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Trump stands up for Saudi Arabia

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posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:34 PM
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a reply to: Painterz

Now maybe the people I was hanging around were just more open minded than the people you hang out with...

But I was living in Europe 2 years before trump and just left this last August, and the opinion of europeans I saw daily hadnt changed...for the most part if anyone started on trump I would ask about May, or Corbyn, Merkel, Junker etc and that usually lead to them nodding and going ok we have bad leaders also.
ETA: but there opinion of America or its people really hadnt changed a single bit.
edit on 21-11-2018 by Irishhaf because: finish a thought.




posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:37 PM
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originally posted by: Painterz

You should care. Being a nation of assholes following a bigger asshole because it's 'funny and lulz at the libruhls' has real world consequences with other countries around the world.

You clearly don't care how America is perceived around the world, so long as you get to feel like you're bullying libruhls and making they cry those salty tears you enjoy so much, but that will have consequences in the long run. It's already had serious consequences. Those consequences will just get worse.

But hey, so long as Trump supporters enjoy being assholes, that's not going to change.


they should care but they dont.
its clear

across the board when it comes to trump and all his bull#

look at the Ivanka thing.
comments like "i will care when hillary gets locked up"

when it comes to Antifa and their violence

"i sure wish they would come to my town and try their #"

they dont care man.

they want their guns.
they want the queers out
they want the brown people to stop coming
they want to feel big and tough and masculine and LOL at everyone else

thats what i see on these boards.

could be wrong but its what i see

but obama. but this. but that
as long as a liberal is upset

its all bull#



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:41 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: BlackJackal

Are you willing to pay more per gallon just so some Arab prince gets an additional, American voice castigating him for killing an individual who had no citizenship connection to this country? I'm not. Holy hell, I supported middle eastern wars in the hopes gas prices would ultimately go down after them... as did many Americans, so who the hell is Khashoggi in the grand scheme of things beyond just one more dead man in a long, long history of dead men in that region?


You act like we get all of our oil from Saudi Arabia. If we put sanctions on them there would be very little impact on the price of gas. (Also, I can't believe that your main concern is the freaking price of gas instead of morally doing the right thing, I guess that tells me a little more about what type of person you are) We get 11% of our oil imports from Saudi Arabia but oil exports make up 87% of their economy. If we cut our imports from Saudi Arabia from 11% to 7-9% that would do very little to our economy but it would have a major impact on their economy.

Also, this argument about your gas prices doesn't jive with the fact that Trump and his supporters have been completely fine with the price of many goods going up and crops rotting in their fields due to his trade war.

Economy of Saudi Arabia
Petroleum in the United States
Crops are rotting in fields as Trump's trade war bites US farmers



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:44 PM
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a reply to: TinySickTears

Well, at least your mood is right



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:44 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: BlackJackal

Are you willing to pay more per gallon just so some Arab prince gets an additional, American voice castigating him for killing an individual who had no citizenship connection to this country? I'm not. Holy hell, I supported middle eastern wars in the hopes gas prices would ultimately go down after them... as did many Americans, so who the hell is Khashoggi in the grand scheme of things beyond just one more dead man in a long, long history of dead men in that region?
Whoa! Smack of some hard truths there, lmfao.

This.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:45 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal

I would say Trump stood up for money, thats what was to be expected, surely?

Money over morals maybe the more pressing story, but he is a politician, not himself averse to a dip in the swamp every now and then



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:45 PM
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originally posted by: Middleoftheroad

originally posted by: okrian

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad


Where was your outrage when Obama allowed $112 Billion in arms deals with Saudi Arabia? Did your heroes at CNN fail to inform their viewers as usual?



We can go on for days posting Obama's crap that was OK with everyone prior to Trump..So Trump iust just an A-hole...lol



Obama has promised to veto a bill that Congress passed unanimously allowing families of 9/11 victims to sue Saudi Arabia over alleged links to the 2001 terrorist attacks.


Yea, I'd rather have someone that is considered an "asshole" because he looks at the bigger picture instead of reacting to everything out of emotion and screwing over 100's of millions of people.


Except in this instance "bigger picture" just means feeding the MIC and his corporatist pals. So much for draining the swamp... but we've known that someone who is swampy by nature was never going to drain any swamp.

Trump is, for the most part, all emotion, so this comment is a tad ill-placed. That said, this is one of the few rare instances that Trump isn't acting solely out of emotion (although he didn't like the journalist murdered... so I'm sure his petty vindictive side is having some say on this one too).

