Love your sig Shadow LOL

I guess they confirmed identities of people by comparing their DNA to family members and perhaps samples from their homes. The list is a list of identified people. Nothing, nowhere says or implies that there were no DNA samples that were not identified and could not belong to the terrorists.
I really, really can't see where people are getting the idea that any of the documents say or imply that there were no arabic/middle eastern people on the plane. Nothing that has been put forward so far says or implies this in any way whatsoever!

Crusader - the plot doesn't thicken though! Nothing new has been put forward and the existing statements mean nothing! They are beyond mis-interpretation and into the realms of stupidity!

Even in the words of the covering letter of the FOIA sourced document it says:

Attached file contains the names of the 58 victims of AA flight 77 that were identified here at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology.

Identified - again - they match samples to existing family members or DNA aquired from their homes/etc.
Obviously there is a good chance they would not have oppurtunity to do this with the Terrorists. It is not a final list of all the passengers on the plane and nor is the list in the media. I really can't understand for the life of me how anyone can make such a blunder to think it is.

There is nothing clever or proud in delibrately mis-interpreting information and leaving out important aspects in trying to prove some 'cause'. There are plenty of dark sordid little secrets out there to investigate and uncover, but what is being discussed in this thread isn't beyond belief - it's just nothing - zilch - nada.

There is nothing to be discussed regarding the presence of men of Middle Eastern descent on the aircraft in relation to the documents put forward. They neither state nor imply at any point that there were or where not such people on the plane. It's not even an easy mistake to make, it's crystal clear primary school maths and common sense all bundled into one.

Either some people havn't bothered reading the material or they have severe issues with their ability to process information. I'm not even using any references from any other sources, just the information from the sources supplied.

[edit on 6-10-2005 by AgentSmith]

Originally posted by AgentSmith
Love your sig Shadow LOL

I guess they confirmed identities of people by comparing their DNA to family members and perhaps samples from their homes. The list is a list of identified people.

Thankyou AgentSmith

If they had DNA samples to compare with the test would be very accurate.

Ancestry testing is rather new but they are already developing other tests aimed at determining a suspect's eye color from and hair color from a DNA sample.

Ancestry testing seems to be most popular now with people trying to determine whether they are descended from Native Americans.

Maybe to get their hands on some of that Casino money

Originally posted by billybob
so they had extra bodies from the planes, no hijackers listed on the passenger lists, and they identified nearly 100% of the remains(there was a baby that was unidentifiable).

This is incorrect. They couldn't find anything to ID the 3yrd old Dana Falkenberg with. They found 5 adults that they couldn't identify. Three people were left off the first, Mr and Mrs Plogger, and Teague. The ploggers were on their way to their honeymoon and people saw them off at the airport.

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by billybob
so they had extra bodies from the planes, no hijackers listed on the passenger lists, and they identified nearly 100% of the remains(there was a baby that was unidentifiable).

This is incorrect. They couldn't find anything to ID the 3yrd old Dana Falkenberg with. They found 5 adults that they couldn't identify. Three people were left off the first, Mr and Mrs Plogger, and Teague. The ploggers were on their way to their honeymoon and people saw them off at the airport.

okay, that's not that different than what i said, except you have included more detail.
there are still no arabs on the flight.
airlines are meticulous about headcounts. all the people on the passenger list are accounted for and identified in the autopsy. none of them are arabs.

Originally posted by billybob
all the people on the passenger list are accounted for and identified in the autopsy. none of them are arabs.

It does not say or imply this anywhere on the autopsy report or in the CNN list.

Originally posted by billybob
there are still no arabs on the flight.

There are arabs on the flight, there are not hijackers listed as 'innocent victims' of the crime that the hijakcers commited.

airlines are meticulous about headcounts. all the people on the passenger list are accounted for and identified in the autopsy. none of them are arabs.

