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Asian "Herbivore" Men in Japan and China, 70% of the male population

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posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 02:51 PM
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a reply to: SprocketUK

www.google.com...&oq=bull#+jobs&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i60l2.3543j0j4&client=ms-android-att-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8< br />
I'm trying to post you a link to a description on this book but ill end the conversation with you here trying being less of an a-hole




posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 02:52 PM
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a reply to: Hypntick

Yuck. Cant deal with that.



posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 03:00 PM
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Marriage is the leading cause of divorce. I'm just fine with being a lone-wolf.
I've had plenty of girlfriends. They come and go.



posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 03:05 PM
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a reply to: Hypntick

www.japantimes.co.jp...-hKjIU

found this



While Japanese society and the media continue to exhort — nay plead — with women to find marriage partners, 60 percent of eligible women say they cannot feel relaxed enough to get interested in renai (love relationships), according to a Yomeishu survey picked up by cocolini jp.



posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 03:11 PM
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www.theatlantic.com...



But there’s another, simpler explanation for the country’s low birth rate, one that has implications for the U.S.: Japan’s birth rate may be falling because there are fewer good opportunities for young people, and especially men, in the country’s economy. In a country where men are still widely expected to be breadwinners and support families, a lack of good jobs may be creating a class of men who don’t marry and have children because they—and their potential partners—know they can’t afford to.

“The gender stuff is pretty consistent with trends around the world—men are having a harder time,” said Anne Allison, a professor of cultural anthropology at Duke University who edited the recent collection of scholarly essays Japan: The Precarious Future. “The birth rate is down, even the coupling rate is down. And people will say the number-one reason is economic insecurity.”


another analysis that may confirm some of the earlier post



posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 03:22 PM
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originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: toysforadults


Since this is about Japan, a few things come to mind.
As a society, they still have this overbearing cultural expectation looming over each person, especially the males. To be super successful or be branded a failure...in whatever field.

Housing in Japan is ridiculous. Mortgages that are passed on to your descendants in some cases. How's a young man supposed to ever get his own place to bring up a family in this sort of environment?

Which leads back to the first point. Previously you could be a great engineer, putting together cars that would run for 200k miles, or building ships that would criss cross the oceans, you could make beautiful, hand crafted swords, furniture...Practice bonsai, make awesome food....These days, you need to make money. That's all that seems to matter, since housing is so extravagantly expensive. Many choose the job that pays, that gives them nothing in terms of wellbeing or respect for their talents.

They grew up with absent fathers who worked 14 or 16 hour days in the office, then spent their last few waking hours getting drunk in some hostess bar so they weren't crushed by the knowledge that their lives were pretty much pointless. They consumed, putting all their hopes and dreams into the new gadget or the trip to the West for a vacation of collecting photos of places they were in too much of a rush to enjoy....

Now, there aren't the same opportunities to amass the wealth and spend it the way their fathers did. Faced with this, they choose the drug of tech and porn. Working just enough to continue to escape each night in the best way they can, in whatever hovel they can afford.

They dropped out but their society is structured in such a way that they have no real freedom to drop out in another way, even the bosozoku gangs seem to be pale imitations of those that came before them.


This depression is what is probably at the heart of them opting out of finding girlfriends. Until things get better, nothing will change.


I guess you live in Japan also.
I've been here since the 70's. You forgot to mention that the men actually worked 7 days a week and were expected to work on their legal holidays.
It is a nation of people that want to escape the old ways. Those that are smart enough migrate to foreign countries. Like you said, things won't change here.
Me, having the motorcycle blood in me, well, the bosozoku gangs are pussies these days. They got some really sexy girlfriends, but I think the girls are mostly attracted to the other girls in the gangs.
It is very easy here for a normal and healthy foreign male to find a loving and caring woman. Very easy. The difficult part is finding one that has a very good family relationship with their parents.



posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 03:35 PM
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Interesting stuff, thanks for bringing it onboard. The classic nature vs nurture paradigm seems at play and while for decades the ratio was thought to be around 50/50, recently nurture(environmental factors such as social, ecological and I submit TECHNOLOGICAL) have tipped the scale to favor nurture, but the tricky part is nurture affects nature and dna over time, altering genes and thus new anomalies in personality making nature more dominant. Guess the pendulum swings..

I highlighted technology because in my opinion, today's sublime technology serves not only as engaging immersive entertainment but also as a surrogate family member in a sense. Television show/movies serve as social pacifiers creating an effect of belonging, self actualization, companionship etc.. The games provide sheer entertainment that seems much more accessible and fun than the potential social awkwardness of courting and maintaining relationships. Perhaps what makes these effects uniquely amplified with Japanese youth is there shyness and timid natures to begin with.

The ratopia experiment is fascinating and I feel that it too is playing a part in this case too, because the Japanese burgeoning population seems to reside in more confined spaces both personal (house/rooms) and on a broader scale(cities/neighborhoods) than most other areas of civilization. As mentioned the me me me attitude contributes to this as well I think, which is a sign of the times I suppose, not only from ratopia effect but coupled with ever growing extreme reaching and imposing marketing that promotes self gratification.

