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Bob Lazar : Area 51 & Flying Saucers... The whole story.

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posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 07:56 AM
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originally posted by: ConfusedBrit
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed


Lazar refuses to admit on camera that he removed Element 115 from S.4 but is readily open about the mechanics of its use.


Mechanics straight out of the Star Trek Next Generation tech manual.

Belief in this mans story is purely religious. Not sure why so many feel they must choose a story to believe over others, but they do. They chose the face/voice/message they wanna believe. As for Bobs motive? Kickbacks from the CT business, obviously. I wouldn't let people talk about me for 30 years on AM radio without getting a cut.




posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 11:52 AM
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a reply to: Prene


Lazar refuses to admit on camera that he removed Element 115 from S.4 but is readily open about the mechanics of its use.


He shouldn't be.

To arrest him, they'd have to admit he was there (and that S-4 is there), and that's the last thing they want to do, hehe....

But, he seems to be doing well with his company, and the contracts he has with the government.



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 02:13 PM
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originally posted by: moebius

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: moebius

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit
Sounds cheesy? You bet! And then we are suddenly informed that, as a result of this 'secret chat', The Powers That Be, spearheaded by the FBI, raided his laboratory the next day, followed by all manner of other lettered agencies and officials who actually questioned him about his chat with Corbell but ostensibly declaring they were there to investigate allegations of the sale of toxic/dangerous material to an individual.


ROFL. The good old "the dog ate my homework" excuse.

Good enough for your typical UFO believer I guess.

Lazar to me is quite clearly a con. A nobody who wants to be seen as special, have his 15 minutes of fame.


Obviously you know nothing about his story. Firstly, if he is a con artist, then he is the worst ever con artist because he has pretty much kept out of the limelight for decades and while he could could made alot of money from this, he did not. This throws your "15 mins of fame" out the window too!

It you do not believe hum, that's fine. Even I am not sure, but do not use the same old b.s. reasons a lot of ufo debunkers give on other ufo cases, because it is obvious that they do not apply to this case.



LOL. I've never claimed he did it for money.

He got his 15 minutes by appearing at KLAS TV in Las Vegas in 1989 already. The reason that he did not get more famous is that his con was pretty weak from the beginning. Lying about his education did not help either.

Nonetheless he was at a UFO seminar in Nevada 1993. There were rumors of a pending movie of "The Bob Lazar Story".

He attended the International UFO Congress in 2015. And now he has got a "documentation" about him.

Not too bad for such a lazy con.


So his con was to know somehow about activity in the Nevada desert, get in touch with Lear, take him and others to see the aerial activity, have Lear tell journos, eventually have Knapp interview him, get in all kinds of trouble for his efforts and now in 2018 have an independent film-maker produce a documentary about it all?

That's one weird con.
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posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: Prene

...As for Bobs motive?

It's been my experience that some people don't have a tangible motive for spinning tall tales -- at least not a motive the rest of us can understand.



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 05:19 PM
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originally posted by: moebius

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: moebius

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit
Sounds cheesy? You bet! And then we are suddenly informed that, as a result of this 'secret chat', The Powers That Be, spearheaded by the FBI, raided his laboratory the next day, followed by all manner of other lettered agencies and officials who actually questioned him about his chat with Corbell but ostensibly declaring they were there to investigate allegations of the sale of toxic/dangerous material to an individual.


ROFL. The good old "the dog ate my homework" excuse.

Good enough for your typical UFO believer I guess.

Lazar to me is quite clearly a con. A nobody who wants to be seen as special, have his 15 minutes of fame.


Obviously you know nothing about his story. Firstly, if he is a con artist, then he is the worst ever con artist because he has pretty much kept out of the limelight for decades and while he could could made alot of money from this, he did not. This throws your "15 mins of fame" out the window too!

It you do not believe hum, that's fine. Even I am not sure, but do not use the same old b.s. reasons a lot of ufo debunkers give on other ufo cases, because it is obvious that they do not apply to this case.



LOL. I've never claimed he did it for money.

He got his 15 minutes by appearing at KLAS TV in Las Vegas in 1989 already. The reason that he did not get more famous is that his con was pretty weak from the beginning. Lying about his education did not help either.

Nonetheless he was at a UFO seminar in Nevada 1993. There were rumors of a pending movie of "The Bob Lazar Story".

He attended the International UFO Congress in 2015. And now he has got a "documentation" about him.

Not too bad for such a lazy con.





No, that is very bad, even for a lazy con! So in all this time, all these years, he only made a handful of experiences. You are talking absolute rubbish saying he disapeared because his story was pretty weak! He pretty much vsnished because he wanted too, that is obvious!

Yeah people said he did not set foot in area 51 either, and we now know that to be a lie, as he did work there.

I am not saying his story is true, as I am always cautious until there is absolute evidence. But I have to question people like you who make it up as you go along because of your beliefs.

So what do we know for sure?

He did not do this for money, thst much is obvious.

If he done this to get famous and attention, he done a very bad job at it because he decided to push himself away from it.

He could be lying. He could be telling the truth. I do not know, and you do not know.



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 08:19 PM
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originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: Paddyofurniture


If the shocker in the story is that he does indeed have some Element 115 / Astr0Gel in his possession and goes on the record, publicly admitting he has stolen materials from a classified US installation...well... I am sure he will get a few more people following him.


Well,His company Nuclear United is selling Astrogel by the buckets full!Maybe he does has a smidgen of 115 stash away somewhere.



