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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Save your cute quips... explaining something to you has no further interest to me if you will forget it overnight.
When someone gets shot for throwing a rock at a soldier, remember who is responsible for expanding the military's role... not President Trump. It's Judge Tigar, and he's sitting on a bench in your state.
I'm disappointed in you, Phage. You're better than that.
originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: TheRedneck
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Save your cute quips... explaining something to you has no further interest to me if you will forget it overnight.
Here Redneck - this is very simple and easy to understand. It might help you
When someone gets shot for throwing a rock at a soldier, remember who is responsible for expanding the military's role... not President Trump. It's Judge Tigar, and he's sitting on a bench in your state.
I'm disappointed in you, Phage. You're better than that.
That's just a dishonest and cheesy argument. I wish you were better than this
If someone gets shot for throwing rocks - that's on Trump. The buck stops with him. It was his decision to militarize this entire process :
Trump to Caravan: Rocks Will Be Considered A Firearm, "I Hope" Military Won't Shoot
White House approves military to use lethal force at southern border
Why do you insist on pretending otherwise?
Kelly and Nielsen initially argued against signing the declaration, which granted the military broad authority at the border, telling the president that the move was beyond his constitutional powers. They were vocally opposed by, among others, senior policy adviser Stephen Miller; Chris Crane, president of the National Immigration and Customs Enforcement Council; and Brandon Judd, president of the border patrol union. Also present was Vice President Mike Pence, who did not take a stand on the issue, according to one of the people briefed on the debate.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Zanti Misfit
1) It was not an executive order.
2) It is in direct conflict with a law passed by Congress. Which, under the Constitution, is the only body which can create laws.
Uh, no. It will go back to what it was prior to November 8th. This means regardless of where someone asks for asylum along the border they will still be considered.
You need to check where you get your information because you are dead wrong.
The acting director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement Thomas Homan pressed the "no show" argument on CNN’s Situation Room, before anchor Wolf Blitzer pushed back.
"They'll say the right thing to get released from detention, then they won't show up in court," Homan said June 19. "But they're already in the United States. They're lost in society. They never get removed. So as long as we send the world this message — ‘Come and say the right thing, get released, never to show up in court’ — you're never going to fix this."
According to Justice Department data from the last five available years, around 60 to 75 percent of non-detained migrants have attended their immigration court proceedings. That’s determined by subtracting the percentage of judgments entered against migrants in their absence (known as an in absentia ruling) from total judgments entered.
Also, as I have pointed out in previous threads this entire migrant caravan being a threat to this country is a farce. The Military has already been told that they are being pulled off the border on December 15th. All the troops are expected to be home by Christmas.
All the troops should be home by Christmas, as originally expected, Army Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Buchanan said in an interview Monday.
"Our end date right now is 15 December, and I've got no indications from anybody that we'll go beyond that," said Buchanan, who leads the land forces of U.S. Northern Command.
You may consider that "orderly"; I do not.
The asylum process was fairly orderly until now.
But with his policy effectively removed, he has only one option: use the military fully.
Your refutations are specious.
You confuse the granting of asylum with applying for asylum.
You fail to acknowlege that, without the doctrine of incorporation, none of the bill of rights would apply to the states.
You refuse to acknowledge that, by the converse doctrine, the 14th amendment applies to the federal government.
Deny all you want, it is a fact. Any person within the United States is entitled to due process and equal protection under the Constitution.
That's it, pass the buck. It's Trumps modus, after all. But I don't live in California.
I don't care about your approval.
The law says that anyone within the United States can apply for asylum.
Basing an argument on the written law is now specious?
False.
You have already shown previously where that is not the case, by court ruling.
Has it been successfully challenged?
You assume this converse doctrine is settled law. It is not.
Confirmation bias can do that. You should avoid it.
I was somehow under the impression that Judge Tigar was in Hawaii.
Here Redneck - this is very simple and easy to understand. It might help you
That's just a dishonest and cheesy argument. I wish you were better than this
If someone gets shot for throwing rocks - that's on Trump. The buck stops with him. It was his decision to militarize this entire process :