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posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 07:36 PM
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originally posted by: BlackJackal

originally posted by: jjkenobi
Not a US citizen.
Not killed in the US.
Not killed by a US citizen.

What part of this warrants the US to be involved, much less cut all ties with another country?

If Trump had come out and immediately cut all ties the media and Liberals would be going nuts that Trump overreacted.

But enjoy another antiTrump thread. On a subject that already has over a dozen posts.


Yeah, screw that guy, he wasn't American so who cares if he dies. Those are the morals that our country should uphold.

He was just a US Resident and a journalist at the Washington Post. His kids are American citizens but it's OK with Trump is a foreign government orders his killing because they don't like what he wrote about them.

We shouldn't care where he lived, or who he was because of the fact that he was murdered for writing an article that the Saudi government didn't approve of. In no way should we be ok with that. But since it's Trump doing it, it's ok.


What exactly should Trump do in your opinion?




posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 07:46 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal

I'm not seeing a way for Trump to declare a win on this.

Should he be the initiator in finally re-examining the truly f'ed up relationship between the US and SA, he would cause a massive ripple effect in both economies toward a downward spiral. Perhaps that is needed, hard for me to say. Hardships not only for our two countries but all allies of. Given the nature of the relationship, how come it is levied at the feet of the US only now?

Acting as he is keeps the peace. I don't like it. You don't like it, but at some point we have to realize that there are plenty of things we don't like. It is the lesser portion of $hit being served at the table.

If not Trump, who will be the one that will carry the weight that will come with ripping off the bandaid on a festering sore?

What would you do in Trumps position?



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 07:52 PM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: BlackJackal

originally posted by: jjkenobi
Not a US citizen.
Not killed in the US.
Not killed by a US citizen.

What part of this warrants the US to be involved, much less cut all ties with another country?

If Trump had come out and immediately cut all ties the media and Liberals would be going nuts that Trump overreacted.

But enjoy another antiTrump thread. On a subject that already has over a dozen posts.


Yeah, screw that guy, he wasn't American so who cares if he dies. Those are the morals that our country should uphold.

He was just a US Resident and a journalist at the Washington Post. His kids are American citizens but it's OK with Trump is a foreign government orders his killing because they don't like what he wrote about them.

We shouldn't care where he lived, or who he was because of the fact that he was murdered for writing an article that the Saudi government didn't approve of. In no way should we be ok with that. But since it's Trump doing it, it's ok.


What exactly should Trump do in your opinion?


At the very least he should release a statement somewhere along the lines of "The USA does not condone the horrific killing of Jamal Khashoggi. We are investigating the incident to determine who perpetrated this heinous crime. Once we are confident in our determination of who is responsible for this atrocity, the USA will respond."

Since, we already know who the perpetrator is, he should put sanctions in place to deter them from doing this in the future. They need our economy alot more than we need theirs.

This is generally how the US responds to things like this. It's not a novel idea.

The worst thing to do would be to release a statement that literally reiterates the Saudi propaganda for kill Jamal. I mean that it just surreal.
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posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 07:56 PM
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A Questionable " Journalist " gets Wacked because he Got Out of Line with his Superiors , so President Trump Must Now Send some kind of Message and Start Another Middle Eastern Military Conflict just Because some other A Hole Journalist is Upset about that ?....GTFOOH................
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posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 08:43 PM
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Why not invade Saudi Arabia and take control of the oil resources?

We've done it to other countries this century, why not Saudi Arabia? Also it was mostly Saudi's on 9/11!

I would see if the Navy would take me back if we had a POTUS with the balls to do this.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 08:45 PM
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a reply to: jrod

Are you a Neo Con by Any Chance ? Just Askin ' ..........



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 08:54 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Amazing they Still have Money to Live on too considering All the Old Peeps SCAMS Out there ...........)






posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 10:09 PM
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I heard Jamal Khashoggi was Muslim Brotherhood supporter of Hamas.

Why should America be concerned for this situation?



