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The 6,000 years cited in the Bible is ridiculous
originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
A nice little list of transitional fossilS - note that there are a lot of them and this barely scratches the surface.
originally posted by: Phantom423
My point was that the missing links are missing a majority of their bones. It is a faith-based assumption that these are transition fossils because there is not enough of the skull to properly identify the organism. Even the complete organisms of fish and birds that they claim are transition fossils cannot be verified as transition fossils, they are simply left to the assumption that they must be transition fossils because evolution must be true. It is a religion based on circuitous logic
Not too far from a reality considering the soft tissue found in dinosaur remains. All the concrete, verifiable, observable evidence points to the faultiness of the theory of evolution.
originally posted by: Phantom423
I understand your position and perhaps it has some merit. Why not write a letter to the authors of the paper? I'm not being facetious, I'm quite serious. There's nothing wrong about asking questions. In fact, that's a critical part of the discovery process. The only caveat in this case would be that you would have to be prepared to respond to the argon-argon assay performed in 1992 at the University of Toronto. Evidence is additive so even if part of the skull was missing, other data can rightfully be used to backup the research.
originally posted by: cooperton
originally posted by: Phantom423
I understand your position and perhaps it has some merit. Why not write a letter to the authors of the paper? I'm not being facetious, I'm quite serious. There's nothing wrong about asking questions. In fact, that's a critical part of the discovery process. The only caveat in this case would be that you would have to be prepared to respond to the argon-argon assay performed in 1992 at the University of Toronto. Evidence is additive so even if part of the skull was missing, other data can rightfully be used to backup the research.
There is a lot of subjectivity in regards to taxonomy. My main dissent would be that, given the incompleteness of these supposed pre-human samples, we should not jump the gun and assume they are a missing link. Many scientists are quick to conclude that they have found something supporting the evolutionary time frame, even if it there is not enough sample to make any objective realizations.
If new researchers are under the impression that evolution has to be true and is fact then they will ignore empirical evidence that demonstrates the contrary. In this way, I believe this theory has gotten out of hand. The incomplete nature of these supposed missing links is what disturbs me, especially since it is considered in the mainstream as if there is an abundance of unambiguous transition fossils.
"The earliest records we have of human history go back only about 5,000 years."—*World Book Encyclopedia, 1966 edition, Vol. 6, p. 12.
originally posted by: cooperton
originally posted by: Phantom423
I understand your position and perhaps it has some merit. Why not write a letter to the authors of the paper? I'm not being facetious, I'm quite serious. There's nothing wrong about asking questions. In fact, that's a critical part of the discovery process. The only caveat in this case would be that you would have to be prepared to respond to the argon-argon assay performed in 1992 at the University of Toronto. Evidence is additive so even if part of the skull was missing, other data can rightfully be used to backup the research.
There is a lot of subjectivity in regards to taxonomy. My main dissent would be that, given the incompleteness of these supposed pre-human samples, we should not jump the gun and assume they are a missing link. Many scientists are quick to conclude that they have found something supporting the evolutionary time frame, even if it there is not enough sample to make any objective realizations.
If new researchers are under the impression that evolution has to be true and is fact then they will ignore empirical evidence that demonstrates the contrary. In this way, I believe this theory has gotten out of hand. The incomplete nature of these supposed missing links is what disturbs me, especially since it is considered in the mainstream as if there is an abundance of unambiguous transition fossils.
originally posted by: edmc^2
This also brings up an interesting point. That is, if mankind is about 6000 years and there are 1000 years left to complete the “seventh day”, then this makes each “creative day” 7000 years. So IF this timeline is consistent throughout the entire creative days, each “day” then corresponds to 7000 years. 7000 years x 6 = 42,000 years it took to make the earth into a habitable place.
The Bible frequently uses the term “day” to designate various periods of time. In some cases these periods are of an unspecified length. The account of creation found in the Bible book of Genesis is one example of this.
Young Earth (YE) proponents argue:
"The Bible says, God created the earth in 6 days and since each day is 1000 years, therefore, the earth is 6000 years old."
www.sacred-texts.com...
This article and the two following ones describe and evaluate the different means of radioactive dating used by geologists to measure the ages of rocks and the remains of once-living organisms. They have been prepared by a nuclear physicist of many years’ experience in both research and industry in the field of radioactivity.
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...radioactive decay rates have been shown to be unaffected by the extremes of external conditions.
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The Uranium-Lead Clock
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How Certain Are They?
