgot or just didn’t care about the weight to Trump’s soul. I just assumed everyone could see Trump for who he really is but I didn’t factor in that many people would not have the context of living through the complete evolution of Donald Trump. Many people who read those stories from the 80s and 90s today find it all too easy to label it fake news or just mentally categorize it as either “bad, but not that bad” or “ignore”. But if you live through it you know that the man who says the press is the enemy, actually believes what he is saying.

You see, the thing is that Donald Trump really is a horrible person with a giant ego and a boatload if daddy money. The problem is that too many people give him the benefit of the doubt in perpetuity. He never deserved that benefit to begin with. His behavior, character, and actions never changed from the 80s so why would I think that a slumloard rich boy would be fit to be President? Think about it, the man cheated on his wife while she was pregnant with their son with a porn star, is that really the moral character we want to be our top diplomat to the rest of the world?



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 12:29 AM
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a reply to: BlackJackal


You will stir the hornets nest with the above post but you're not far off the mark there, trump is the rich mans champion, everyone else that supports him, is being conned.




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