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 10:58 PM
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I remember how all these two faced hypocrite Trump supporters lost their # when Obama bowed to the Saudi king. Now they're defending Donnie who is not bowing but is down on all 4 and spreading his butt cheeks in front of Saudi royals.
These people would go nuts if this was done by a D president. There would be 5-6 threads about it on a daily basis



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 10:59 PM
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a reply to: troubleshooter




I heard Jamal Khashoggi was Muslim Brotherhood supporter of Hamas.

From whom?



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 11:00 PM
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originally posted by: troubleshooter
I heard Jamal Khashoggi was Muslim Brotherhood supporter of Hamas.

Why should America be concerned for this situation?


Of course he was. I'm pretty sure that if you look hard enough you'll find out that he was on Soros paylist and was killed just to put Donnie in bad light.


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posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 11:01 PM
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originally posted by: BlackJackal

At the very least he should release a statement somewhere along the lines of "The USA does not condone the horrific killing of Jamal Khashoggi. We are investigating the incident to determine who perpetrated this heinous crime. Once we are confident in our determination of who is responsible for this atrocity, the USA will respond."



I understand you are a word man... I understand after 8 years of Obama saying just the right words, but then doing whatever even 180 degrees from his words is what the left wants...words...say the right words, and we are all good...lol



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 11:02 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: troubleshooter




I heard Jamal Khashoggi was Muslim Brotherhood supporter of Hamas.

From whom?


Anonymous but trustworthy source on Twitter



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 11:03 PM
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a reply to: ErrorErrorError

President says that doesn't count.
thinkprogress.org...



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 11:13 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal

Only thing I really disagree with Mr. Trip about . I don,t care they killed one of their own the way I understand it he went there willingly .But I do believe with all my heart that not Afghanistan or Iraq was the country in middle East we should have occupied it was Saudi Arabia who hit us on 9/11 not Afghanistan or Iraq. This is a proven fact so why did we and why do we still act like they are our friends.? We should have went there and took over and steered them away from a kingdom or a theocracy and we definitely should have secured their oilfields to long have they used their vast wealth to run proxy wars around the world and tried to use their cash to indoctrinate the youth of the world to their dark age mentalities.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 11:19 PM
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Do the Saudis still have oil and gas left? They are likely to try to but into to other places like yemen, that or wait on the tourist industry to get more booming. Though I dont see why anybody would want to go to a place with lots of sand and touchy people.

And trump is still president? Hasn't it been four years yet? Or was it 8 years. I always forget the term numbers. Not like it mattered one iota who won, or that it would matter who will be next president. But the show must go on, I suppose.

America has been running on middle east oil and gas simply because its more convenient to use up somebody else's resources first. Before you use yours up. Russian and China have plenty in that department as well, and this fossil fuel economy will go only as long as fossil fuels are still around.

The rest is just politics. Which just means stupid stuff the many ticks, the only thing you will achieve is being covered in rashes. The world spins on stupid, I suppose.

I don't see why anybody would want to kill of journalists, thatch just a waste of time. And if your culture and civilization is threatened by a guy on tube writing a story. Boy are you in the wrong business. But anyways, waste of energy and time. And that is the name of the game known as politics and governance.


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posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 11:27 PM
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Not a fan of DJ Trump; didn't vote for him. Won't next time

But I can't even begin to believe the CIAs expert analysis of any foreign policy situation. They have tried to contriol the last three presidents; they went easy on Obama because he let them write foreign policy, and Hilary did what they told her.


Remember the yellow-cake uranium thing in Africa? That whole schtick was a set up for the Bush White House, because he wouldn't let them depose Saddam, and Bush invaded with the army instead.

The CIA screwed Clinton in Somalia, they screwed over Bush because of the invasion in Iraq in 2003, even when he sacrificed army personnel in the Abu Ghraib scandal to cover for CIA torturing prisoners. the CIA has cut their own deal with Iran and told Obama to push on with the nuke deal, regardless---because CIA's "brother agencies". In UK,France, Sweden and Germany had cut their own lucrative deals with Iran.