We must admit that the dating process isn’t quite as simple as we have described it. We mentioned that the rock has to be free from lead at the beginning. This is usually not the case; there is some lead to start with. This gives the rock what is called a built-in age, something more than zero. Also, we assumed that the uranium was tightly sealed in the rock so that nothing could get in or out. Sometimes this may be true but not always. Over long periods of time, some of the lead or the uranium might seep out into groundwater. Or more uranium or lead might get in, especially if it is a sedimentary rock. For this reason, the uranium-lead clock works best on igneous rocks.
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The Potassium-Argon Clock
The one that has been most widely used is the potassium-argon clock. ... Required conditions for the potassium-argon clock to work are the same as explained above: The potassium must be free of argon when the clock is started, that is, when the mineral is formed. And the system must remain sealed for the duration, allowing no potassium or argon to escape or enter.
How well does the clock work in practice? Sometimes very well but at other times poorly. It sometimes gives ages greatly different from those of the uranium-lead clock. Usually, these are smaller; such results are attributed to loss of argon. But in other rocks, the potassium and uranium ages agree very closely.
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Paleontologists Try to Date the Fossils
Paleontologists have attempted to copy the geologists’ success in dating rocks only a few million years old. Some of their fossils, they believe, might fall in that age range. Alas, the potassium-argon clock does not work so well for them! Of course, fossils are not found in igneous rocks but only in sediments, and for these radiometric dating is usually not trustworthy.
An illustration of this is when fossils have been buried in a thick fall of volcanic ash that has later been consolidated to form a tuff. This is actually a sedimentary stratum, but it is made of igneous matter that solidified in the air. If it can be dated, it will serve to give the age of the fossil enclosed in it.
Such a case was found in the Olduvai Gorge in Tanzania, where fossils of apelike animals attracted special attention because their finders claimed they were linked to humans. First measurements of argon in the volcanic tuff in which the fossils were found showed an age of 1.75 million years. But later measurements at another qualified laboratory gave results a half million years younger. Most disappointing to evolutionists was the finding that the ages of other layers of tuff, above and below, were not consistent. Sometimes the upper layer had more argon than the one below it. But this is all wrong, geologically speaking—the upper layer had to be deposited after the lower and should have less argon.
The conclusion was that “inherited argon” was spoiling the measurements. Not all the argon previously formed had been boiled out of the molten rock. The clock had not been set to zero. If only one tenth of 1 percent of the argon previously produced by the potassium was left in the rock when it melted in the volcano, the clock would be started with a built-in age of nearly a million years. As one expert put it: “Some of the dates must be wrong, and if some are wrong maybe all of them are wrong.”
Notwithstanding expert opinions that these dates may be quite meaningless, the original age of 1.75 million years for the Olduvai fossils continues to be quoted in popular magazines committed to evolution. They give the lay reader no warning that such ages are really no more than guesses.
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The Dating of Dinosaurs
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One method being used to measure the age of fossils is called radiocarbon dating. This dating system measures the rate of decay of radioactive carbon from the point of death of the organism. “Once an organism dies, it no longer absorbs new carbon dioxide from its environment, and the proportion of the isotope falls off over time as it undergoes radioactive decay,” states Science and Technology Illustrated.
However, there are severe problems with the system. First, when the fossil is considered to be about 50,000 years old, its level of radioactivity has fallen so low that it can be detected only with great difficulty. Second, even in more recent specimens, this level has fallen so low that it is still extremely difficult to measure accurately. Third, scientists can measure the present-day rate of radioactive carbon formation but have no way of measuring carbon concentrations in the distant past.
So whether they use the radiocarbon method for dating fossils or other methods, such as employing radioactive potassium, uranium, or thorium, for dating rocks, scientists are unable to establish the original levels of those elements through ages of time. Thus, professor of metallurgy Melvin A. Cook observes: “One may only guess these concentrations [of radioactive materials], and the age results thus obtained can be no better than this guess.” That would especially be so when we consider that the Flood of Noah’s day over 4,300 years ago brought enormous changes in the atmosphere and on earth.
Dartmouth College geologists Charles Officer and Charles Drake further add doubt to the accuracy of radioactive dating. They state: “We conclude that iridium and other associated elements were not deposited instantaneously . . . but rather that there was an intense and variable influx of these constituents during a relatively short geologic time interval on the order of 10,000 to 100,000 years.” They argue that the breakup and movement of the continents disrupted the entire globe, causing volcanic eruptions, blocking sunlight and fouling the atmosphere. Certainly, such disruptive events could change radioactivity levels, thus distorting results from modern-day radioactive clocks.