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Mexicans in Tijuana Must be Racists...

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posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 05:08 AM
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a reply to: Lysergic

Personally, I find it kind of funny that they overlooked your claims of sarcasm at least twice. I stopped counting after 2, so there may be more.

TheRedneck




posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 08:14 AM
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Let the caravan into the US. Line up buses at the border. Send 1/3 of them to Beverly Hills, 1/3 of them to New York and 1/3 of them to San Frncusco.



posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 08:17 AM
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originally posted by: Mark08
Let the caravan into the US. Line up buses at the border. Send 1/3 of them to Beverly Hills, 1/3 of them to New York and 1/3 of them to San Frncusco.


Or just let all if them go to Los Angeles. Thats were they are trying to go. Thats why they are heading for Tijuana instead of going to the border of texas. Even they know Texas will send them back California offers sanctuary.



posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 10:22 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: chr0naut

Did you protest when democrats/liberals and their messiah Obama closed the last asylum law that allows Cubans to seek asylum in the U.S.?...


No, and the Democrats are a political party. They don't have a Messiah.

Hyperbole like that is exactly what Trump does. It is both untrue and not very clever.


Did you protest over the years that Bill Clinton, a democrat, changed the asylum laws and made it harder for Cubans to reach U.S. soil, and did you protest over the fact that Clinton used one branch of the U.S. military, the U.S. Coast Guard, to enforce the immigration laws he implemented, and ordered the Coast Guard to stop Cubans coming in boats any way possible, which has included the use of water canons, and bumping/shoving Cuban made home rafts with U.S. Coast Guard boats?...

BTW, there are many Cubans I wouldn't want in the U.S. either for being criminals, or for working for the Cuban regime to try to destabilize the U.S., or for committing fraud against the U.S.


But the Cubans were actual Communists, real ones, the enemy of the US, you know, just like the ones that Trump is alleged to have dealings with during the elections (the Cuban communists weren't 'fake' ones like AntiFa or the Democrats).



originally posted by: chr0naut
Most of the entire world is in such a state...Why not change those countries' policies instead of wanting the U.S. to become just like one of those countries?


No one wants to make the US like the countries they are escaping from. Why would you believe something so irrational?



originally posted by: chr0naut
The migrants also are likely to be good hard workers. Their dedication to walk thousands of miles, against all odds shows that.


Or they were given false promises as long as they arrived at the border. Or they could be criminals trying to evade the crimes they committed in their countries...


originally posted by: chr0naut
Why don't you demand your own President or PM to receive all caravans in your country from now on?


Our Prime Minister has offered asylum to the children of refugees currently under Australian lock-down on the island of Naru. Australia have been told to not allow them to have asylum by the US government. Our PM, like many world leaders, isn't vilifying refugees for political gain. Did you notice that Mexico offered asylum to those in the caravan? Why might that be?



originally posted by: chr0naut
These people in the caravans have already destroyed property and fences in the other borders between Mexico and other Central American nations. Since when is destroying property, and destroying fences meant to keep people out what "decent hard workers would do"?


I doubt very much that they demolished entire fences, that's just a really dumb thing to accuse them of. At worst, they just made holes where they could get through. But most of them just climbed through, climbed over or went around.



originally posted by: chr0naut
There is a huge difference between LEGAL immigrants and ILLEGAL immigrants. But it seems that people like you don't understand the difference, or simply want to ignore the difference.


But the caravan aren't even immigrants yet. Let alone illegal ones.

Trump has applied an inappropriate label to engage the prejudice of the ideologically stupid.



originally posted by: chr0naut
You don't know what in the world you are talking about. My family and I were poor in Cuba, we were poor when we migrated legally in Spain, and we were poor when we migrated almost 10 years later LEGALLY into the U.S. We still followed the immigration laws in Spain and in the U.S. Like us there are millions of LEGAL immigrants who abide by the law, and are to this day law abiding citizens. For people like you, who don't know what you are talking about, to tell us that we must allow "illegal immigrants" to take short cuts because it is inconvenient for them to go through the legal red tape, is a slap in the face of every LEGAL and law abiding immigrant who came to this country LEGALLY.


The caravan is heading towards Tijuana, a designated port of entry to the US, where they can make application for asylum by legal process. By their actions, it would appear that they intend to follow legal process.

Until they enter the US, they are neither immigrants nor illegal ones.

The label, which you keep repeating like some sort of idiot mantra, was from the very start, an outright lie.



originally posted by: chr0naut
Here is what... Donald Trump has done more good to the U.S. than can be said for many of his predecessors. BTW, Ghandi was a "national socialist," and in fact there is a branch of "national socialism" that bears Gandhi's name for a reason...


Gandhian socialism
Gandhian socialism is the branch of socialism based on the nationalist interpretation of the theories of the founding father of the Republic of India, Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. Gandhian socialism generally centres on Hind Swaraj or Indian Home Rule authored by Gandhi.
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Gandhian socialism


Ghandi himself was not a Ghandian socialist.

Ghandian Socialism also has nothing to do with what we were discussing.


