Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77

Love your sig Shadow LOL

I guess they confirmed identities of people by comparing their DNA to family members and perhaps samples from their homes. The list is a list of identified people. Nothing, nowhere says or implies that there were no DNA samples that were not identified and could not belong to the terrorists.
I really, really can't see where people are getting the idea that any of the documents say or imply that there were no arabic/middle eastern people on the plane. Nothing that has been put forward so far says or implies this in any way whatsoever!

Crusader - the plot doesn't thicken though! Nothing new has been put forward and the existing statements mean nothing! They are beyond mis-interpretation and into the realms of stupidity!

Even in the words of the covering letter of the FOIA sourced document it says:

Attached file contains the names of the 58 victims of AA flight 77 that were identified here at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology.

Identified - again - they match samples to existing family members or DNA aquired from their homes/etc.
Obviously there is a good chance they would not have oppurtunity to do this with the Terrorists. It is not a final list of all the passengers on the plane and nor is the list in the media. I really can't understand for the life of me how anyone can make such a blunder to think it is.

There is nothing clever or proud in delibrately mis-interpreting information and leaving out important aspects in trying to prove some 'cause'. There are plenty of dark sordid little secrets out there to investigate and uncover, but what is being discussed in this thread isn't beyond belief - it's just nothing - zilch - nada.

There is nothing to be discussed regarding the presence of men of Middle Eastern descent on the aircraft in relation to the documents put forward. They neither state nor imply at any point that there were or where not such people on the plane. It's not even an easy mistake to make, it's crystal clear primary school maths and common sense all bundled into one.

Either some people havn't bothered reading the material or they have severe issues with their ability to process information. I'm not even using any references from any other sources, just the information from the sources supplied.

[edit on 6-10-2005 by AgentSmith]

Originally posted by AgentSmith
Love your sig Shadow LOL

I guess they confirmed identities of people by comparing their DNA to family members and perhaps samples from their homes. The list is a list of identified people.

Thankyou AgentSmith

If they had DNA samples to compare with the test would be very accurate.

Ancestry testing is rather new but they are already developing other tests aimed at determining a suspect's eye color from and hair color from a DNA sample.

Ancestry testing seems to be most popular now with people trying to determine whether they are descended from Native Americans.

Maybe to get their hands on some of that Casino money

Here's a partial manifest I was able to find today, without even really trying very hard.

American Airlines flight 77 manifest: 58 passengers were aboard, but only has 57 listed, below. The missing passenger is Hani Saleh Hanjour, the terrorist suspected of flying the plane into the Pentagon because he was the only pilot among the five suspected hijackers aboard.

"His name was not on the American Airlines manifest for the flight because he may not have had a ticket."

Khalid al-Mihdhar, suspected hijacker

Nawaf al-Hazmi, suspected hijacker

Salem Al Hazmi, suspected hijacker

Dr. [Paul Ambrose]?, 32, physician.

[Yeneneh Betru]?, 35, Burbank, Calif., director of medical affairs,

[MJ Booth]?

[Bernard Brown]?, 11, student, Leckie Elementary School (National Geographic Society educational trip)...

[Norma Khan]?, 45, Reston, Va., nonprofit organization manager

[Karen A. Kincaid]?, 40, Washington, D.C., lawyer,

[Dong Lee]?, 48, Leesburg, Va., engineer, Boeing Co.

[Dora Menchaca]?, 45, Santa Monica, Calif.,

Majed Moqued, suspected hijacker

[Christopher Newton]?, 38, Arlington, Va.,

Barbara K. Olson, 45,

www.marsearthconnection.com...

yes, thank you agent smith. for what, i don't know.

the passenger list at cnn has 50 passengers and six crew listed. here's cnn list

from the article:
The AFIP suggest these numbers; 189 killed, 125 worked at the Pentagon and 64 were “passengers” on the plane. The AA list only had 56 and the list just obtained(ed. the autopsy report) has 58. They did not explain how they were able to tell “victims” bodies from “hijacker” bodies. In fact, from the beginning NO explanation has been given for the extra five suggested in news reports except that the FBI showed us the pictures to make up the difference, and that makes it so.

so they had extra bodies from the planes, no hijackers listed on the passenger lists, and they identified nearly 100% of the remains(there was a baby that was unidentifiable).

surely there is nothing to see here, move along.

