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reply posted on 13-12-2006 @ 05:13 AM by Sol
Hello everyone,

I'm sorry I missed the heated discussion here from a few months ago. This is a subject I'm currently researching and writing about, but I must've been asleep that week. (:-)

"Fraternal orders" in general have since the days of antiquity been a familiar vessel for spreading Enlightenment in a Dark Age. During the barbaric Middle Ages in Europe in particular, such orders formed the backbone for carrying on the "mystical-alchemical" traditions of Ancient Hermetical Science, when discussing such things in public could quickly get one burned at the stake. This "hermetic science" was basically an enlightened philosophy for its time, and involved such heretical and forbidden ideas as the fact that the Earth is not the center of the Universe but merely one planet in a whole Solar System.

Fraternities in the US carried on this tradition of Knowledge and Culture, and many of them began in discussion groups on philosophy and literature. Some, like Kappa Sigma, do not hide their connection with influential figures of the late Middle Ages like Manuel Chrisoloras, who, along with some contemporaries, paved the way for the Reformation and eventually to our Age of Reason today. Part of the emblem of Kappa Sigma is the Caduceus, the Staff of Hermes, which incorporates some of the the most ancient "alchemical" symbols known to Man. This is the only fraternity (to my knowledge), other than the Medical one, to use this symbol.

Perhaps it will be possible to resurrect this discussion and get some further opinions on this. If the poster "chrisoloras" is still subscribed to this forum, I would particularly be very interested to get in contact with you.

My very best,
Sol



reply posted on 25-12-2006 @ 12:44 AM by M74
Well, as an active Beta hailing from a chapter that originated as one of the Mystic Seven temples, I can't get into the specifics regarding the lore (as I have made such a pledge not to reveal it), but I can clear up some of the origins and it's history.

The Mystic Seven were formed as a literary society, in part to break away from other (open) literary societies that the original seven men fell out of favor with and disagreed with, and in part influenced by the rise of masonry. The Mystic Seven, I should point out, is in no way shape or form directly related to masonry in its origin. Many Mystics familiar with the founders motives would tend to describe its founding as more of their own vision of what masonry offered, in their own image. It was founded not so much as an "anti-masonry" society so much as an alternative. Their own secret society with its own meaning. They are very different in their overall views.

The confusion between Mystics connection to both Beta and DKE comes from the civil war. The Mystic temples were damaged greatly leading up to and during the way, as members left to fight and meetings were put on indefinite hold. After the war, the first Temple (Temple of the Wand) began to re-examine their standing as a society, and began looking for alternative ways to exist as a brotherhood. They originally turned to DKE, and were rejected for admission three times. Some time went by, and eventually circumstances cause the Temple of the Wand to split into two groups. There were those who we consider the traitors, those who split, and they petitioned separately for admission to DKE, and were eventually accepted and formed a new chapter. The true Mystics of Temple of the Wand still remained, however. Despite this, the Temple of the Scroll and Pen followed the traitors' lead, and also chose to petition separately for admission to DKE, and formed a new chapter at Syracuse, breaking away and forfeiting their right as Mystics.

Fast forward a bit, Beta eventually approached the Temple of the Wand for admission, in their mission for expansion. Beta specifically was looking for a way to expand further into the south. The Temple of the Wand offered their current strongest temple, the Temple of the Star in Mississippi (Ole Miss), as the first to lead the assimilation charge. Soon the few remaining temples in the south followed their lead, and eventually Temple of the Wand finished the deal when the merger was officially made around 1879. Mystic OFFICIALLY belongs to Beta Theta Pi. The two DKE chapters founded by old ex-mystics are generally regarded as traitors, and ignored by the true Mystic chapters still active within Beta (if you ever visit a strong Mystic Beta chapter, you might notice they hold a strange animosity toward DKE in general, in many cases). Much of the original Mystic ritual has been rewritten and made part of what is now the Beta ritual.

Anything else you specifically wish to know regarding the Mystic Seven, I can try to answer to the best of my ability.