You have no idea what nationalism is. It isn't "bad" as the left, and people like you want others to believe. BTW, I don't agree with ANY form of "National Socialism." Not Hitler's "National Socialism" aka "fascism," not Mussolini's view on "National Socialism" aka "fascism." Not even Ganghi's "National Socialism," or any of the other "National Socialist" parties that can be found, including on several non-white countries, around the world...


Hitler's 'National Socialists' weren't actually socialist. They were Nazi's and Mussolini's Fascists were just Fascists.

The actions and words of your President indicate that he is a sociopath.

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posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 10:52 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse




Aren't you tired of democrats/liberals who claim "you must be a racist if you don't want ILLEGAL immigrants"?


That's a perfect strawman argument.

It's about fascism, thus you're the tiresome one who can't define and apply terms correctly.



posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 11:43 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: chr0naut

They are illegal in Mexico


The Mexican government has offered them asylum and offered temporary work permits while they were applying for Mexican residency.

More than 1,743 (October 24th's number) of the 'caravaners' have already taken up Mexico's offer rather than travel to Tijuana.

In Mexico, they have been given refugee status as asylum seekers. In what way are they illegal?


And the ones that rejected Mexico's "offer" are still illegal in Mexico.

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posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 12:24 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Wait until they find out there are a lot of Mexicans/Hispanics IN AMERICA who feel the exact same way about these caravans.

They have been shamed into silence. They've seen how liberals treat people who dare to disagree, and they already dont feel 100% welcome so, they are just petrified into paralysis by the sheer hatred doled out on a daily basis by "the party of love and tolerance".



posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 12:26 PM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: ElectricUniverse




Aren't you tired of democrats/liberals who claim "you must be a racist if you don't want ILLEGAL immigrants"?


That's a perfect strawman argument.

It's about fascism, thus you're the tiresome one who can't define and apply terms correctly.


So... the Mexicans arent racist theyre just fascist?



posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 12:39 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

I have heard a Mexican left-winger, Enrique Acevedo, who is supposedly a journalist of Univision, and lives legally in the U.S. claim that "those Mexicans are racists" even though the majority of the protestors are not white...



Racist AND fascist. Maybe we should be more careful about letting them in our country.
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posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 12:45 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut




Our Prime Minister has offered asylum to the children of refugees currently under Australian lock-down on the island of Naru. 


Only the children huh?

SEPERATING FAMILIES!!!! EVIL MONSTER!!!!



posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 12:50 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut




I doubt very much that they demolished entire fences, that's just a really dumb thing to accuse them of. At worst, they just made holes where they could get through. But most of them just climbed through, climbed over or went around. 



They broke the law and or destroyed property. They arent "decent hardworking people".

They may be hard working... they sure do work hard at disregarding the law and taking what they want.



posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 01:05 PM
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Yeah, people seem to forget that anyone can be Racists, there are a lot of Mexicans who hold anti-indigenous beliefs for example...

this is nothing new



posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 01:11 PM
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originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

What fake agenda am I pushing?




Or better yet;

What agenda am I pushing?


I think you just like to hear the clacking on your keyboard.



posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 01:14 PM
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originally posted by: 3n19m470

originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

What fake agenda am I pushing?




Or better yet;

What agenda am I pushing?


I think you just like to hear the clacking on your keyboard.



posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: 3n19m470

Hello? Can someone tell me why its not showing my text in the above two posts? (quote one of them to see the full post. P.S. the second post is just me quoting the 1st one and it repeated the glitch)
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posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: chr0naut

They are illegal in Mexico


The Mexican government has offered them asylum and offered temporary work permits while they were applying for Mexican residency.

More than 1,743 (October 24th's number) of the 'caravaners' have already taken up Mexico's offer rather than travel to Tijuana.

In Mexico, they have been given refugee status as asylum seekers. In what way are they illegal?


And the ones that rejected Mexico's "offer" are still illegal in Mexico.

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No, the ones who have not chosen to stay are international travelers. It isn't illegal for them to travel through Mexico.

As they didn't arrive by air, they don't require passports and Mexico issued them transit visas back in early April, before Mexico granted them the offer of asylum.

They are not illegal in Mexico.

(Did you know that the caravan is an annual, symbolic event held in Southern Mexico around Easter each year to raise awareness about the plight of migrants? Central American migrant caravans From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)



posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 03:00 PM
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Bullcrap, they did not got the visas that Mexico offered and are illegally in the country, per local news about 50 of them are in jail for criminal activity and will be deported.



posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

They are illegal in Mexico.

😎👋



posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 03:48 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: chr0naut

Whoa! So much ignorance; so little time...


And they are being given the opportunity to file for asylum status in the US. That's the biggest lie: they are being processed. They are being given the right to apply for asylum. Every day more enter and make their application as our processing system allows. They do not have the right to force us to hire more judges because they overloaded the system.


Yes, they are being processed. Wouldn't that make them not illegal?

