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posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 10:52 PM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Phage

His Power to Declare Martial Law if Deemed Necessary .




Would you cheer for him if he did?



If it was Necessary , Yes .



Really so you would cheer on trump if he declared martial law... Yikes...
edit on 22-11-2018 by hopenotfeariswhatweneed because: (no reason given)




posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 11:02 PM
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When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 01:13 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Three pages of refuting every single claim you just made, culminating with you yourself admitting that nothing is preventing their application, the United States is not a state, there is no removal of due process for purposes of life or property, and there cannot be any immigration laws if the due process for liberty clause of the 5th Amendment is applied here... and you are using the exact same arguments.

The exact. Same. Arguments.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Save your cute quips... explaining something to you has no further interest to me if you will forget it overnight.

When someone gets shot for throwing a rock at a soldier, remember who is responsible for expanding the military's role... not President Trump. It's Judge Tigar, and he's sitting on a bench in your state.

I'm disappointed in you, Phage. You're better than that.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 04:27 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Yes,as you were saying that the President Trump was now making laws,don't try to divert sounds too liberal,your syntax is showing



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 04:40 AM
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originally posted by: Speedtek
When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross


Fascism has already come to America, and it carries an Antifa sign, and is draped in the cloak of "moral superiority" and pushed by the socialist left



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 07:02 AM
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originally posted by: Oldtimer2
a reply to: Phage

Yes,as you were saying that the President Trump was now making laws,don't try to divert sounds too liberal,your syntax is showing


His biases, as well.



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 08:18 AM
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originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: Speedtek
When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross


Fascism has already come to America, and it carries an Antifa sign, and is draped in the cloak of "moral superiority" and pushed by the socialist left


Er. You realize that antifa LITERALLY means anti-fascism.



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 08:32 AM
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a reply to: Speedtek

So if the KKK started calling themselves "ANTIRA" they wouldn't be racists any more?

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 08:58 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Anti-fascism is an ideology not a group. A group can call themselves whatever the hell they want, it does not mean that they actually use that ideology. The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is not exactly democratic is it?



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 09:02 AM
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a reply to: Speedtek


Anti-fascism is an ideology not a group. A group can call themselves whatever the hell they want, it does not mean that they actually use that ideology. The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is not exactly democratic is it?

That's my point. ANTIFA is not anti-fascist because of their name. They are, actually, fascists because of their actions.

The "asylum seekers" at our border are not seeking asylum because someone calls them that. They are not seeking asylum because of their actions.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 09:21 AM
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Did the shooting start? Did I miss anything?



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 09:39 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Speedtek


Anti-fascism is an ideology not a group. A group can call themselves whatever the hell they want, it does not mean that they actually use that ideology. The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is not exactly democratic is it?

That's my point. ANTIFA is not anti-fascist because of their name. They are, actually, fascists because of their actions.

The "asylum seekers" at our border are not seeking asylum because someone calls them that. They are not seeking asylum because of their actions.

TheRedneck

That was quite a logical leap.



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 09:48 AM
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originally posted by: Speedtek

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: Speedtek
When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross


Fascism has already come to America, and it carries an Antifa sign, and is draped in the cloak of "moral superiority" and pushed by the socialist left


Er. You realize that antifa LITERALLY means anti-fascism.


Uhh you realize their tactics are fascist by the very definition?



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 10:20 AM
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a reply to: Speedtek

That having a name has no effect on actions?

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 11:18 AM
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According to the !951 UN refugee conference and other conventions the accepted protocols is that when a person leaves his natural country either through fear or persecution, he is classed as a misplaced person. They are not legally refugees. They have an obligation to claim refugee status in the first safe country they enter.
They are not refugees just because they say they are. They must prove their case for being persecuted in their own country. If they are successful they will be given refugee status with accompanying paperwork. Refugees need this paperwork to claim asylum without it they are not refugees.
Once refugee status is granted the refugee can travel onward to another country to claim asylum. In the USA s case they must have paperwork proving their refugee status and must be on US territory to claim asylum. They cannot claim asylum in the US from Mexico territory.
There are strict exceptions to this but it's on an individual basis.



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 11:49 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck


This order will transform a now orderly asylum process into the previous disorderly rush to cross the border.


Uh, no. It will go back to what it was prior to November 8th. This means regardless of where someone asks for asylum along the border they will still be considered.


The vast majority never show back up to push their claim for asylum, and of those who do, the vast majority are declined.


You need to check where you get your information because you are dead wrong.


So what do the court attendance rates of asylees look like? While the data is scarce, they show higher rates, compared to when all migrants are tallied together.

One source of data comes from an Obama-era program that released asylees from detention and matched them with case managers who encouraged compliance with court-ordered obligations. As of April, the Family Case Management Program, or FCMP, had 630 enrolled families.

Before the Trump administration ended the program in June, participants had a 100 percent attendance record at court hearings. They also had a 99 percent rate of check-ins and appointments with Immigration and Customs Enforcement, according to a Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General report.

