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posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 05:03 PM
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originally posted by: manuelram16
Bullcrap, they did not got the visas that Mexico offered and are illegally in the country, per local news about 50 of them are in jail for criminal activity and will be deported.


You have some proof that they didn't get visas?

I would also hope that those who commit criminal acts get jailed and deported.




posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 08:25 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

The people who are in favor of "illegal immigration" won't agree with you even though you are giving logical answers. All they do is try to derail threads like this one so they don't have to admit that they are wrong for claiming "Americans and U.S. resident that are against illegal immigration are racists."

For years the left, starting under Bill Clinton, used one branch of our military, the Coast Guard, to enforce immigration laws on Cubans. The left didn't say a peep even though this has been going on for more than 2 decades. Obama himself closed the last asylum law which allowed Cubans to escape from the communist dictatorship.

I will continue to insist that Clinton, Obama and the left did this because they don't want immigrants in the U.S. who vote Republican/conservative. Cubans have lived almost 60 years under a socialist economy, and a communist dictatorship, and most Cubans do not fall for the lies of the left anymore.

Most people from South America have only some experience with socialism, but the majority still vote left-wing and that's the reason the left want these people from South America, and they don't want Cubans immigrating into the U.S.

Many Mexicans are also against "Illegal immigration," and this fact shows that it has nothing to do with "racism," but has to do with the fact that "illegal immigrants" do not get to impose on us how we should enforce our laws, and they don't get to take shortcuts of our legal system just because they want to. Cubans are still oppressed and persecuted by the communist dictatorship and that has ALWAYS been a real reason for approving asylum. However, I know how bad Cuba has become, and there are many Cubans I would not want immigrating into the U.S.

This is part of the "fake news" being posted on left-wing news sources day and night claiming "the right are all nazis for not wanting ILLEGAL immigrants," and they will never relent on this "fake claim."






edit on 20-11-2018 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut


Yes, they are being processed. Wouldn't that make them not illegal?

Not illegal in the US, as long as they follow US Immigration Law. Illegal in Mexico.

Most are in Mexico. That's where Tijuana is.


By your logic, perhaps America should stop issuing drivers licenses because the government has to pay for DMV staff?

...

That's what you took from my statement about our system not being adequate for such an influx? Really?

You win the day, sir. I don't know how to even respond to such ignorance.


Mexico has ties with the governments that these people are running from.

It makes sense that not all of the refugees will accept an asylum that may at some stage end with their deportation back into the reach of those regimes.

You mean like the DACA folks that will soon be deported because Congress can't pass a law protecting them due to the Democrats?


I agree. Immigration detainees should be repatriated.

Progress!



The first ones of the caravan arrived at Tijuana by bus & truck. Most of the caravan is still walking.

They started out on Sunday 25th March. You do the math.

How about you do some links... the caravan we are discussing is only a few weeks old at the most.


Well for one thing, the caravan is inland. For another, we are on the opposite side of the planet. Also, we are offering asylum to people in our region who the US rejects but that offer is being blocked by another US ally.

And yet, you find time to criticize us. Nice.


Yes, that is how it works. That is the legally sanctioned procedure.

It has not been followed. Asylum seekers are released into the country on their own recognizance without supervision for several years until their court date arrives... and then they don't show up.

That is the issue. A claim of asylum is a guarantee to a life in the US the way it is now.


The border has been temporarily totally closed for a few days and Trump has issued an executive order to suspend the process of granting asylum. So, yeah, new laws have been attempted. BTW, Trump's executive order has been thrown out, as illegal, by the US High Court.

Can I get a link on that? I have not heard of a refusal to accept asylum requests, nor of a Supreme Court ruling against it.


But we have already established that the people in the 2018 caravan are not actually illegal.

No, we haven't. You have said so, but that doesn't mean it's been "established." These are illegal immigrants into Mexico from Central America. Sorry to burst your bubble.


I never stated that Trump went to Honduras or Guatemala.

Typically, when someone is accused of 'picking on' someone, they go to their target. I have never heard of the target coming to them.


It is an balanced and dispassionate assessment of the facts. Trump is a sociopath.

