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Anti-Trumpers are Thought Police, Not Our Moral Superiors.

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posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 09:36 AM
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Recall the Woman’s March in 2017. About 673 marches took place worldwide, drawing the participation of nearly 7 million people in search of catharsis and solidarity following the inauguration of Donald Trump.

But if you were to look for the injustice or atrocity that kicked of these demonstrations you wouldn’t be able to find one. Because, unlike the Million Man March or the self-immolation of Thich Quang Duc, no injustices were being protested there. But when many of the participants showed up wearing certain pink hats, a reference to something Trump once said more than a decade earlier, it became abundantly clear what they were going on about. Trump said something they disapproved of.

Even his fiercest critics have little more than Trump’s breath as their moral weathervane. Fedora-wearing anti-trumper Max Boot reveals to us the extent of his own thought-policing in an article for the Washington Post. To tempt his readers to vote democrat, he reaches into what he believes are Trump’s most egregious crimes and injustices, and almost every time pulls out a mere speech infraction, an instance of Trump saying something Boot does not approve of.

We can add to Boot’s naughty list some of Trump’s most memorable atrocities like “many sides”, “sh*thole countries”, “grab him em by the p-ssy”, “they’re rapists”, “Muslim ban”, “an invasion”, “Russia, if you can find Hillary’s missing emails...”, all of which don’t require any context for their understanding.

Add to that the times he said mean things about such sacred cows as John McCain (a “war hero”), Khizr Kahn (a “gold star family”), Rosie O’Donnel (“a woman”), Admiral McCraven (“a war hero”), Serge Kovaleski (“a disabled reporter”), we have in our midst an outright blasphemer.

If they can’t get him for what he did say, they’ll surely get him for what he didn’t. When he didn’t condemn David Duke, didn’t chastise Vladimir Putin, didn’t chastise Saudi Arabia, or didn’t condemn white nationalists, our superiors yelled racism, white supremacy and treason.

I often get told that I am a Trump cultist because, even after being told of all these sins and injustices, I am still a fan. But then I remember that these are the same people who compared the president to Hitler, Stalin, or Mussolini because of some vague and ahistorical comparisons between a few things he said one time. Even filmmaker Michael Moore had to superimpose Trump’s words over videos of Hitler rallies in his newest movie, unwittingly reminding us there is little beyond fabricated fantasy for their evidence. Maybe they are not the best judges of character.

I find comfort knowing that, so long as they don’t descend into injustice, history looks favorably on the heretics and those who defend them, while painting even the most well-meaning inquisitors as prude, regressive and superstitious.

But we should always bear in mind that the anti-Trumpers are thought police, not our moral superiors.



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posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

When the entire argument fits upon a placard, I tend to not give it much credence.

Much less if it's being shouted in perpetuity.



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 09:55 AM
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Our American Cold Civil War

Try reading this. It's depressing, but it perfectly encapsulates the phenomena you describe, and what is going on between the two sides of the American divide.

It also doesn't offer much hope that we'll find our way out of this very happily either.

But it does offer a rational explanation. When we have this discussion, we aren't even talking the same language with each other anymore.



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 10:14 AM
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a reply to: Propagandalf




But we should always bear in mind that the anti-Trumpers are thought police, not our moral superiors.

Does that mean that anti-Obama's are thought police too , or does it only cut one way ?



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 10:20 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Propagandalf




But we should always bear in mind that the anti-Trumpers are thought police, not our moral superiors.

Does that mean that anti-Obama's are thought police too , or does it only cut one way ?


What about Obama? Yes, if his biggest sins are formed of words and thoughts.



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 10:21 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
Our American Cold Civil War

Try reading this. It's depressing, but it perfectly encapsulates the phenomena you describe, and what is going on between the two sides of the American divide.

It also doesn't offer much hope that we'll find our way out of this very happily either.

But it does offer a rational explanation. When we have this discussion, we aren't even talking the same language with each other anymore.


Good read. It makes sense.



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 10:26 AM
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That was a good read.

I'd like to see more party representation outside of his paradigm. Perhaps then there could be more than just give scenarios that play out.



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 10:29 AM
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I have been a Trump Supporter since well before the 2016 elections. I do find the comments about Admiral McCraven, have crossed a line. The President owes the Admiral a public apology or I am looking for a new candidate to support in 2020. May God have mercy on my soul, as we scraped the bottom of the barrel during the last election.



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 10:38 AM
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People have been projections of what they want people to think of them as for some time now. People have literally turned their social media profiles into their person, or at least present themselves as that even though actions and logical progression of their thoughts are not generally equative .

I said this to a poster suggesting that the issue is people dont talk to a normal Democrat or Republican, ....

"Its not that people dont talk to normal people it's that so many talk through party when discussing societal issues, that in conjunction with people turning political "discussions" into debates that you win with an opinion of what's perceived to be a proper source and the number of likes associated."