"According to ICE, overall program compliance for all five regions is an average of 99 percent for ICE check-ins and appointments, as well as 100 percent attendance at court hearings," the report said. "Since the inception of FCMP, 23 out of 954 participants (2 percent) were reported as absconders."


Also, as I have pointed out in previous threads this entire migrant caravan being a threat to this country is a farce. The Military has already been told that they are being pulled off the border on December 15th. All the troops are expected to be home by Christmas.

[1] Troops at U.S.-Mexican border to start coming home
[2] Majority of undocumented immigrants show up for court, data shows



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 12:12 PM
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originally posted by: crayzeed
According to the !951 UN refugee conference and other conventions the accepted protocols is that when a person leaves his natural country either through fear or persecution, he is classed as a misplaced person. They are not legally refugees. They have an obligation to claim refugee status in the first safe country they enter.
They are not refugees just because they say they are. They must prove their case for being persecuted in their own country. If they are successful they will be given refugee status with accompanying paperwork. Refugees need this paperwork to claim asylum without it they are not refugees.
Once refugee status is granted the refugee can travel onward to another country to claim asylum. In the USA s case they must have paperwork proving their refugee status and must be on US territory to claim asylum. They cannot claim asylum in the US from Mexico territory.
There are strict exceptions to this but it's on an individual basis.


Good job using the twisting the Refugee Conference to support your views. There is literally nothing in the text of the Refugee Conference that could in any way be construed to mean what you said. The word "misplaced person" doesn't show up at all. Neither does any reference to the first safe country they enter. Allow me to provide the actual text of the Conference and show why it in no way supports Trump's anti-asylum goals.


The Convention further stipulates that, subject to specific exceptions, refugees should not be penalized for their illegal entry or stay. This recognizes that the seeking of asylum can require refugees to breach immigration rules. Prohibited penalties might include being charged with immigration or criminal offences relating to the seeking of asylum, or being arbitrarily detained purely on the basis of seeking asylum. Importantly, the Convention contains various safeguards against the expulsion of refugees. The principle of non-refoulement is so fundamental that no reservations or derogations may be made to it. It provides that no one shall expel or return (“refouler”) a refugee against his or her will, in any manner whatsoever, to a territory where he or she fears threats to life or freedom.


How many of those provisions is Trump and his supporters acting in defiance of?

Also, one of the provisions of the Conference relates directly to keeping the families of asylum seekers together.


The Conference,
considering that the unity of the family, the natural and fundamental group unit of society, is an essential right of the refugee, and that such unity is constantly threatened, and

noting with satisfaction that, according to the official commentary of the ad hoc Committee on Statelessness and Related Problems (E/1618, p. 40), the rights granted to a refugee are extended to members of his family,

recommends Governments to take the necessary measures for the protection of the refugee’s family especially with a view to:

Ensuring that the unity of the refugee’s family is maintained particularly in cases where the head of the family has fulfilled the necessary conditions for admission to a particular country

The protection of refugees who are minors, in particular unaccompanied children and girls, with special reference to guardianship and adoption.


Convention and Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees



posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 12:25 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Speedtek


Anti-fascism is an ideology not a group. A group can call themselves whatever the hell they want, it does not mean that they actually use that ideology. The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is not exactly democratic is it?

That's my point. ANTIFA is not anti-fascist because of their name. They are, actually, fascists because of their actions.

The "asylum seekers" at our border are not seeking asylum because someone calls them that. They are not seeking asylum because of their actions.

TheRedneck


I would really like to know why you think ANTIFA is fascist? Sure ANTIFA is a group of horribly misguided people who perpetrate violence but fascist, really?

Fascism by definition is a political ideology that puts either a nation, person or race above the individual and democratic norms. It usually stands for a centralized autocratic government by a dictatorial leader with forcible suppression of any opposition.

I could make a better argument that Trump and his supporters are far more fascist than ANTIFA.


(post by Nodrak removed for a manners violation)

posted on Nov, 23 2018 @ 01:12 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Your refutations are specious. You confuse the granting of asylum with applying for asylum. You fail to acknowlege that, without the doctrine of incorporation, none of the bill of rights would apply to the states. You refuse to acknowledge that, by the converse doctrine, the 14th amendment applies to the federal government. Deny all you want, it is a fact. Any person within the United States is entitled to due process and equal protection under the Constitution.

Yes, the same arguments. You keep repeating the same specious diversions and refutations.

You claim the court's decision has changed something. It hasn't.


When someone gets shot for throwing a rock at a soldier, remember who is responsible for expanding the military's role... not President Trump. It's Judge Tigar, and he's sitting on a bench in your state.
That's it, pass the buck. It's Trumps modus, after all. But I don't live in California. You can't even get that right.




I'm disappointed in you, Phage. You're better than that.
Don't give me that crap. I don't care about your approval.

edit on 11/23/2018 by Phage because: (no reason given)




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