Fear not; I hear some of the pharmaceuticals are working on a cure for TDS. Have faith; help is on the way.


A few of them are.

The few who are Mexican are not illegal immigrants, then. What about the rest?


So they aren't immigrants to the US and can't possibly be illegal immigrants.

Mexico, man! They are illegal immigrants in MEXICO! We are discussing Tijuana, MEXICO!


The majority of the have walked the majority of the distance.

Still waiting for proof.


Part of a fence.

Which is part of the International border owned by and maintained by Mexico. Destruction of government property (or however Mexican law expresses it).


Where is the evidence and by what court?

An official statement from the DHS.


They have, that is why Mexico offered asylum.

They can have status for asylum in Mexico and not have such status in the United States.

Mexico is not part of the US.


Invaded, again! With their superior weapons and weight of numbers, I suppose. All hundred of 'em.

An invasion can be by sheer numbers. And there's several thousand in Tijuana, not a hundred. Your abacus seems to be broken.


I have seen a map.

Where? On TV?

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 08:31 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut


They only separate the families of refugees in countries ruled by horrible, despotic, tyrannical governments.

So if a 'refugee' in New Zealand commits a crime, their whole family goes to jail?

I was not aware of that. Good to know.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 08:42 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
No, their families as well, silly.

They only separate the families of refugees in countries ruled by horrible, despotic, tyrannical governments.




Obama separated illegal immigrant families as well, and OBAMA was the one who started remodeling Walmarts since at least 2010 to convert them into "detention centers." Since then OBAMA and his administration put illegal children, and other illegals "in the cages" yet you all in the left want to blame on POTUS Trump...

MSNBC Panel Admits Obama Also Separated Immigrant Families



Obama’s Immigration Agencies Separated Children From Their Families, Too

The left still forgets that Obama deported more illegals than any other President, including Trump.


edit on 20-11-2018 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 08:46 PM
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originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Is it?

Explain how the World works to me.



posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 08:48 PM
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originally posted by: ParasuvO

originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Is it?

Explain how the World works to me.



posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 11:24 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: chr0naut


Not illegal in the US, as long as they follow US Immigration Law. Illegal in Mexico.

Most are in Mexico. That's where Tijuana is.


Temporary visa's have been issued for them. They aren't illegal in Mexico.




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That's what you took from my statement about our system not being adequate for such an influx? Really?

You win the day, sir. I don't know how to even respond to such ignorance.


You mean like the DACA folks that will soon be deported because Congress can't pass a law protecting them due to the Democrats?


I believe that the Trump administration screwed with the established DACA process, intending to phase it out by March 5, 2018, but the recission of DACA has been blocked by the courts and several states as "unconstitutional, unjust, and unlawful". So DACA is still in effect and there are no moves to deport anyone.




Progress!


How about you do some links... the caravan we are discussing is only a few weeks old at the most.


And yet, you find time to criticize us. Nice.



It has not been followed. Asylum seekers are released into the country on their own recognizance without supervision for several years until their court date arrives... and then they don't show up.

That is the issue. A claim of asylum is a guarantee to a life in the US the way it is now.


So ICE, DHS, the border patrols and the police aren't doing their job adequately and you blame the asylum seekers?

Why are the unapproved applicants allowed to just wander off? How stupid!



Can I get a link on that? I have not heard of a refusal to accept asylum requests, nor of a Supreme Court ruling against it.


New Executive Order Bans Undocumented Immigrants From Seeking Asylum

In blow to Trump’s immigration agenda, federal judge blocks asylum ban for migrants who enter illegally from Mexico

Trump Suspends Some Asylum Rights, Calling Illegal Immigration ‘a Crisis’

Trump Administration Tightens Rules on Asylum Seekers Ahead of Promised Executive Order

... or you could Google it or watch the news.



No, we haven't. You have said so, but that doesn't mean it's been "established." These are illegal immigrants into Mexico from Central America. Sorry to burst your bubble.


They aren't illegal immigrants in Mexico, either. They have been issued visas and granted asylum.



Typically, when someone is accused of 'picking on' someone, they go to their target. I have never heard of the target coming to them.