I'd rather not have someone that is a spiteful asshole. Way too many decisions/rants/lies based solely out of being a emotional dck and not with the country (or facts) in mind.


Obviously, you aren't paying attention. I could care less about some random guy who got killed doing his dangerous job. People get killed for worse all the time. Throwing away 100's of Billions in deals and exploding the cost of gas over 1 guy compared to the millions that have died in that region is the definition of being emotional about it. Trump is looking at the real picture of gas prices swelling to unaffordable prices.


Ok, so your (Trump's) approach to this is big picture? Let's take a look at that then... what about the big picture of SA and what our support for them means? What about the big picture of the damage it does to our country to constantly support terrible regimes, theocratic tyrannies, and human rights abusers for MIC $$$? And before you start yelling "but Obama", I hold all of them to the same standard. They are all treasonous for putting the MIC and money-buddies before country. Alliances with horrid countries does not benefit us in the long run... big picture.

So, pay attention, or could you just "care less"? Give me a break with gas prices. Jesus.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:52 PM
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originally posted by: BlackJackal

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: BlackJackal

Are you willing to pay more per gallon just so some Arab prince gets an additional, American voice castigating him for killing an individual who had no citizenship connection to this country? I'm not. Holy hell, I supported middle eastern wars in the hopes gas prices would ultimately go down after them... as did many Americans, so who the hell is Khashoggi in the grand scheme of things beyond just one more dead man in a long, long history of dead men in that region?


You act like we get all of our oil from Saudi Arabia. If we put sanctions on them there would be very little impact on the price of gas. (Also, I can't believe that your main concern is the freaking price of gas instead of morally doing the right thing, I guess that tells me a little more about what type of person you are) We get 11% of our oil imports from Saudi Arabia but oil exports make up 87% of their economy. If we cut our imports from Saudi Arabia from 11% to 7-9% that would do very little to our economy but it would have a major impact on their economy.

Also, this argument about your gas prices doesn't jive with the fact that Trump and his supporters have been completely fine with the price of many goods going up and crops rotting in their fields due to his trade war.

Economy of Saudi Arabia
Petroleum in the United States
Crops are rotting in fields as Trump's trade war bites US farmers
Lmfao, whoa look at you! Somehow, you managed to rope in trade as well, lol.

Honestly, you're getting so decimated in your own garbage bin that you have to rope in other anti trump issues to rile up the few leftist audience members.

Boooooo.
edit on 21-11-2018 by Arnie123 because: Heh



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:52 PM
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originally posted by: Mandroid7
a reply to: TinySickTears

Well, at least your mood is right


in a great mood
4 days off
enjoying some 'medicine'

operation spicy italian from subway is about to be a go

life is good sir



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:56 PM
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Most of our politicians have supported the Saudis for a long time. They are all scum including Trump. One murder makes little difference.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:56 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: notsure1
You guys are all so smart tell me what you think Trump should do? got to war? sanctions? nuke em?

ruin any relations with SA? What do you think Obama would have done? Tell them to "cut it out" lmao.



"I would just bomb those suckers, and that's right, I'd blow up the pipes, I'd blow up the refineries, I'd blow up every single inch, there would be nothing left.

And you know what, you'll get Exxon to come in there, and in two months, you ever see these guys? How good they are, the great oil companies, they'll rebuild it brand new... And I'll take the oil."


Donald Trump 2016


Is that what you think he should do?

I notice none of you had an answer for what you think he should do or what Obama would have done.

You just want to say retarded shi like" hes a dick."

Well of course he's a dick he is an old white billionaire .

Why would anyone want a "nice guy" for Commander and Chief" And POTUS.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: notsure1

I'd actually be for Trump bombing them. But we all know that was complete bs from the beginning.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 02:01 PM
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originally posted by: BlackJackal


So is this really your argument "Trump didn't do anything about Saudi Arabia, but that's ok because Obama didn't do enough to Russia"?



No, my argument, and you fit the bill exactly, is everything people bitch about Trump over was a non-issue by the same people prior to Trump... We can match up quite nicely all these Trump complaints with pass Presidents that did the same or worst and for those past Presidents it was crickets as a response....

What is worst, is when other examples are used they are ignored, like the left has only a 2 year memory.

