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Ohio bill to ban abortion

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posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 08:37 PM
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A proposed Ohio law would redefine a person to include 'unborn humans' and could treat abortion like murder

"The law would effectively ban abortions in Ohio and means that women who get them -- and the doctors who perform the procedure -- could be charged with murder and potentially face the death penalty."


The fight that never ends.
Round and round we go........again.

It will probably not pass and if it ever did it will die in court.....

www.google.com...




posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 08:52 PM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

I would not support such a bill. That is just more government overstepping peoples rights. Not cool if you ask me.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 09:01 PM
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When someone kills a pregnant woman, does the murderer ever get charged with TWO counts of murder anymore in the US?



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 09:10 PM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

Unborn children aren't considered individuals.

They are property, subject to the owner.

So basically, if you support abortion, you support slavery.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 09:24 PM
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I'm all for abortion. But the problem isn't whether or not abortion is (or ought to be thought of as) murder. It's that people just don't use common sense when it comes to reproduction. If people had an ounce of common sense in this area the vast majority of pregnancies would never happen in the first place and there would be nothing to debate.

I suppose unwanted pregnancies will always be a problem, as there will always be cases of rape that end in unwanted pregnancies. "Accidents" are getting harder and harder to justify as such, as everyone has ample access to the information they need to prevent accidents and medical technology is more than advanced enough to prevent the vast majority of them if one out of every two sex partners takes the slightest bit of initiative in preventing them.

So it really comes down to stupid people (ignorance really can't be an excuse in most areas of the world), drugs and alcohol. Can't get rid of any of those things with a law. I include religion in the stupid category because getting pregnant because you believe birth control is a sin is stupid.

Most people have no business even trying to reproduce as they have neither the intellectual capacity nor the financial resources to do anything right unless they just accidentally get things right or the child turns out to be smarter than they are and pulls his/her self out of the pit they were born into.
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posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 09:27 PM
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posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 09:35 PM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT
When someone kills a pregnant woman, does the murderer ever get charged with TWO counts of murder anymore in the US?

It depends on the state. Some states consider it an unlawful termination of a pregnancy. Other states call it killing a child in utero. And some states define the in-utero child as a person for the purposes of prosecution.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 09:35 PM
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This olde chestnut...

I’m never going to have one.

You do whatever the hell makes life work for you.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 09:38 PM
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originally posted by: whyamIhere
This olde chestnut...

I’m never going to have one.

You do whatever the hell makes life work for you.

So what if you do on accident?

I personally don't think this law could stand a chance to hold up in court. I'm ethically against abortion, but I don't strongly support an outright ban. Especially for certain circumstances.

ETA: Would this include the day-after pill?
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posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 09:40 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Bluntone22

Unborn children aren't considered individuals.

They are property, subject to the owner.

So basically, if you support abortion, you support slavery.



Ok so I get where your coming from, but for you equate that to slavery is kinda over the top.

I always thought you are for less gubment. Why the change of heart now?



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 09:41 PM
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Anyone here hunt? If so, isn't one of the biggest reasons for hunting overpopulation? It's good for ther deer to have the herd thinned every once in a while. If the population isn't put in check they could destroy the environment around them. I guess the same logic can't be made for humans despite the fact that we are clearly destroying the Earth and its environment.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 09:42 PM
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originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Bluntone22

Unborn children aren't considered individuals.

They are property, subject to the owner.

So basically, if you support abortion, you support slavery.



Ok so I get where your coming from, but for you equate that to slavery is kinda over the top.

I always thought you are for less gubment. Why the change of heart now?


It's gubmint that made murder of unborn babies legal.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 09:43 PM
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originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Bluntone22

Unborn children aren't considered individuals.

They are property, subject to the owner.

So basically, if you support abortion, you support slavery.



Ok so I get where your coming from, but for you equate that to slavery is kinda over the top.

I always thought you are for less gubment. Why the change of heart now?