Originally posted by billybob
so they had extra bodies from the planes, no hijackers listed on the passenger lists, and they identified nearly 100% of the remains(there was a baby that was unidentifiable).

This is incorrect. They couldn't find anything to ID the 3yrd old Dana Falkenberg with. They found 5 adults that they couldn't identify. Three people were left off the first, Mr and Mrs Plogger, and Teague. The ploggers were on their way to their honeymoon and people saw them off at the airport.

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by billybob
so they had extra bodies from the planes, no hijackers listed on the passenger lists, and they identified nearly 100% of the remains(there was a baby that was unidentifiable).

This is incorrect. They couldn't find anything to ID the 3yrd old Dana Falkenberg with. They found 5 adults that they couldn't identify. Three people were left off the first, Mr and Mrs Plogger, and Teague. The ploggers were on their way to their honeymoon and people saw them off at the airport.

okay, that's not that different than what i said, except you have included more detail.
there are still no arabs on the flight.
airlines are meticulous about headcounts. all the people on the passenger list are accounted for and identified in the autopsy. none of them are arabs.

Originally posted by billybob
yes, thank you agent smith. for what, i don't know.

the passenger list at cnn has 50 passengers and six crew listed. here's cnn list

from the article:
The AFIP suggest these numbers; 189 killed, 125 worked at the Pentagon and 64 were “passengers” on the plane. The AA list only had 56 and the list just obtained(ed. the autopsy report) has 58. They did not explain how they were able to tell “victims” bodies from “hijacker” bodies. In fact, from the beginning NO explanation has been given for the extra five suggested in news reports except that the FBI showed us the pictures to make up the difference, and that makes it so.

so they had extra bodies from the planes, no hijackers listed on the passenger lists, and they identified nearly 100% of the remains(there was a baby that was unidentifiable).

surely there is nothing to see here, move along.

But I believe the hijacker's were on the passenger manifests, where they not? That is how they worked out who they were and got names in the first place, along with CCTV footage. They just arn't on the edited lists that have been presented and as I keep saying the autopsy reports is purely based on identified remains. They need DNA to compare against if using that method.

You keep going on like you think that CNN list is some sort of official passenger manifest - which it isn't. Every body was not identified in the autopsy report either, it doesn't say or imply that anywhere on the document.


[edit on 7-10-2005 by AgentSmith]

Originally posted by billybob
all the people on the passenger list are accounted for and identified in the autopsy. none of them are arabs.

It does not say or imply this anywhere on the autopsy report or in the CNN list.

here's what the DOD says, ....

Eight ash trees were planted over the weekend, Mock said. The ninth, he added, was held for the Pentagon Memorial Tree Planting ceremony to honor the 125 Pentagon employees and 59 passengers on Flight 77 who lost their lives a year ago tomorrow.

source

did they screw up? is it 56/58/59 including crew? or six crew and fifty eight/nine passnegers?

the actual passenger manifests from american have never been released. why? they published all the names(supposedly), so why not release the original manifest?

who is mosear caned?

xymphora.blogspot.com...

transcript of original cnn broadcast when the names of the alleged hijackers were announced

here: and the navy says 58

His family said his airplane crashed the day before his 52nd birthday in the shadow of Arlington National Cemetery where his recently deceased parents are buried. All six crew members and 58 passengers on Flight 77 perished in the crash.

i WILL go on more, later.
already, though, there are discrepencies in the oifficial counts and names.
if you are not suspicious of this, then you don't have a problem with authority, mr. anderson.

Originally posted by billybob
there are still no arabs on the flight.

There are arabs on the flight, there are not hijackers listed as 'innocent victims' of the crime that the hijakcers commited.

airlines are meticulous about headcounts. all the people on the passenger list are accounted for and identified in the autopsy. none of them are arabs.

And there are precisely 5 remains that were found that could not be identified, along with a total passenger count of 64, as from the AA CNN webpage, 64 people on board. The terrorists were left off.

did they screw up? is it 56/58/59 including crew? or six crew and fifty eight/nine passnegers?
"honor the 125 Pentagon employees and 59 passengers on Flight 77 who lost their lives a year ago tomorrow. "(from the site)

Yeah, it looks like they screwed up. How does the conspiracy theory explain this??? How does it support it???

moser caned

from the site
). Although she had trouble with the names, you can do a phonetic match of all the names she read with each of the identified hijackers,

What does this have to do with it?