As example, all this "oh the horror" over Trump's involvement with a porn star over a decade before he was President with the whole left in a up roar, while Clinton F'ed everything that moved while BEING President, including raping and that all is a non-issue or one "that shall not be named" kind of mentality.




edit on 21-11-2018 by Xtrozero because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 02:04 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: BlackJackal


Putin murders journalists, poisons his critics on foreign soil and Trump shrugs and says "We aren't so good either". Kim Jong Un starves, tortures and brutally murders his people, Trumps says "He's a smart cookie. We fell in love". Duarte advocates for murder and rape of his citizens and Trump enjoys a loves song from him during a banquet meal. Saudi Royalty murders a journalist critical of their policies, and Trump thanks them for lowering our gas prices, while considering turning an exiled human rights advocate and witness over to Erdogan in exchange for not telling the world what Trump and Kushner knew about Khashoggi's murder.

MAGA!


Well at least Trump embraces America's true nature as a cold uncaring empire.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 02:04 PM
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a reply to: notsure1




Is that what you think he should do?


Saudis were responsible for 911. Saudi Arabia is state sponsored terrorism. Like ISIS, they behead their opponents and oppress their own people. Yes. I think we should bomb them into the stone age. Save Mecca, but the Saudis, they have no redeeming qualities.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: notsure1




Is that what you think he should do?


Saudis were responsible for 911. Saudi Arabia is state sponsored terrorism. Like ISIS, they behead their opponents and oppress their own people. Yes. I think we should bomb them into the stone age. Save Mecca, but the Saudis, they have no redeeming qualities.


I thought Dems didnt like war. So all Muslims are bad? Or just all Muslims in S.A. need to die?

Do you just not like brown people in general?
edit on 21-11-2018 by notsure1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 02:09 PM
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originally posted by: okrian



Ok, so your (Trump's) approach to this is big picture? Let's take a look at that then... what about the big picture of SA and what our support for them means? What about the big picture of the damage it does to our country to constantly support terrible regimes, theocratic tyrannies, and human rights abusers for MIC $$$?


You know it is not like we pick a crappy country over a bunch of good ones to support... ALL THE COUNTRIES over there are the same, so how about you pick? Or do we not work with any of them and go pure isolationist? That got us into WWII BTW...

It is sad that SA might be the lessor of many evils but that is the way of the world. If you haven't noticed that last two times Iraq/Afghanistan that we tried to "change" things all it did was make matters worst while not changing a single thing that cost us trillions and 1000s of American lives for basically nothing.








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posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 02:10 PM
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originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: BlackJackal

Are you willing to pay more per gallon just so some Arab prince gets an additional, American voice castigating him for killing an individual who had no citizenship connection to this country? I'm not. Holy hell, I supported middle eastern wars in the hopes gas prices would ultimately go down after them... as did many Americans, so who the hell is Khashoggi in the grand scheme of things beyond just one more dead man in a long, long history of dead men in that region?
Whoa! Smack of some hard truths there, lmfao.

This.


Really? So we should forgo alll morals in favor of gas prices? Allow trump to compliment and excuse dictators who murder and torture at will?

Obviously this stuff isn't new, but Trump isn't even subtle. He boldly embraces a friendship with monsters.

Maybe this is why people hate Americans? They don't give a sh!t what their empire does as long as they can live comfortably.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 02:11 PM
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SA is immune - If 9-11 didn't matter, why would this.

Trump is setting up his post presidency business connections.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 02:12 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal

Have you ever heard of OPEC? The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) effectively set the exchange rates where oil is concerned because they dominate the market, producing over 60% of internationally traded oil.

While OPEC calls itself a cooperative of equals in which all member states are given equal weight, reality is that Ali bin Ibrahim al-Naimi possessed almost unquestioned authority among representatives of the 12 ranking member states on the council for many years. Who is he?
en.wikipedia.org...

he Saudi Arabian Minister of Petroleum and Mineral Resources from 1995 to 2016.


Who replaced him in 2016, I wonder?

Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman replaced Al-Nami.
en.wikipedia.org...

So now not only do we have Saudi Arabia as the default leader of OPEC, setting policy and manipulating prices, we have the very man you're wanting to see the US interfere with and call a murderer running the godamned show. You're not dumb, I know you can connect the dots here and see that no, pissing off Saudi Arabia would most certainly not "do very little to our economy."

The reporter's killing is an internal matter between Saudi Arabia and Turkey... that's it. If my position on this says anything about me, it's simply that I believe this country needs to mind our own business, especially when doing so benefits us far more than butting in does.



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