So yeah, them telling the current president how to feel about a done deal from Sa'ud doesn't really impress.

Bin Salmon is Iran's archnemisis in the Middle East; so yeah, the CIA wants him to go. And they are ordering the president to help the process along.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 11:34 PM
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originally posted by: troubleshooter
I heard Jamal Khashoggi was Muslim Brotherhood supporter of Hamas.

Why should America be concerned for this situation?


You really shouldn't trust whoever told you that. That is nothing but a straight up lie that came straight from Trump's lips.


The third problem is Trump’s method. In defending his decision, he decided to allude to bogus claims that Khashoggi was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, while adding “but my decision is in no way based on that.” Okay, so why mention it? This was essentially Trump passing along smears of a slain journalist on behalf of Saudi Arabia, while also giving it a pass on the whole thing. It’s difficult to think how he could have made this even more painful for Khashoggi’s family, but he found a way.


America should be concerned about this situation because he was an American resident and in essence this was an attack on American sovereignty.


But Khashoggi was a legal resident of the United States, and he was working for an American newspaper — The Washington Post — as a contributing columnist. This was, to an extent, an attack on American sovereignty. And implicit in Trump’s justifications for not holding the Saudi royals accountable is the idea that it’s simply not worth the sacrifice — that Saudi Arabia has too much leverage through its arms deals and control of the world oil supply. Trump used fanciful statistics about the amount of money Saudi Arabia has injected in the American economy, the number of jobs it would create, and suggested oil would go to $150 per barrel if the Saudis were punished.


Almost everything Trump just said about Saudi Arabia and Jamal Khashoggi is wrong or overly simplistic



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 12:53 AM
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Trump is right on. The Las Vegas was a hit on the Crown Prince. It was a diversion on a direct hit the Crown Prince owns the Helicopter Port and the first top 4 floors. Remember right after the Crown Prince arrested several of his family members who Tried to Kill him.



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 01:00 AM
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More About The Las Vegas Shootings
By Chuck Baldwin
October 12, 2017



My, what a difference a week makes.

Police have dramatically altered their original timeline and sequence of events, which only makes the official story regarding the Las Vegas shootings all the more unbelievable. More on that further down.

First, here are some additional questions that I did not broach in last week’s column.

See my initial column on the Las Vegas shootings here:

The Las Vegas Shootings

1. Where are the hundreds or thousands of spent cartridges on Stephen Paddock’s hotel floor?

In the photos of the suite that have been released to the public, we see maybe a few dozen shell casings scattered around the room (including next to the body)...WHAT BODY? I ONLY SAW PICTURES OF WHAT LOOKED LIKE THE VERY LOWER PART OF SOME LEGS AND FEET--WHO'S BODY WAS ABOVE THEM, SOMEONE ALIVE OR EVEN SOMEONE OTHER THAN MR. PADDOCK??... but nothing close to the multiple hundreds of expended cartridges that had to have been on the floor if Mr. Paddock did what authorities are saying he did.

Think about it: according to published reports, 58 people were killed in this attack, and over 500 were wounded. In order to achieve that many casualties, the shooter would have had to have fired around 1,000 rounds (minimum) in just ten minutes with a modified semi-automatic rifle (or rifles). An amazing feat. In fact, it is an all but impossible feat.

A quick note on the “bump stocks”: the White House and U.S. Congress are signaling that they are going to ban “bump stocks.” And, of course, the compromising NRA is supporting this additional gun control measure. But people who know what they are doing can accomplish the same result as a “bump stock” with a stiff rubber band. That’s right: a stiff rubber band. What’s next: banning rubber bands?

You and I both know the ultimate objective is the banning of all semi-automatic rifles. That’s the goal of Marxists, globalists, and everyone within the establishment elite who desires to strip America of its independence and national sovereignty. I have said it repeatedly: the greatest deterrence to the collapse of freedom in the Western world is an armed U.S. citizenry. Take away semi-automatic rifles from the American citizenry and the entire Western world would plunge into five hundred years of tyranny—and globalist elites KNOW IT.