It is likely that "Mosear Caned" was their first attempt to add a nineteenth hijacker to the list,

Absolutely ridiculous. 'They' used these scientists to make remote control devices for jetliners, then meticulously put them all on the same plane, paying special attention to how many bodies they needed to leave in the pentagon to account for the hijackers and having carefully constructed background stories for the hijackers, and that then, as it was being broadcast over the news, they decided to willy nilly start switching names??? Ludicrous.

For all we know Mosear Caned was someone that the authorities thought was a probable hijacker, or a mistake on the part of the newscaster.

i WILL go on more, later.

Uhm, i suggest that you make some sort of coherent argument or present a sensible theory supported by evidence in total, rather than throwing sketchy information around willy nilly.


As far as there being varying counts of people on the plane, one body was never recovered, 50 were presented at first, with 3 people being added later, and at least one of them was a three year old, who, as far as I know, doesn't need a ticket (but I might be wrong about that). Why does it matter that some websites report different counts? The wikipedia has two different sets, one with 50 passengers and six crew (minus the terrorists because its talking about the victims), and another with the full count of 64 people in total. But what's it matter? Are they all in on the conspiracy? Or is the only way to explain confusion over who was on the planes that a conspiracy was involved???


Also, the original issue here was that there were no arabs on the list, in the morgue, and that there was a difference between the names on the autopsy list and the AA CNN flight list, are you still saying that there are issues unresolved with that information??

[edit on 7-10-2005 by Nygdan]

Originally posted by billybob
here's what the DOD says, ....

Eight ash trees were planted over the weekend, Mock said. The ninth, he added, was held for the Pentagon Memorial Tree Planting ceremony to honor the 125 Pentagon employees and 59 passengers on Flight 77 who lost their lives a year ago tomorrow.

source

did they screw up? is it 56/58/59 including crew? or six crew and fifty eight/nine passnegers?

the actual passenger manifests from american have never been released. why? they published all the names(supposedly), so why not release the original manifest?

That'll the independant media screwing up there. I know myself how problomatic they can be with press releases. With all due respect, I think anyone with half a brain can quickly deduce that they mean the 59 people on the plane. If there is a problem with the accuracies of the stories, take it up with the media - not the authorities.

And information is bound to change slightly over time, as people are eager for information and answers immediately, however finding them take time - leading to innaccuracies early on.

The number is therefore accurate, there being 58 identified victims on the list issued in the FOIA request relating to the identified dead, and the baby which was known to be on the aircraft but no body parts were found.

Maybe you are suggesting they honour the terrorists as well then? Is that what you mean? Should they have been included in the number of people honoured?

[edit on 7-10-2005 by AgentSmith]

Originally posted by billybob
the actual passenger manifests from american have never been released. why?

Says who? The Boston Globe reported that they had the passenger manifests for their local flights within a couple of days of 9/11. Of course that doesn't gain so much attention as Olmsteds bogus conclusions, perhaps because it includes information like this...

The Globe said according to the manifest, Mohamed Atta, one of the suspected terrorists, was assigned seat 8D in business class on American Airlines Flight 11, directly across the aisle from Hollywood producer David Angell and his wife, Lynn, who were in seats 8A and 8B, respectively. Seated next to Atta in seat 8G was Abdul Alomari. FBI investigators have searched Alomari's home in Vero Beach.
www.cbsnews.com...

Not Flight 77, but it shows AA have released manifests, and they do contain the hijackers names.

[edit on 7-10-2005 by ashmok]

motive?

In Daytona Beach, Kap said he told FBI investigators the men in his bar spent $200 to $300 apiece on lap dances and drinks, paying with credit cards. Kap said he gave the FBI credit card receipts, photocopied driver's licenses, a business card left by one man and a copy of the Quran - the sacred book of Islam - that was left at the bar.

no virgins for you!

(these guys can't manage to not simultaneously TAKE the koran everywhere they go, and LEAVE it everywhere they go. quite a feat for "islamic fundamentalists" who don't follow the holy laws at all.)

Billybob, you appear to be deviating away from the topic of conversation which is 'Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77'.
There are countless over threads on the board regarding motives behind 9/11 for the different parties involved or alleged to be involved.

The fact of the matter is, the statement ''Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77'' is completely inaccurate and this thread is about proving it one way or the other - and there is 0 (zero) evidence to suggest that it is true.