So, when Hitler sent Polish Jews to the death camps, he had to personally go to Poland to pick on them?



Fear not; I hear some of the pharmaceuticals are working on a cure for TDS. Have faith; help is on the way.


I don't think they have a definitive cure for sociopathy. Trump has reacted to a request for humanitarian aid, given well ahead of time, by accusing them of something they might not ever do.

He bullies his opponents publicly. He fires once trusted aides if they question him or his methods and throws anyone under the bus if he thinks it will win him some small favour.

He is a sociopath.



The few who are Mexican are not illegal immigrants, then. What about the rest?


They aren't illegal immigrants, either.



Mexico, man! They are illegal immigrants in MEXICO! We are discussing Tijuana, MEXICO!


Do you think you will look cleverer if you keep saying that?



Still waiting for proof.


It has been all over the news since Trump's tweet on October 19.



Which is part of the International border owned by and maintained by Mexico. Destruction of government property (or however Mexican law expresses it).


Ah yes, but the fence was on the planet Earth. So I suppose by your logic, they destroyed the planet Earth, nah, dammit they destroyed the universe!!!!.





An official statement from the DHS.


If the DHS has that information, surely it is trivial to arrest the malefactors when they step onto US soil?

It makes no sense to block the genuine humanitarian cases of asylum seekers because of some bad individuals, especially when those criminals are clearly identified and can be dealt with quickly.



They can have status for asylum in Mexico and not have such status in the United States.

Mexico is not part of the US.


My you are clever!



An invasion can be by sheer numbers. And there's several thousand in Tijuana, not a hundred. Your abacus seems to be broken.


There were 5,000 troops sent in (now apparently they are quietly going home, before the majority of the caravaners even arrives. Probably because the invasion and flood of illegal entries, isn't).




Where? On TV?

TheRedneck


I have seen maps on TV's, in cars, on billboards, in trains and busses, in libraries and I even have several atlases at home. Seeing maps is easy (but figuring out what you were trying to insinuate with your last remark is really hard).



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posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 11:37 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: chr0naut


They only separate the families of refugees in countries ruled by horrible, despotic, tyrannical governments.

So if a 'refugee' in New Zealand commits a crime, their whole family goes to jail?

I was not aware of that. Good to know.

TheRedneck

Don't be silly. We don't incarcerate families, only the criminals.

And the families can still visit the ones in prison.

We don't keep the whole family in detention and ship disparate members thousands of miles away from each other like they do in America.



posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 11:41 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: chr0naut
No, their families as well, silly.

They only separate the families of refugees in countries ruled by horrible, despotic, tyrannical governments.




Obama separated illegal immigrant families as well, and OBAMA was the one who started remodeling Walmarts since at least 2010 to convert them into "detention centers." Since then OBAMA and his administration put illegal children, and other illegals "in the cages" yet you all in the left want to blame on POTUS Trump...

MSNBC Panel Admits Obama Also Separated Immigrant Families



Obama’s Immigration Agencies Separated Children From Their Families, Too

The left still forgets that Obama deported more illegals than any other President, including Trump.


So, there you have it.

It appears that the US is ruled by one of those "horrible, despotic, tyrannical governments", no matter which figurehead placates the public.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:16 AM
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Temporary visa's have been issued for them. They aren't illegal in Mexico.

Still waiting for links...


I believe that the Trump administration screwed with the established DACA process...

Then you believe wrongly. The case has not been decided, but will be soon by the Supreme Court.

No court can declare rescission of an Executive Order unconstitutional. That is an oxymoronic perspective. If the original Executive Order was Constitutional, then the rescission is. If the rescission is not, neither is the original.


So ICE, DHS, the border patrols and the police aren't doing their job adequately and you blame the asylum seekers?

Why are the unapproved applicants allowed to just wander off? How stupid!

No, I blame the Congress and the Leftists clamoring for more illegal immigrants to be admitted. No police force in the nation could contain every single illegal immigrant if enough wanted in at the same time.

And yes, it is stupid. If you knew what you were talking about, you might just realize that that very stupidity is the issue being discussed... which you seem intent on supporting.