I stand by the slavery comment.

Embrace it if you support abortion.
*shrug*



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 09:44 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Anyone here hunt? If so, isn't one of the biggest reasons for hunting overpopulation? It's good for ther deer to have the herd thinned every once in a while. If the population isn't put in check they could destroy the environment around them. I guess the same logic can't be made for humans despite the fact that we are clearly destroying the Earth and its environment.

My father has made the same argument. He says he supports in economically. It's a fair point I suppose, but then why not eugenics? Why not assisted suicide? It's definitely murky waters.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 09:46 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Bluntone22

Unborn children aren't considered individuals.

They are property, subject to the owner.

So basically, if you support abortion, you support slavery.



Ok so I get where your coming from, but for you equate that to slavery is kinda over the top.

I always thought you are for less gubment. Why the change of heart now?


It's gubmint that made murder of unborn babies legal.


I have a few tabs up talking about the history about abortion and have some reading to do.
But before I finish I want to ask ya why you feel that abortion should be illegal?(not that you specifically said that) And do you not feel that is gubment overreach?



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 09:48 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Bluntone22

Unborn children aren't considered individuals.

They are property, subject to the owner.

So basically, if you support abortion, you support slavery.



Ok so I get where your coming from, but for you equate that to slavery is kinda over the top.

I always thought you are for less gubment. Why the change of heart now?


I stand by the slavery comment.

Embrace it if you support abortion.
*shrug*
The only slavery I support are the enslaved cats and dog I “own”..... Now I feel bad.


Thanks man



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 09:48 PM
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a reply to: sine.nomine

What's wrong with assisted suicide? Eugenics I can see as being a little too much but assisted suicide? It's better than someone having to go and clean up brain matter splattered all over a wall.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 09:58 PM
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originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Bluntone22

Unborn children aren't considered individuals.

They are property, subject to the owner.

So basically, if you support abortion, you support slavery.



Ok so I get where your coming from, but for you equate that to slavery is kinda over the top.

I always thought you are for less gubment. Why the change of heart now?


It's gubmint that made murder of unborn babies legal.


I have a few tabs up talking about the history about abortion and have some reading to do.
But before I finish I want to ask ya why you feel that abortion should be illegal?(not that you specifically said that) And do you not feel that is gubment overreach?


Not for religion.

Not for "muh feels".

But because I believe that unborn children are individuals and I believe in individual rights.

That's why I am against abortion.

I would be a hypocrite if I felt otherwise.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 09:59 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: sine.nomine

What's wrong with assisted suicide? Eugenics I can see as being a little too much but assisted suicide? It's better than someone having to go and clean up brain matter splattered all over a wall.

I'm personally for the legalization of assisted suicide. Just saying the laws are kinda inconsistent, and thus it's a grey area. And the argument of population control brings a lot of other things into question, such as the topics I listed, but also FDA approval laws, government testing on an unsuspecting populice, etc.

I know those are extreme examples, but once the door is open for that legal precedent then you never know.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 10:02 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Bluntone22

Unborn children aren't considered individuals.

They are property, subject to the owner.

So basically, if you support abortion, you support slavery.



Ok so I get where your coming from, but for you equate that to slavery is kinda over the top.

I always thought you are for less gubment. Why the change of heart now?


It's gubmint that made murder of unborn babies legal.


I have a few tabs up talking about the history about abortion and have some reading to do.
But before I finish I want to ask ya why you feel that abortion should be illegal?(not that you specifically said that) And do you not feel that is gubment overreach?


Not for religion.

Not for "muh feels".

But because I believe that unborn children are individuals and I believe in individual rights.

That's why I am against abortion.

I would be a hypocrite if I felt otherwise.


But to be an individual you have to be able to act as one. Can an unborn child act as an individual? I personally believe not as would the umbilical cord. I personally believe this choice is up to the lady and not the gubment.
I guess at this point we can agree to disagree.




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