And there are precisely 5 remains that were found that could not be identified, along with a total passenger count of 64, as from the AA CNN webpage, 64 people on board. The terrorists were left off.

did they screw up? is it 56/58/59 including crew? or six crew and fifty eight/nine passnegers?
"honor the 125 Pentagon employees and 59 passengers on Flight 77 who lost their lives a year ago tomorrow. "(from the site)

Yeah, it looks like they screwed up. How does the conspiracy theory explain this??? How does it support it???

moser caned

from the site
). Although she had trouble with the names, you can do a phonetic match of all the names she read with each of the identified hijackers,

What does this have to do with it?

It is likely that "Mosear Caned" was their first attempt to add a nineteenth hijacker to the list,

Absolutely ridiculous. 'They' used these scientists to make remote control devices for jetliners, then meticulously put them all on the same plane, paying special attention to how many bodies they needed to leave in the pentagon to account for the hijackers and having carefully constructed background stories for the hijackers, and that then, as it was being broadcast over the news, they decided to willy nilly start switching names??? Ludicrous.

For all we know Mosear Caned was someone that the authorities thought was a probable hijacker, or a mistake on the part of the newscaster.

i WILL go on more, later.

Uhm, i suggest that you make some sort of coherent argument or present a sensible theory supported by evidence in total, rather than throwing sketchy information around willy nilly.


As far as there being varying counts of people on the plane, one body was never recovered, 50 were presented at first, with 3 people being added later, and at least one of them was a three year old, who, as far as I know, doesn't need a ticket (but I might be wrong about that). Why does it matter that some websites report different counts? The wikipedia has two different sets, one with 50 passengers and six crew (minus the terrorists because its talking about the victims), and another with the full count of 64 people in total. But what's it matter? Are they all in on the conspiracy? Or is the only way to explain confusion over who was on the planes that a conspiracy was involved???


Also, the original issue here was that there were no arabs on the list, in the morgue, and that there was a difference between the names on the autopsy list and the AA CNN flight list, are you still saying that there are issues unresolved with that information??

[edit on 7-10-2005 by Nygdan]

motive?

In Daytona Beach, Kap said he told FBI investigators the men in his bar spent $200 to $300 apiece on lap dances and drinks, paying with credit cards. Kap said he gave the FBI credit card receipts, photocopied driver's licenses, a business card left by one man and a copy of the Quran - the sacred book of Islam - that was left at the bar.

no virgins for you!

(these guys can't manage to not simultaneously TAKE the koran everywhere they go, and LEAVE it everywhere they go. quite a feat for "islamic fundamentalists" who don't follow the holy laws at all.)

Billybob, you appear to be deviating away from the topic of conversation which is 'Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77'.
There are countless over threads on the board regarding motives behind 9/11 for the different parties involved or alleged to be involved.

The fact of the matter is, the statement ''Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77'' is completely inaccurate and this thread is about proving it one way or the other - and there is 0 (zero) evidence to suggest that it is true.

The autopsy report lists 58 identified bodies of the 64 passengers/crew and does NOT say anywhere nor does it imply at any stage that there were no Arabs on flight 77, which is the topic of conversation.

It is easy for you and others to accept that there was a toddler/baby on board who was known to be there but they could not identify any bodyparts of, but it's impossible for you to believe that in the case of the hijackers. If they have no reference DNA to compare the burnt chunks of flesh with, then they could therefore not identify the parts to individual persons.

Thomas Quinn, a New York-based spokesman for Saudi Arabian Airlines, said many of the airline's pilots came to the United States for flight training. Foreign students must be sponsored by an airline to attend Flight Safety.

so, who sponsored them? a member of the safari club, perhaps?

my conlicting body counts are from cnn, the department of defense(not indepentdent media) official website, and the navy's official website(also not), and, originally a copy of the autopsy report obtained through the freedom of information act.

you SERIOUSLY think they made a mistake with the counts? what, a typo? on sites that are meant to represent one of the biggest historical landmarks in american history? talk about disrespecting the victims. they don't even know how many to fabricate were actually there.

they screwed up, all right. they screwed up the lie, .....AGAIN.

rummy said a plane AND a missile were used on the pentagon. RUMMY, ferchrissakes.

i imagine a stunt double plane was used, and the mostly raytheon/military industrialists and hard right-wingers on board are all kicking back on a beach somewhere drinking mai tais.

you all trust secrecy WAAAAAAAYYYY too much.