New Executive Order Bans Undocumented Immigrants From Seeking Asylum

Well, I see why you are so out of touch with reality now. That article can't even get it as right as the New York Times... and that's pretty sad, especially considering their story links back to it.

The Trump administration, invoking national security powers meant to protect the United States against threats from abroad, announced new rules on Thursday that give President Trump vast authority to deny asylum to virtually any migrant who crosses the border illegally.


The Executive Order you refer to only stops undocumented immigrants from claiming asylum if they cross the border illegally at a location not a port of entry. They are still allowed to enter and claim asylum at any port of entry. That is legal.


They aren't illegal immigrants in Mexico, either. They have been issued visas and granted asylum.

They refused asylum, at least most of them did. Some accepted Mexico's offer and are no longer illegal.

If as you say, they have been granted asylum in Mexico, why are they claiming asylum in the United States?


So, when Hitler sent Polish Jews to the death camps, he had to personally go to Poland to pick on them?

Hitler invaded Poland.


Do you think you will look cleverer if you keep saying that?

You know something? You do have a point.

You obviously cannot distinguish between Mexico and the US, cannot distinguish between legal and illegal immigration procedures, know absolutely nothing of US law, and can't even get your story straight when you try to. That's what we call a "lost cause" around here.

It also tells me that you are either so unable to comprehend simple language and read as to be unable to function in society, or you're getting your yuks from spewing BS all over this screen and watching me refute it. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and saying it is the latter. But that means that I have no more desire to debate you on this subject (or probably any subject, really) because you are not being sincere. You may or may not be in actuality, but your actions are those of a child.

Now go ahead and have your chuckle... I really don't care. I'm finished even replying to your brand of feigned idiocy. I will, however, provide one last retort to another post:


We don't incarcerate families, only the criminals.

And the families can still visit the ones in prison.

You just verified your country's leaders are as evil, despicable, and whatever other demeaning adjective you can find to describe someone you have no experience with whatsoever, as Donald Trump.

Thank you for that.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:22 AM
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All the talk about those people is meaningless unless you know how they are actually and what they want

You can't say "ohh poor people!" when you don't care about things like

- They were given food, they rejected it because they got beans, tortillas, chicken, juice and water. They wanted famous mexican tacos, pizza, coke and similar stuff
- They were given asylum and they mostly rejected it, they don't care for any help unless it is getting to the US
- When given space and time to rest, they have destroyed and have mostly left a mess and then go away and turn self-entitled when confronted
- They have asked the UN for buses, free food, protection, clothes and money while traveling through Mexico, so they can reach the US, regardless of how good they have been threated

No, most of them are not having any Mexican VISA, only the ones that accepted asylum and will remain in Mexico, the ones going to the US are still illegally in Mexico

Meanwhile, the resources that to protect them were not around when a group of native Mexicans attempted to return to their land and were shot at by a drug gang, causing them to once again run away from their land

And then we have those people from Honduras complaining they got fried beans and water while going through poor towns, saying that's food for animals

I don't think you understand the attitude those people have

Yes Mexican people is mostly fed up with them, you can have kids dying on the streets in Mexico but no one is looking, but these people are in the spotlight so let's give them all support and attentions possible, even if other actual Mexicans are dying because of it, including little kids out there on the street

And you think that just by crossing the border they will suddenly change their ways and be all cool and honest people?

I wonder where the people supporting those persons live..

But let's think about this, the actual, real proud Hondurans, are still living on their own country, trying to change it for the better, for sure, they did not run away expecting free stuff and complaining when it is not of their like

Do with this whatever you want to do, but you are mistaken anyways

Also as i said before, no mother or father would put their children at the front so it gets crushed against a fence just to force the cops on the other side to open it, so they can save the lives of those children

Who would do that to their own kids?