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 08:26 PM
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a reply to: JHenski

Aerogel has nothing to do with 115 in a direct way.

Aerogel are amazing insulators

Also there is something called fogbank used in nuclear weapons that is based on aerogels.



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 08:42 PM
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originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: JHenski

Aerogel has nothing to do with 115 in a direct way.

Aerogel are amazing insulators

Also there is something called fogbank used in nuclear weapons that is based on aerogels.


Hahaha,Of course it doesn't,I was just being facetious with the OP!

PS,I believe Lazar,I think he pushed the education thing,but he passed a background check to obtain that job.
So unless he was a janitor or something,he was working on classified materials!
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posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 08:44 PM
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a reply to: Gazrok

Very good point

Actually I did have a question about the physicists Mr Corbell spoke to who said that 115 may not be unstable. I'd be interested in peer reviewed papers if there are any, or who they are. I have not read that counter argument that Moscovium atoms were stable instead of decaying in about 100 milliseconds.


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posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 10:13 PM
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a reply to: zazzafrazz

Dont hold your breath.

There won't be any papers saying it's stable(as you know), it so unstable that it's hard to say it ever existed. It's here and gone so fast it's laughable that corbell said this and in fact hurts his credibility as well as bobs
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posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 10:51 PM
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originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: zazzafrazz

Dont hold your breath.

There won't be any papers saying it's stable(as you know), it so unstable that it's hard to say it ever existed. It's here and gone so fast it's laughable that corbell said this and in fact hurts his credibility as well as bobs


There have been plenty of scientists make the claim about "islands of stability" in the super heavy elements. They also say these can't be made here and came from a solar system with a very large giant star or remnant material from a super nova.



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 11:00 PM
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a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

I'm not closed to it, genuinely interested if anything is written about it.



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 11:15 PM
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a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

A half life will be the same if made in a atom smasher or a star/super nova etc.

So unless they can come up with some way of stopping the decay of a radioactive element then there is zero way a sizeable amount will get made and able to be stored for any amount of reasonable time.

And why does this element have this claimed property, yet ones above it that we have made as well as ones below it do not?

Any claims of unique geometry in the electrons or inside the nuclei are dubious, granted there is only one 115 but, again with the isotopes you would think bob would know the EXACT one that was stable and had this claimed property



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 11:20 PM
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And yet, John Lear is banned from here.

Go figure.



posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 11:26 PM
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originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

A half life will be the same if made in a atom smasher or a star/super nova etc.

So unless they can come up with some way of stopping the decay of a radioactive element then there is zero way a sizeable amount will get made and able to be stored for any amount of reasonable time.

And why does this element have this claimed property, yet ones above it that we have made as well as ones below it do not?

Any claims of unique geometry in the electrons or inside the nuclei are dubious, granted there is only one 115 but, again with the isotopes you would think bob would know the EXACT one that was stable and had this claimed property


Yes, I'm thinking the scientists there at S4 would have tested some for the statistics inside and then having it revealed of the magic numbers causing nuclear stability/isotopic ratio etc. That information would be mind blowing valuable. Not sure how free all that info would be inside a place like S4 though.

Sorry if I didn't have time to fully examine your previous points.
If the super nova creates material with a higher number of neutrons than anything that could be synthesized on Earth.
Your only going to get material in a lab with the very beginning chain of neutrons so it will begin light on neutrons, (and thus unstable).

This is where the problem lies in synthesizing elements because there is no current technology allowing some customized higher number of neutrons. Making your own isotopic ratios with higher neutrons to find nuclear stability is beyond current technology unfortunately, from what I have read about it
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posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 11:29 PM
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posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 11:42 PM
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a reply to: zazzafrazz



A pretty interesting graphic on nuclear stability and isotopic ratios. Look at where element 115 would be and the theorized stable isotope. Looks like 185ish neutrons?

If only a person could try every combination cheaply and easily, imagine the things that might happen. (Scary CERN things come to mind.)


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posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 12:05 AM
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a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Any less valuable then the knowledge of et life and the way their craft work?

That is the only thing they didn't tell him it seems.



posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 12:13 AM
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originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Any less valuable then the knowledge of et life and the way their craft work?

That is the only thing they didn't tell him it seems.



Just saying if he really was there and all, he threw it away by bailing out too soon, so couldn't possibly learn the really really good stuff. I Can't cast blame though, seemed to be a very hostile work atmosphere. Even a volatile and dangerous one.
I believe Bob, and I believe George Knapp about him as well.

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posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 12:21 AM
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a reply to: Springer

Springer, it would be great to get a first hand account of the event, your impressions, and any new insights you might be able to share with us. I watched the movie and while most of what was discussed I was already familiar with I did find it incredibly ironic that if Bob Lazar is considered to be a fraud that the FBI would raid his business the day after the element 115 conversation with Jeremy.

Seems like overkill for someone who supposedly made up a UFO story.

Bob said it best in the movie. If someone has an alternative story to his actual story then lay it out. To date I've never heard a plausible alternative story from anyone other than disjointed opinions based on nothing of substance.

I'll say it one last time. If Bob Lazar is supposedly a fraud and a liar then why the hell would the FBI raid his business the day after he had a conversation with Jeremy about element 115? And why would the FBI reference that conversation if they were "looking for an invoice" regarding a sale from 2 years ago?

Doesn't add up in the slightest and it gives credence to Bob's claims.



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