Originally posted by billybob

Thomas Quinn, a New York-based spokesman for Saudi Arabian Airlines, said many of the airline's pilots came to the United States for flight training. Foreign students must be sponsored by an airline to attend Flight Safety.

so, who sponsored them? a member of the safari club, perhaps?

my conlicting body counts are from cnn, the department of defense(not indepentdent media) official website, and the navy's official website(also not), and, originally a copy of the autopsy report obtained through the freedom of information act.

you SERIOUSLY think they made a mistake with the counts? what, a typo? on sites that are meant to represent one of the biggest historical landmarks in american history? talk about disrespecting the victims. they don't even know how many to fabricate were actually there.

they screwed up, all right. they screwed up the lie, .....AGAIN.

rummy said a plane AND a missile were used on the pentagon. RUMMY, ferchrissakes.

i imagine a stunt double plane was used, and the mostly raytheon/military industrialists and hard right-wingers on board are all kicking back on a beach somewhere drinking mai tais.

you all trust secrecy WAAAAAAAYYYY too much.

*STATIC*PTT* I think we need a medic over here...

I think you need to get a grip and realise that mistakes are made in the rush to get out the information that is being cried out for and also stop mis-anlysing the information we have. Nothing proves or siggests there were no Arabs on the plane and that is the topic!

Here's the scary thing - even the big guys up top don't know what's going on sometimes and everyone is desperatly looking at each other looking for info. Sometimes the info released is innaccurate and sometimes web pages are not updated, regardless of the sistuation.. More than often a new one is started up and the old one lies abandoned on the system.

But regardless of that the crucial point is that there is NO proof or valid reports that there were no Arabs on the flight and there are plenty of reports and plenty of evidence there were.

If you think your still right I suggest you write up your 'evidence' in bullet form and present it as a report, rather than making wild and unfounded statements.

And please, please don't insult our intelligence by bringing up reports from the likes of PrisonPlanet and such like "My brother's cousin is an Air Force General and he says....... - honest it's true! We're not the mainstream media so we can write anything without any backup and people will believe us........."

[edit on 7-10-2005 by AgentSmith]

Originally posted by AgentSmith
Billybob, you appear to be deviating away from the topic of conversation which is 'Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77'.
There are countless over threads on the board regarding motives behind 9/11 for the different parties involved or alleged to be involved.

well, mr. smith, i don't believe it deviates at all. in a courtroom, it would be considered. why not here?

Originally posted by AgentSmith
The fact of the matter is, the statement ''Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77'' is completely inaccurate and this thread is about proving it one way or the other - and there is 0 (zero) evidence to suggest that it is true.

59? 58? 64? 56? 61? 0?


why can't you just see the problem? there is a problem. very pivotal evidence has been held under wraps or detroyed for FOUR, count'em, years. nothing wrong with it?

when did the government become the 'parents' of the rest of society? people MUST be 'protected' from EVERYTHING! we can't have victim's families getting upset, now, can we? that matters much more thasn hundreds of millions of concerned citizens being given clear and irrifutable proof that what 'they' say happened, is what really happened. nobody 'needs to know' what happened, except those who are raked in the rewards hand over fist, right?

gaffer tape and saran warp for EVERYONE! no, really. you'll need it. LOOK! a yellow badge.
mr. cheney, haliburton?
mr. bushoil?

so, what's the count?

how many terrorists?
5, 6?

how many passengers?
a. cnn. 50
b. navy 58
c. dept. of defense 59

how many crew? (i think we all agree this is 6)

as a bonus, how many passengers were part of the military/industrial complex?

and in a remarkable coincidence, many of these worked on the very technologies that could have facilitated a faked 911! (remote guidance)



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