Some people really do live under a rock



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:35 AM
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originally posted by: BoneSay
All the talk about those people is meaningless unless you know how they are actually and what they want

You can't say "ohh poor people!" when you don't care about things like

- They were given food, they rejected it because they got beans, tortillas, chicken, juice and water. They wanted famous mexican tacos, pizza, coke and similar stuff
- They were given asylum and they mostly rejected it, they don't care for any help unless it is getting to the US
- When given space and time to rest, they have destroyed and have mostly left a mess and then go away and turn self-entitled when confronted
- They have asked the UN for buses, free food, protection, clothes and money while traveling through Mexico, so they can reach the US, regardless of how good they have been threated

No, most of them are not having any Mexican VISA, only the ones that accepted asylum and will remain in Mexico, the ones going to the US are still illegally in Mexico

Meanwhile, the resources that to protect them were not around when a group of native Mexicans attempted to return to their land and were shot at by a drug gang, causing them to once again run away from their land

And then we have those people from Honduras complaining they got fried beans and water while going through poor towns, saying that's food for animals

I don't think you understand the attitude those people have

Yes Mexican people is mostly fed up with them, you can have kids dying on the streets in Mexico but no one is looking, but these people are in the spotlight so let's give them all support and attentions possible, even if other actual Mexicans are dying because of it, including little kids out there on the street

And you think that just by crossing the border they will suddenly change their ways and be all cool and honest people?

I wonder where the people supporting those persons live..

But let's think about this, the actual, real proud Hondurans, are still living on their own country, trying to change it for the better, for sure, they did not run away expecting free stuff and complaining when it is not of their like

Do with this whatever you want to do, but you are mistaken anyways

Also as i said before, no mother or father would put their children at the front so it gets crushed against a fence just to force the cops on the other side to open it, so they can save the lives of those children

Who would do that to their own kids?

Some people really do live under a rock




You are 17 years old by your admission, you seem to think you understand a whole lot about the how's and why's people do what they do...



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 02:00 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: BoneSay
All the talk about those people is meaningless unless you know how they are actually and what they want

You can't say "ohh poor people!" when you don't care about things like

- They were given food, they rejected it because they got beans, tortillas, chicken, juice and water. They wanted famous mexican tacos, pizza, coke and similar stuff
- They were given asylum and they mostly rejected it, they don't care for any help unless it is getting to the US
- When given space and time to rest, they have destroyed and have mostly left a mess and then go away and turn self-entitled when confronted
- They have asked the UN for buses, free food, protection, clothes and money while traveling through Mexico, so they can reach the US, regardless of how good they have been threated

No, most of them are not having any Mexican VISA, only the ones that accepted asylum and will remain in Mexico, the ones going to the US are still illegally in Mexico

Meanwhile, the resources that to protect them were not around when a group of native Mexicans attempted to return to their land and were shot at by a drug gang, causing them to once again run away from their land

And then we have those people from Honduras complaining they got fried beans and water while going through poor towns, saying that's food for animals

I don't think you understand the attitude those people have

Yes Mexican people is mostly fed up with them, you can have kids dying on the streets in Mexico but no one is looking, but these people are in the spotlight so let's give them all support and attentions possible, even if other actual Mexicans are dying because of it, including little kids out there on the street

And you think that just by crossing the border they will suddenly change their ways and be all cool and honest people?

I wonder where the people supporting those persons live..

But let's think about this, the actual, real proud Hondurans, are still living on their own country, trying to change it for the better, for sure, they did not run away expecting free stuff and complaining when it is not of their like

Do with this whatever you want to do, but you are mistaken anyways

Also as i said before, no mother or father would put their children at the front so it gets crushed against a fence just to force the cops on the other side to open it, so they can save the lives of those children

Who would do that to their own kids?

Some people really do live under a rock




You are 17 years old by your admission, you seem to think you understand a whole lot about the how's and why's people do what they do...


Really really seriously, how come my age has to do anything about this? WHat is this?