The autopsy report lists 58 identified bodies of the 64 passengers/crew and does NOT say anywhere nor does it imply at any stage that there were no Arabs on flight 77, which is the topic of conversation.

It is easy for you and others to accept that there was a toddler/baby on board who was known to be there but they could not identify any bodyparts of, but it's impossible for you to believe that in the case of the hijackers. If they have no reference DNA to compare the burnt chunks of flesh with, then they could therefore not identify the parts to individual persons.

Thomas Quinn, a New York-based spokesman for Saudi Arabian Airlines, said many of the airline's pilots came to the United States for flight training. Foreign students must be sponsored by an airline to attend Flight Safety.

so, who sponsored them? a member of the safari club, perhaps?

my conlicting body counts are from cnn, the department of defense(not indepentdent media) official website, and the navy's official website(also not), and, originally a copy of the autopsy report obtained through the freedom of information act.

you SERIOUSLY think they made a mistake with the counts? what, a typo? on sites that are meant to represent one of the biggest historical landmarks in american history? talk about disrespecting the victims. they don't even know how many to fabricate were actually there.

they screwed up, all right. they screwed up the lie, .....AGAIN.

rummy said a plane AND a missile were used on the pentagon. RUMMY, ferchrissakes.

i imagine a stunt double plane was used, and the mostly raytheon/military industrialists and hard right-wingers on board are all kicking back on a beach somewhere drinking mai tais.

you all trust secrecy WAAAAAAAYYYY too much.

Originally posted by billybob

Thomas Quinn, a New York-based spokesman for Saudi Arabian Airlines, said many of the airline's pilots came to the United States for flight training. Foreign students must be sponsored by an airline to attend Flight Safety.

so, who sponsored them? a member of the safari club, perhaps?

my conlicting body counts are from cnn, the department of defense(not indepentdent media) official website, and the navy's official website(also not), and, originally a copy of the autopsy report obtained through the freedom of information act.

you SERIOUSLY think they made a mistake with the counts? what, a typo? on sites that are meant to represent one of the biggest historical landmarks in american history? talk about disrespecting the victims. they don't even know how many to fabricate were actually there.

they screwed up, all right. they screwed up the lie, .....AGAIN.

rummy said a plane AND a missile were used on the pentagon. RUMMY, ferchrissakes.

i imagine a stunt double plane was used, and the mostly raytheon/military industrialists and hard right-wingers on board are all kicking back on a beach somewhere drinking mai tais.

you all trust secrecy WAAAAAAAYYYY too much.

*STATIC*PTT* I think we need a medic over here...

I think you need to get a grip and realise that mistakes are made in the rush to get out the information that is being cried out for and also stop mis-anlysing the information we have. Nothing proves or siggests there were no Arabs on the plane and that is the topic!

Here's the scary thing - even the big guys up top don't know what's going on sometimes and everyone is desperatly looking at each other looking for info. Sometimes the info released is innaccurate and sometimes web pages are not updated, regardless of the sistuation.. More than often a new one is started up and the old one lies abandoned on the system.

But regardless of that the crucial point is that there is NO proof or valid reports that there were no Arabs on the flight and there are plenty of reports and plenty of evidence there were.

If you think your still right I suggest you write up your 'evidence' in bullet form and present it as a report, rather than making wild and unfounded statements.

And please, please don't insult our intelligence by bringing up reports from the likes of PrisonPlanet and such like "My brother's cousin is an Air Force General and he says....... - honest it's true! We're not the mainstream media so we can write anything without any backup and people will believe us........."

[edit on 7-10-2005 by AgentSmith]

Originally posted by AgentSmith
Billybob, you appear to be deviating away from the topic of conversation which is 'Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77'.
There are countless over threads on the board regarding motives behind 9/11 for the different parties involved or alleged to be involved.

well, mr. smith, i don't believe it deviates at all. in a courtroom, it would be considered. why not here?

Originally posted by AgentSmith
The fact of the matter is, the statement ''Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77'' is completely inaccurate and this thread is about proving it one way or the other - and there is 0 (zero) evidence to suggest that it is true.