This is all pure speculation on my part btw, just adding some thoughts.



posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 04:33 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

“These herbivore men don’t connect with others, they don’t establish their own families or have children and don’t really contribute anything meaningful to society, either tangibly or intangibly,” says Wong

This is just blatant bashing and propaganda. I have no doubt a percentage fall into this category, but from what I've read about this phenomena, a good percentage of these men are middle class with good jobs or businesses, and are as sociable as anyone else, they just aren't interested in taking the risks associated with relationships, marriage, and children the way things are at present.



posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 04:35 PM
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a reply to: Klassified

you could be true it does have kind of an insulting tone to it but they are trying to shame men into not being this way which to me is a sign or symbolic of what these people are saying they are done with



posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 04:36 PM
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a reply to: subfab
It is ok to date absolutely, we are men and need sex. Marrying on the other wnd or entering a relationship under the same roof is pure insanity atm given the current female imperative.

Everything to lose and nothing to gain
edit on 18-11-2018 by Kalsek because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 04:51 PM
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I think as far as Japan goes, that birth rate drop has more to do with a pretty screwed up high-pressure, "succeed & drip with money or else, you failure" kind of society shrieking on their shoulder every waking moment.

That'd drive me to preemptive celibacy & video game fantasy lives if I were a man, too.

I can't imagine a more sucktacular kind of life than that kind of unrelenting pressure to achieve, achieve, achieve. I thought the Chinese kids with their Tiger Moms had it bad enough (though not all are, my stepmom has always been pretty lax & thinks "Tiger Mom" is a detrimental route to go with) BUT, in hindsight, the Japanese have taken it to a whole new, and very self-destructive as far as societies go, kind of level.

In other words, they found the big red Self Destruct button, and mashed TF out of it.



posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 04:54 PM
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a reply to: Nyiah

America and other cultures are not much better. We have that old anglo-christian work ethic, work your ass off or your a loser mentality in America but not to the same levels. It's kind of ridiculous like what the hell do we need to do all this work for to chase some fantasyland movie like perfect life that's been beaten into everyone's mind by western propaganda since ww2?



posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 05:01 PM
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Guys in Japan date make believe girls on apps on their phone , there was a story in the last week or two about some guy wanting to marry his phone sweetheart



This is one crazy crazy planet



posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 05:03 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Nyiah

America and other cultures are not much better. We have that old anglo-christian work ethic, work your ass off or your a loser mentality in America but not to the same levels. It's kind of ridiculous like what the hell do we need to do all this work for to chase some fantasyland movie like perfect life that's been beaten into everyone's mind by western propaganda since ww2?


People are starting to get the idea that they're getting paid less and expected to do more, expected to take work home as if it's homework due in the morning, and are losing that precious off-the-clock time that used to be for enjoying life as a reward FOR that hard work (money aside) to recuperating in their downtime from the mentally or physically exhausting jobs, or still working at home.

We may have had a similar work ethic, but that was back in the days when dad didn't have to commute several hours each way to work through gridlock traffic, houses and cars could actually be afforded with just one job, and if you were satisfied with the job you had and it's income, that was great -- you achieved a sufficient balance between money and status.

That's no longer the case in the US, and there's a reason why people are getting frustrated.

Japan's take on that is nothing is ever good enough, therefore, KEEP SLAVING, WORTHLESS SLAVE. That's why they're stagnating. This is the mentality we're adopting stateside, and it's not going to bode well for us in the long-term.
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posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 05:07 PM
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I totally agree. "the economy is booming cause trump" is such a nonsensical position and it doesn't reflect in any of the REAL economic data not the crap they parrot on TV

we get practically nothing out of our hardwork and the shareholders get EVERYTHING meanwhile 50% of the workforce is working poor



posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 05:31 PM
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originally posted by: stonerwilliam
Guys in Japan date make believe girls on apps on their phone , there was a story in the last week or two about some guy wanting to marry his phone sweetheart



This is one crazy crazy planet


I missed that one


XL5

posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 05:33 PM
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The way to solve this is sperm donor sex bots. The govt. of Japan sells anime sex bots that store the owners profile (IQ, height and picture) then cool the sample down after the deed is done and it gets picked up. Then the bot is returned and the owner is given some money and maybe gift cards so he can go on a real date. In my opinion though, girls need to get the white picket fences out of their mind/ass and see what is happening economically as a whole and understand they are looking for a real unicorn.

The future is silicon or silicone however you spell it.



posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 05:34 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Nyiah

I totally agree. "the economy is booming cause trump" is such a nonsensical position and it doesn't reflect in any of the REAL economic data not the crap they parrot on TV

we get practically nothing out of our hardwork and the shareholders get EVERYTHING meanwhile 50% of the workforce is working poor


I don't think your 50% is quite accurate. You do realize now that both husband and wife HAVE to work to make ends meet. And yet at the end of the month after all bills are paid, they may have only saved one dollar even if that in the bank.



posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 05:38 PM
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a reply to: musicismagic

Here is the link www.mirror.co.uk...




posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 05:44 PM
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could be true, $15 an hour right now is to low to live on if you have to pay for medical, car and rent all at the same time you can't do it on 15 unless you have a second job or work overtime







 
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