Yes i know, i live in Mexico, i have coming here for vacation since 10 years ago, i have been living here for almost a year now, i know people here who grew up with me, i know spanish very well, i go to college here, i go out there every single day on the streets and know how it goes out there

Once again, judged by people who don't know me, then i guess i'm once again in the end of a lecture about how i can't possibly know a thing. What is this lmfao

Here, it got so ridiculous that there are tons of memes out there now, here's one



How shameful for you to use my age to tell me i'm wrong about how people feel on the country i live on

edit on 21-11-2018 by BoneSay because: (no reason given)


Would have been nice if you were able to discuss what i said instead of me, but i guess you can't have it all in this life lol

how what that thing about discussing people instead of ideas when you have nothing to say otherwise?
Because i did say a few things that got complete ignored in favor of another attempt to put me down, i guess this is indeed one of the best examples of "the garden of the mind" that ATS is all about
edit on 21-11-2018 by BoneSay because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 02:23 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: BoneSay
All the talk about those people is meaningless unless you know how they are actually and what they want

You can't say "ohh poor people!" when you don't care about things like

- They were given food, they rejected it because they got beans, tortillas, chicken, juice and water. They wanted famous mexican tacos, pizza, coke and similar stuff
- They were given asylum and they mostly rejected it, they don't care for any help unless it is getting to the US
- When given space and time to rest, they have destroyed and have mostly left a mess and then go away and turn self-entitled when confronted
- They have asked the UN for buses, free food, protection, clothes and money while traveling through Mexico, so they can reach the US, regardless of how good they have been threated

No, most of them are not having any Mexican VISA, only the ones that accepted asylum and will remain in Mexico, the ones going to the US are still illegally in Mexico

Meanwhile, the resources that to protect them were not around when a group of native Mexicans attempted to return to their land and were shot at by a drug gang, causing them to once again run away from their land

And then we have those people from Honduras complaining they got fried beans and water while going through poor towns, saying that's food for animals

I don't think you understand the attitude those people have

Yes Mexican people is mostly fed up with them, you can have kids dying on the streets in Mexico but no one is looking, but these people are in the spotlight so let's give them all support and attentions possible, even if other actual Mexicans are dying because of it, including little kids out there on the street

And you think that just by crossing the border they will suddenly change their ways and be all cool and honest people?

I wonder where the people supporting those persons live..

But let's think about this, the actual, real proud Hondurans, are still living on their own country, trying to change it for the better, for sure, they did not run away expecting free stuff and complaining when it is not of their like

Do with this whatever you want to do, but you are mistaken anyways

Also as i said before, no mother or father would put their children at the front so it gets crushed against a fence just to force the cops on the other side to open it, so they can save the lives of those children

Who would do that to their own kids?

Some people really do live under a rock




You are 17 years old by your admission, you seem to think you understand a whole lot about the how's and why's people do what they do...


Oh and they don't go to the US for any kind of help, they go for retribution, they are in the known that in the past the US helped destroy their country and they want a piece of the earnings, however they don't care at all about how, they are acting just like the people they are running away from, stealing and doing other stuff, and caring even less about people that helps them. If you really want to know look into the videos of the leaders of the caravan and how violent they act against normal people and/or journalists that just want to ask stuff, it is awful but you don't care, i can't possibly know a thing

Do you want me to post the video were the "leader" of the caravan says on video that they are about 30,000 and that they are going to shoot the people from Tijuana that gets in the way, at the Mexican/US border?

He got arrested and deported later on, but i guess you won't see that anywhere on the news



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 02:39 AM
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a reply to: BoneSay

What has your age have to do with this, well to begin with life experience....



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 02:40 AM
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a reply to: BoneSay

There's a saying...

Quick teenagers move out of home while you still know everything....



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 03:40 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: chr0naut


Temporary visa's have been issued for them. They aren't illegal in Mexico.

Still waiting for links...


I have provided you with several links supporting my arguments. It is your turn.



I believe that the Trump administration screwed with the established DACA process...

Then you believe wrongly. The case has not been decided, but will be soon by the Supreme Court.

No court can declare rescission of an Executive Order unconstitutional.


But several courts and state legislatures have done just that?

Also, it was the Executive Order itself which the courts and several state governments have declared was unconstitutional, not its rescission.



That is an oxymoronic perspective. If the original Executive Order was Constitutional, then the rescission is. If the rescission is not, neither is the original.


It is only a legal paradox if the EO was constitutional. Since it isn't, the EO and its rescission (which builds upon the presumption of constituionality) are both legally invalid.



So ICE, DHS, the border patrols and the police aren't doing their job adequately and you blame the asylum seekers?