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[edit on 25-12-2006 by M74]


reply posted on 30-12-2006 @ 03:51 PM by M74
Originally posted by chrysolorasIn 1868 an offshoot of the Mystical Seven was founded at the Univ. of Virgina, called the Mystic Seven. Much debate has taken place as to the legitimacy of whether this group was or was not part of the Wesleyan group. However, in 1890 the Mystic Seven and its chapters did merge with Beta Theta Pi. Beta Theta Pi at the time did incorporate some of its ceremonies into their rituals. Later these became optional for chapters to use or not use. (A similiar thing happen a few years prior with another group known as WWW or Rainbow Society, and Delta Tau Delta. WWW it has been said was an offshoot from the Mystical Seven as well.)
Are you a Beta, from Wesleyan, or Mystic? Because some of that information is sketchy, but I can clean up some of it.

The Southern chapters were originally founded separately, as Temple of the Wand wasn't confident in its ability to maintain communication with chapters so far away. However, they were later officially accepted as Mystic Temples, adding to the grand total of ten Temples in the society's lifetime (a common misconception was that there were only seven temples, three were "lost", and consequently "replaced", adding up to ten total). The rituals were the same, the traditions were the same, and the southern temples and their foundings were, in fact, perpetuated by members from Temple of the Wand and other northern-based Temples who supported southern expansion. For all intents and purposes, they are the same society with the same established principles.

The Wesleyan boys aren't the only ones who are still very much actively Mystic, as I stated in my previous post. I myself am not from Wesleyan, but my chapter is very strong in their Mystic background and we have maintained a most of our original documents (a few were lost in a fire decades ago, unfortunately).

Also, the Rainbow fraternity was started in Mississippi (Ole Miss). It was influenced a great deal by the Temple of the Star, but was not officially connected to the Mystic Seven. There were members who either left the Mystic Seven, or were in some other way familiar with the very basic principles of the Mystic lore, and they recycled a great deal of what they did know into Rainbow. It was later assimilated into Delta Tau Delta.

Also, I should point out that it wasn't uncommon for Mystic Temples to handle their business in a more publicly acceptable fashion, such as assuming other fraternal titles. Many Mystic Temples were active while at the same time being active chapters of other Greek letter organizations. Their Greek fraternities were unaware of their Mystic secrets, up until the time they all rejoined and came together as one as new chapters of Beta Theta Pi. Consider it a nice cover.

Also, the merger between Mystic and Beta was a long process, as it was generally handled in a fashion where each Temple was brought into the fold one or two at a time. All the temples were brought in during a ten year process from 1879-1889.

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reply posted on 30-1-2008 @ 12:50 AM by nothinghtatkils
reply to post by chrysoloras



I am a Kappa Sigma at the Lambda Zeta chapter and I am Completely fascinated with the history of the fraternity. I would greatly appreciate it if you or any other Kappa Sig viewing this could take the time to explain some more history to me.


reply posted on 5-8-2008 @ 03:02 PM by nickles518
reply to post by allthemodrnthgs



Though you are correct about Sigma Chi changing there name from Sigma Phi, you are wrong about the reason. Not to point fingers, but your source of this information is from the worst possible person to ask about the matter. Sigma Chi's original name was Sigma Phi. The sigma phi ritual was stolen and then a new ritual was put in place and the name was changed to Sigma Chi. Most other sources site this fact except for Beta Theta Pi. The "rumor" or underlying truth of the whole matter is that Sigma Phi and Beta Theta Pi were rival fraternities and the Sigma Phi ritual was stolen by Beta, thus forcing the name change to Sigma Chi and a new ritual.


reply posted on 5-8-2008 @ 03:04 PM by nickles518
reply to post by senrak



I really hope that you are not going out trying to find other Fraternities' rituals. That would dissappoint many if not all greek members out there.


reply posted on 5-8-2008 @ 03:11 PM by nickles518
reply to post by 7YearItch



Sorry man, but I highly doubt that will happen. These are secret societies. Why would people discuss their rituals openly? Seems pretty dumb to even ask.


reply posted on 5-8-2008 @ 03:15 PM by nickles518
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Why would you want to freely discuss anything about a SECRET organization. I will promise you, as a member of a Fraternity myself, half of what you see, read, or hear about the rituals of a certain Fraternity are way off base. People put false rituals out there in order to keep the actual ritual a secret, unless you are a member of the Fraternity than you will never truly understand their ritual, even if you read it.
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