59? 58? 64? 56? 61? 0?


why can't you just see the problem? there is a problem. very pivotal evidence has been held under wraps or detroyed for FOUR, count'em, years. nothing wrong with it?

when did the government become the 'parents' of the rest of society? people MUST be 'protected' from EVERYTHING! we can't have victim's families getting upset, now, can we? that matters much more thasn hundreds of millions of concerned citizens being given clear and irrifutable proof that what 'they' say happened, is what really happened. nobody 'needs to know' what happened, except those who are raked in the rewards hand over fist, right?

gaffer tape and saran warp for EVERYONE! no, really. you'll need it. LOOK! a yellow badge.
mr. cheney, haliburton?
mr. bushoil?

so, what's the count?

how many terrorists?
5, 6?

how many passengers?
a. cnn. 50
b. navy 58
c. dept. of defense 59

how many crew? (i think we all agree this is 6)

as a bonus, how many passengers were part of the military/industrial complex?

and in a remarkable coincidence, many of these worked on the very technologies that could have facilitated a faked 911! (remote guidance)



[edit on 7-10-2005 by billybob]

Originally posted by billybob

Originally posted by AgentSmith
Billybob, you appear to be deviating away from the topic of conversation which is 'Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77'.
There are countless over threads on the board regarding motives behind 9/11 for the different parties involved or alleged to be involved.

well, mr. smith, i don't believe it deviates at all. in a courtroom, it would be considered. why not here?

'In the court' it would be deemed irrelavent to the case, it is nothing to do with wherever or not the Autopsy report conclusively says there were Arabic people on Flight 77 or not.

The fact of the matter is, the statement ''Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77'' is completely inaccurate and this thread is about proving it one way or the other - and there is 0 (zero) evidence to suggest that it is true.

59? 58? 64? 56? 61? 0?

why can't you just see the problem? there is a problem. very pivotal evidence has been held under wraps or detroyed for FOUR, count'em, years. nothing wrong with it?

There is nothing wrong with the amount of time it takes ot sift through rubble and remains and to accurately identify every part and catalog it. Also taking into account the sourcing of reference DNA.

when did the government become the 'parents' of the rest of society? people MUST be 'protected' from EVERYTHING! we can't have victim's families getting upset, now, can we? that matters much more thasn hundreds of millions of concerned citizens being given clear and irrifutable proof that what 'they' say happened, is what really happened. nobody 'needs to know' what happened, except those who are raked in the rewards hand over fist, right?

What are you on about? It was the media's choice to present their version how they saw fit and if the authorities could not conclusively identify body remains of the terrorists or maybe find them all then what do you expect them to do? Make it up?

gaffer tape and saran warp for EVERYONE! no, really. you'll need it. LOOK! a yellow badge.
mr. cheney, haliburton?
mr. bushoil?

What ever your on about, you need to lay off the drink before hitting the keyboard, trust me I talk from experience.

so, what's the count?

how many terrorists?
5, 6?

how many passengers?
a. cnn. 50
b. navy 58
c. dept. of defense 59

how many crew? (i think we all agree this is 6)

Not sure what the Navy thing is about there, but the DoD thing does not say there were 59 passengers, they say there were 58 victims identified.
If you check out the crew for Flight 77:

CREW

Charles Burlingame, captain; David Charlebois, first officer; Michele Heidenberger; Jennifer Lewis; Kenneth Lewis; Renee May;
sep11.wikipedia.org...:_plane_passengers

They are in the list of identified victims in the DoD report here:



Even on Wikipedia they manage to make a mistake in the number of people between two of their OWN pages:

The plane crashed into the western side of The Pentagon in Arlington County, Virginia, just south of Washington, DC at 9:37 AM EDT, killing all of its 58 passengers (including the hijackers) and 6 crew
en.wikipedia.org...

AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77

Departed Washington to Los Angeles.

Crashed into the Pentagon.

56 people aboard.

Ed: They don't list the hijackers on this page, only the victims
sep11.wikipedia.org...:_plane_passengers

Oh and please, please come back with how Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, becasue I want to chip back with, 'what? You think that one or two people get to write the official reports, media reports and everything else on paper or on screen?'
There are descrepancies even on there due to lack of updating and opinons in how to write it up.

So give yourself a pat on the back, you've uncovered some clerical errors - start the revolution!

as a bonus, how many passengers were part of the military/industrial complex?

and in a remarkable coincidence, the very technologies that could have facilitated a faked 911! (remote guidance)

This isn't James Bond or Austin Powers, if anything like what your suggesting would take place no clues as blatent as that would be left. Don't try and kid yourself, it's a lot scarier than that in the real world.
They don't leave clues so the folks watching at home can solve the mystery and feel all proud you know...