There is no such thing as discussion anymore people dont try to understand the people they are talking to, it's a reality brought on us by the "fast pace" of the world as it is now. You see to truly try and understand the person you're talking to you have to know the instances in life that led them to their rationale. Whether they are illogical or irrational to you is irrelevant to their view as life experience has burdened them with a bias of some sort.

All that in duality with a festering 2 party system that both represents no individual, but is seen as arepresentation of everyone. There are many sub groups within the ranks of both continually making power plays within them while trying to remain under the same banner for the sake of the power each group holds. You add in world interventionism into the sovereignty of nations in conjunction with the afforementioned and you get the mess we call politics at this moment in the US.
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posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 10:40 AM
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LoL How dare Trump call McCraven a Hillary backer and say that we mightve caught bin Laden sooner if Pakistan hadn't betrayed us?

LoL is Admiral McCraven a Pakistani?

I know calling someone Hillary backer is a horrible insult, but does he really have to apologize for it?
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posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 10:44 AM
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I found it a good read, but perhaps a little close-minded.

He could have expanded the stage a bit to show that Progressivism is a march towards Globalism, Conservatissm holds as a principle Nationalism.

Which, btw, is exactly how you guage how far a country has swung towards Globalism.

By seeing how the populace views the word Nationalism.

If it is deemed as somehow offensive and used as a pejorative, then you have a good portion of your population that views Globalism as favorable.

Which is the primary reason why the Democrats want no borders .

Sadly, not a lot of the followers of Globalism understand that Globalism is the natural progression of capitalism to socialism to communism.

So yes, we live in interesting times indeed and I have to agree that we are in a cold civil war.


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posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 10:48 AM
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I thought that was kind of a given when he describes the liquid constitution.

The ability to change the foundations of a country with a majority vote without recourse is a terrifying thought.



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 10:50 AM
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a reply to: Propagandalf
I'm a guy but I have to disagree with your post on nearly every point.

So you don't see that if a woman, doing just the same job with the same productivity as a man, automatically earns less, as an an injustice?

Then there is the side to do with attitudes of sexual dominance which leads to crimes like rape, you don't see the injustice there?

These same things if applied to minorities are injustices so surely applying the same to nearly 50% of the population is an even greater injustice.

Donald Trump, through his comments and publicly portrayed lifestyle, clearly embodies sexist attitudes.

In a position of power, he will enact things which are based upon those attitudes and will perpetuate the injustices.

That was what was being protested.

Trump has said, and is attempting to enact, some fairly unjust things. The protesters concerns are validated in Trump's recent actions.

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posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 10:52 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

That was a great read! Anyone who doesn’t see the inherent danger of a “living” Constitution is blind...or lining up who they want to put in their 21st century concentration camps if one is implemented.

Thanks for the link.



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 10:53 AM
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a reply to: JinMI

What wasn't a given in his speech was that you shouldn't view Progressivism as merely a country-wide problem.

They want the whole planet.




posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 11:11 AM
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So you don't see that if a woman, doing just the same job with the same productivity as a man, automatically earns less, as an an injustice?


I do see that as an injustice, yes. If you can find an example of this occurring, I'd be there protesting it with you.


Then there is the side to do with attitudes of sexual dominance which leads to crimes like rape, you don't see the injustice there?


I absolutely do. But when the #metoo movement kicked off, march on hollywood only drew hundreds, maybe a couple thousand.


These same things if applied to minorities are injustices so surely applying the same to nearly 50% of the population is an even greater injustice.

Donald Trump, through his comments and publicly portrayed lifestyle, clearly embodies sexist attitudes.

In a position of power, he will enact things which are based upon those attitudes and will perpetuate the injustices.

That was what was being protested.

Trump has said, and is attempting to enact, some fairly unjust things. The protesters concerns are validated in Trump's recent actions.


Protesting someone's attitude is thought policing. If he legislates sexist or racist policies, again, I will be there protesting with you. Until then...



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Did you read the piece I posted?

We aren't even speaking the same language here.



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 11:13 AM
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originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: JinMI

What wasn't a given in his speech was that you shouldn't view Progressivism as merely a country-wide problem.

They want the whole planet.



Breaking us into component parts via groups identities is part of breaking those old bonds of family and nation via culture. Those are things that are more prone to give you an individual personhood than simply thinking of yourself as a woman and a race and class.



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 11:14 AM
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a reply to: Lumenari

Well of course. Stomp out all dissenting voices by growing a government they call fascist!




posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 11:14 AM
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originally posted by: Nickn3
I have been a Trump Supporter since well before the 2016 elections. I do find the comments about Admiral McCraven, have crossed a line. The President owes the Admiral a public apology or I am looking for a new candidate to support in 2020. May God have mercy on my soul, as we scraped the bottom of the barrel during the last election.


The only line he crossed is your boundaries of acceptable speech. However, all parties involved will survive.



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