Why are the unapproved applicants allowed to just wander off? How stupid!
No, I blame the Congress and the Leftists clamoring for more illegal immigrants to be admitted.

At the point where these immigrants are applying for entry, they are not illegal immigrants. To allow them to simply wander in to the US is a gross dereliction of duty. They should replace the bodies that are supposed to be policing this with effective ones.

I would lay the majority of the blame upon those on the ground at the border, tasked with the protection of the sovereignty of the US, especially at designated entry points, not some unrelated Washington group.


No police force in the nation could contain every single illegal immigrant if enough wanted in at the same time.


What a cop out. It isn't a case of 'if', they are not doing their jobs well enough.


And yes, it is stupid. If you knew what you were talking about, you might just realize that that very stupidity is the issue being discussed... which you seem intent on supporting.


The title of the topic has to do with Mexican racial tension. I don't support racial stereotypes, they are invalid generalizations applied to a vast variety of people. Much like the excuses that have been used such as the immigranst being illegal, terrorists and criminal.



New Executive Order Bans Undocumented Immigrants From Seeking Asylum

Well, I see why you are so out of touch with reality now. That article can't even get it as right as the New York Times... and that's pretty sad, especially considering their story links back to it.

The Trump administration, invoking national security powers meant to protect the United States against threats from abroad, announced new rules on Thursday that give President Trump vast authority to deny asylum to virtually any migrant who crosses the border illegally.


The Executive Order you refer to only stops undocumented immigrants from claiming asylum if they cross the border illegally at a location not a port of entry. They are still allowed to enter and claim asylum at any port of entry. That is legal.


They aren't illegal immigrants in Mexico, either. They have been issued visas and granted asylum.

They refused asylum, at least most of them did. Some accepted Mexico's offer and are no longer illegal.

If as you say, they have been granted asylum in Mexico, why are they claiming asylum in the United States?


So, when Hitler sent Polish Jews to the death camps, he had to personally go to Poland to pick on them?

Hitler invaded Poland.


Do you think you will look cleverer if you keep saying that?

You know something? You do have a point.

You obviously cannot distinguish between Mexico and the US, cannot distinguish between legal and illegal immigration procedures, know absolutely nothing of US law, and can't even get your story straight when you try to. That's what we call a "lost cause" around here.

It also tells me that you are either so unable to comprehend simple language and read as to be unable to function in society, or you're getting your yuks from spewing BS all over this screen and watching me refute it. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and saying it is the latter. But that means that I have no more desire to debate you on this subject (or probably any subject, really) because you are not being sincere. You may or may not be in actuality, but your actions are those of a child.

Now go ahead and have your chuckle... I really don't care. I'm finished even replying to your brand of feigned idiocy. I will, however, provide one last retort to another post:


We don't incarcerate families, only the criminals.

And the families can still visit the ones in prison.

You just verified your country's leaders are as evil, despicable, and whatever other demeaning adjective you can find to describe someone you have no experience with whatsoever, as Donald Trump.

Thank you for that.

TheRedneck


I didn't just verify that my country's leaders as evil, despicable, at all.

That appears to be something that you made up in your head.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 04:19 AM
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The percentage who thinks this caravan is so small.

How does such a small radical group hold so much power.

Trump wanted a travel ban. Citizens wanted one. Nope some liberal judge says he knows best.

Trump wants to tighten asylum rules, citizens want to tighten asylum rules. Nope some liberal judge just said even if the illegal aliens avoid the check points and come illegally, they are still qualified for asylum.

Next liberals will be saying all prisoners in central America can be released to America where they will be given a clean rap sheet.

And again this has nothing to do with racism its just a numbers problem.

Many u.s. cities are facing over population, lack of jobs. Lack of resources, no seats in schools.

You tell Democrats that illegals cannot come because of those reasons, watch them start to twitch.
How can they make it into a race issue.
That is their only defense.

And you have to be careful. If a ship was sinking and there was a life raft. Liberals would continue to bring people on board capsizing the life raft.

You need to be tough at times and say no more to protect the few.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:39 PM
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um thats the rights agenda.get fACTS straight before u post.i mean are u forgetting donalds wall?the left are for giving them asylym.stop fake news



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