But back to the discussion at hand:

If Paddock was the “lone wolf” gunman, there would have to be around 1,000 shell casings on the floor of his hotel room. It would literally be almost impossible to walk around a room covered with so many casings. So, where are they?

2. Why do so many witnesses who were at the scene report shooters in so many different locations?

Those who have bothered to do more than simply sit like zombies in front of network television news reports have heard numerous—and I mean numerous—witnesses on the ground say that there was more than one shooter. I have had people write me from Las Vegas who had relatives and close friends at the concert who told me that they are swearing that there were multiple shooters. Yet spokesmen for law enforcement and, of course, the talking heads and news anchors in the national media act like these witnesses do not even exist. Why?

3. Why do so many police officers who were at the scene report shooters in so many different locations?

Not only have concertgoers and others near the concert repeatedly said that there were multiple shooters but so did the police officers who initially arrived at the scene.

Here are excerpts from the transcript of the police scanner during the first eight-plus minutes of the shooting from police officers at the scene to the police dispatcher:

I see the shots coming from Mandalay Bay. Half way up.

We have an active shooter inside the fairgrounds.

Shots are coming for coming from Gate 7. Gate 7. Shots are coming from Gate 7.

It’s coming from like the uh 50 or 60th floor

I’m seeing local flashes in the middle of Mandalay Bay on the north side kind of uh on the west tower but towards the center of the casino.

I'm inside the Mandalay Bay on the 31st floor. I can hear the automatic fire coming from one floor ahead. One floor above us. [This is the only initial police call that identifies the shooter as being on the 32nd floor.]

A flashing coming up from about a third of the way up, center tower Mandalay Bay.

We can't worry about victims, we need to stop the shooter before we have more victims. Anybody have eyes on the shooter?

About 15th floor on the Mandalay Bay facing a whole lot.

Hear the police scanner recording:

Initial Radio Traffic - Las Vegas,NV

Why hasn’t law enforcement clarified these shooter sightings by Las Vegas police officers? Were all of these police officers saying they saw shootings where none existed? Are Las Vegas policemen that poorly trained? Is it common for police officers to say they see a shooter where no shooter exists? If that’s the case, we need serious improvement in our law enforcement training procedures.

Police reported a shooter “half way up.” (That would be around the 21st or 22nd floor.)

Police reported a shooter “inside the fairgrounds.”

Police reported a shooter at “Gate 7.”

Police reported a shooter between the “50 and 60th floor.” (This officer was obviously saying somewhere at the top, which could mean the 32nd floor, as the Mandalay Bay Hotel only has 43 floors.)

Police reported a shooter “in the middle of Mandalay Bay.” (That would be around 21st or 22nd floor. That’s the second police officer identifying a shooter at this location.)

Police reported a shooter “about a third of the way up.” (That would be around the 14th or 15th floor.)

Police reported a shooter “about 15th floor on the Mandalay Bay.” (This is a second police officer reporting a shooter at this location.)

Why hasn’t the mainstream media asked about these police sightings? Are they that inept about journalistic investigation, or are they just that apathetic? It’s because the national mainstream media are merely propagandists for the government. That’s why. But I digress.

4. Where did the shots come from that went through the front doors at the Bellagio Hotel Casino (and other casinos)?

Numerous eyewitnesses inside the Bellagio (and other hotels) said shots came through the front door. If this is true, it is absolutely impossible for any of those bullets to have been fired from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel. Police have said absolutely NOTHING about these incidents? Why not?

5. Where is the Ruger bolt-action .308 caliber rifle that Paddock purchased only a few hours before the shootings?

That rifle has shown up nowhere. It wasn’t reported being in his room, in his car, or in his home. What happened to that rifle?

6. Why would Paddock need to break out two windows, including in the suite and in the adjoining room?



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