It's not that simple I'm afraid, you have to try a lot harder....

[edit on 7-10-2005 by AgentSmith]

so angry. so insulting.

oh well. what ever floats yer boat.

so, how many terrorists?
how many passengers?
how many crew?


here's another shell shocker for people who have reasoning abilities......

if they died, why aren't they dead?

Interesting website, seems a bit weird though:

What's a statement like this meant ot mean for a start:

During this broadcast, Mrs. Mariani said that she was the only relative of all the passengers that died on Flight 175 that crashed into the South Tower. Her lawyer, Phil Berg, repeated this statement.

What's that about? Is she clinically insane? Maybe she's having a mad attempt to claim compensation money for all of them...

The pod thing has been equally debunked by other people, but the big question is why would they have it anyway? Can you give me ONE good reason why they would fire a missile in first and what exactly would be gained that would be worth risking it being captured by hundreds of video and photo cameras? How do you know these images we see in things like '9/11 In plane sight' arn't just edited, they say they are enhanced. I've seen other versions which barely show a flash, more like a vague glimmer like a reflection - turn the brightness up and hey presto we have a missile hit!
Once again, common sense should pose the question of why have something so obvious and unnecessary anyway.

And the Social Security Death Index, I tried to check myself like the article suggests but it links to the government page here
www.socialsecurity.gov... and not "a privately-owned website that is not affiliated with Social Security" like the article states.

If somehow it is true anyway, and he checked a private site, something along the lines of ancestry.com - then records are not updated as frequently and accurately as on official sites anyway! Hell, they are still adding censuses from 100 years ago!

Have you checked it yourself, or are you just taking his word for it, if you do - please can you let me know what site he means and can I have their Social Security numbers too, just to make sure there is no confusion and the right people are identified. You can also call them up and enquire how up to date they are with their records while your at it.

And his claims regarding the lack of people on the 9/11 Compensation fund list, well here is another blunder - by him.
The date of the list that is available is April 22nd 2002 - only about 7 months after the attacks. Applications for the fund did not finish until December 22nd 2003 and a lot of people didn't rush out straight away or even bother.
That's why the list doesn't show anyone claiming for Flight 93 but the final reports says 25 did - because it's missing over 1 and a half years worth of information out of just over 2 years worth.
Not a mystery at all really!

Here's a good write up dated September 4th 2003, on people claiming and why some didn't right here, it might answer some of your questions:

Since his wife was killed in the World Trade Center attack, Charles Wolf has filled a desk and three storage boxes in his Greenwich Village home with paperwork. Yet even as he carefully added to the files supporting a claim for government compensation, he questioned the fairness of the system and anguished over whether to apply.

Now, nearly two years after the attack, Wolf said he has decided to file a claim with the federal victims compensation fund - an extraordinarily difficult decision still facing hundreds of other families with a deadline less than four months away.

.......................

As of late August, 2,275 claims had been filed. But roughly 1,700 families had yet to decide whether to enroll with the fund or join lawsuits against the airlines, security companies and government agencies.

.......................

A small minority of families have decided to do nothing at all - forsaking both the guaranteed payment from the fund, and the hoped-for vindication from a lawsuit.

.......................

Margaret Britton, whose sister-in-law Marion Britton died aboard Flight 93, said her family doesn't blame the airlines, and doesn't want taxpayer money.

“Some people think it's strange, but we just felt that in this case, it wasn't anyone's fault, it didn't warrant a lawsuit,” Britton said. “We were not financially tied to my sister; it wasn't like she was the breadwinner for the family.”

.........................

Alice Hoglan, who lost her son Mark Bingham on Flight 93, has decided to sue, even as her ex-husband, Mark's father, has filed with the fund.

“People say the fund is quick and easy and safe - well, I don't want that,” Hoglan said. “I want the truth... and let the chips fall where they may.”

..........................

www.cbsnews.com...

I recommend reading the whole article - it is very informative and answers a lot of questions.

I also suggest doing one's own research before blindly accepting the word of another crackpot and his deeply flawed theories, by doing so it tars us all with the same brush - and when we do have something good to say no-one worth telling will want to listen.

[edit on 8-10-2005 by AgentSmith]