As asylum seekers, they have a right to apply for asylum. That America has instituted a processing system that is expensive, is not the fault of the asylum seekers.

By your logic, perhaps America should stop issuing drivers licenses because the government has to pay for DMV staff?





The fact that they immigrated through another country which offered them asylum status is an automatic dis-qualifier, Asylum does not mean you get to sit down with a world map and decide where it is you want to live and thus have a right to go there. It means you are seeking shelter from a specifically-protected type of organized oppression. Being poor or unable to find a job is not one of those situations.


Mexico has ties with the governments that these people are running from.

It makes sense that not all of the refugees will accept an asylum that may at some stage end with their deportation back into the reach of those regimes.


Any of these people who accepted Mexico's offer are already out of the caravans in Tijuana. That would seem to be some easy logic, since one cannot work a job and also go off with a caravan to crash a border. Would seem to be anyway...

Asylum also does not mean automatic entry. They have the right to apply, not the right to remain and live in the US while their application is processed.


I agree. Immigration detainees should be repatriated.



Being likely to be a good worker is not a requirement for asylum.

They did not walk; they arrived in Tijuana by bus and truck.


The first ones of the caravan arrived at Tijuana by bus & truck. Most of the caravan is still walking.

They started out on Sunday 25th March. You do the math.



Already addressed: a bald-faced lie. All immigrants are being granted the right to apply for asylum as the system allows.

Also, this one made me look at your location. New Zealand. Not the US. Why aren't you guys sending boats to pick these people up so you can help by offering some asylum?


Well for one thing, the caravan is inland. For another, we are on the opposite side of the planet. Also, we are offering asylum to people in our region who the US rejects but that offer is being blocked by another US ally.



That only works if they are not allowed to freely roam the country while their asylum case is considered. They are not.


Yes, that is how it works. That is the legally sanctioned procedure.


They are also not able to crash the fence as they did when going into Mexico.

And, again, they came to Tijuana on buses and trucks.


Only some of them. So what?


That is exactly what he is doing. There are no new laws enacted for this situation; our President does not have the ability to make law.


The border has been temporarily totally closed for a few days and Trump has issued an executive order to suspend the process of granting asylum. So, yeah, new laws have been attempted. BTW, Trump's executive order has been thrown out, as illegal, by the US High Court.



Again, not being "bad for the country" is not a part of an asylum request. I also point out that your links do not differentiate between illegal and legal immigration... as usual.


But we have already established that the people in the 2018 caravan are not actually illegal. They were called illegal immigrants before they were immigrants and their showing up at Tijuana point of entry shows that they actually want to be processed according to the established procedure.


Excuse me? When exactly did Donald Trump go to Honduras or Guatemala and start picking on these people? The last I looked, they came here... as you already stated. No one is picking on anyone unless it is them coming here to pick on us.


I never stated that Trump went to Honduras or Guatemala.

... and isn't it a bit infantile to suggest that refugees would have the slightest intention to "pick on" you?


Oh, another TDS-compromised Trump hater. I sort of expected that to be honest. Blind hatred and ignorance do seem to go hand in hand.


It is an balanced and dispassionate assessment of the facts. Trump is a sociopath.


But the biggest ignorance of all is that this thread is not even about Trump or the US border... this thread is about how the Mexicans are upset because they have been invaded by a massive influx of illegal immigrants form Honduras and Guatemala! You even have your countries mixed up! The invaders


Invaders!


are not Mexican


A few of them are. They travel together in caravans for safety. The caravans have been happening as a protest nearly every year, near Easter time and are organized within Mexico, by Mexicans.


, are not in the United States


So they aren't immigrants to the US and can't possibly be illegal immigrants.


, did not walk the distance


The majority of the have walked the majority of the distance.


, already destroyed one national border


Part of a fence.


in Mexico, have been verified to contain a criminal element


Where is the evidence and by what court?

There is no truth in Trumps other accusation that they are illegal immigrants. Why not another porkie?


, are primarily composed of men instead of women and children, have not demonstrated a lawful reason for asylum status


They have, that is why Mexico offered asylum.


, are still being given the right to apply by the US, have already turned down that right offered by the Mexican government, and yet are still being given the right to apply for asylum in the US. But in the process of doing all those things, they have invaded Tijuana, Mexico and the citizens of Tijuana, Mexico are up in arms about the damage they are doing to Mexico by overloading the social structure in Mexico.


Invaded, again! With their superior weapons and weight of numbers, I suppose. All hundred of 'em.


Mexico. Mexico is not the US, and Trump is not President of Mexico. Would you like a map?

TheRedneck

I have seen a map.

Do you have one that shows who is president of what country? How lovely for you!




posted on Nov, 20 2018 @ 05:00 PM
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originally posted by: 3n19m470
a reply to: chr0naut




Our Prime Minister has offered asylum to the children of refugees currently under Australian lock-down on the island of Naru. 


Only the children huh?

SEPERATING FAMILIES!!!! EVIL MONSTER!!!!


No, their families as well, silly.

They only separate the families of refugees in countries ruled by horrible, despotic, tyrannical governments.



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