Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77, page 1
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Topic started on 5-7-2003 @ 02:28 PM by Grommer
www.sierratimes.com...

the conspiracy is getting deeper, more facts are starting to come out. this is simply more evidence against the whole thing. I dont necessarily agree with the writers style in particular, but the facts are there. what do you think?


reply posted on 6-10-2005 @ 10:54 AM by billybob
wow. how this one is slipping under the radar, i just don't know, lol!

no arabs on flight 77 part two.

this list was obtained from the government using the freedom of information act. if you 'debunk' it, you are admitting that the government is lying and falsifying information. if you accept it as truth, then the government is lying and falsifying information.

have it your way at bildeberger king.


reply posted on 6-10-2005 @ 12:02 PM by AgentSmith
The passenger list on CNN that is used in the reports state that there were 64 people on the plane.
The list on CNN has only 56 and they say in the article their FOIA list had 58. Do the unnamed people include the terrorists? In which case the list may very well not include Arabic sounding names?

American Airlines Flight 77, from Washington to Los Angeles, crashed into the Pentagon with 64 people aboard.

edition.cnn.com...

I don't understand the relevance of whever or not there were any other arabic names on the list, nor how it would affect them passing through security? In fact, if there were only that small group of them, it would make it even more likely they wouldn't get stopped by the authorities, for fear of racial profiling accusations by airport staff.
If they only had box cutters, by what I assume are meant are plastic knives with small, snap off stanley blades or similar - then they most likely would not set off any sensors anyway.

Most of the stuff in the article seems like old hat and the released passenger list under FOIA appears to hold no revelations whatsoever.

I did a little check on the 'Sierra Times' as well, and it seems like another PrisonPlanet style site, without the 'style' even.

Seems to be run by these two:

J.J. Johnson – Ranch Editor-in-Chief

Johnson handles the overall site operations, and is the C.E.O of The Sierra Times – a trademarked Nevada Corporation. Johnson is responsible for any and all information posted on Sierra Times. In short, no matter who does what, the buck stops here.


Henrietta Bowman

Henrietta is chief barkeep at the Sagebrush Saloon, where the conversations are hot, and the insults are cold. Most folks who know Henrietta know that when it comes to "keepin' the peace", she has a real itchy trigger finger.


www.sierratimes.com...

I'm especially impressed with Henrietta's Resume, I expect she gets some 'real hot goss' down at the Saloon there, where she is privvy to all manners of intelligence.

And when they finally take over the world to make it a better place, we can look forward to her 'itchy trigger finger'.


reply posted on 6-10-2005 @ 12:08 PM by syrinx high priest
Originally posted by Grommer
www.sierratimes.com...

the conspiracy is getting deeper, more facts are starting to come out. this is simply more evidence against the whole thing. I dont necessarily agree with the writers style in particular, but the facts are there. what do you think?


my work firewall prevented me from seeing the article, it was blocked as entertainment

anyway, how do you tell someone is arab by an autopsy ?


reply posted on 6-10-2005 @ 01:23 PM by AgentSmith
Originally posted by billybob
look.
a doctor from new orleans filed a FOIA request for the autopsy report.
he got it, ....finally.
the list had three extra people on it. they were white.
the passenger list read like a who's who of remote control missile guidance.
there were no arabs on the report. dna analysis can identify race.

no arabs on flight 77. get it?


You must have missed the bit where I pointed out that there are 6 missing people in the FOIA report. The extra people were white? So what - there were still 6 missing people after that.
In the words of the reference article:

The AFIP suggest these numbers; 189 killed, 125 worked at the Pentagon and 64 were “passengers” on the plane. The AA list only had 56 and the list just obtained has 58.
www.sierratimes.com...


That's 64-58=6

That's 6 missing names, one of which I believe was a toddler who's body was not found:

The AFIP claims that the only “passenger” body that they were not able to identify is the toddler, Dana Falkenberg, whose parents and young sister are on the list of those identified. www.sierratimes.com...


6-1=5

One would therefore deduce the remaining 5 were the Hijackers, which had already been named.

I imagine they would be at the front of the plane and in the cockpit, a pretty sure bet their bodies would be the first to disintegrate one may argue and hence why there were no body parts to identify.

I really don't see anything here that is any more than the usual empty clutching of straws with no proof of anything whatsoever.

the passenger list read like a who's who of remote control missile guidance.


Yeah... and they even flew on the plane just to make sure that it hit the target so they could marvel at theri handywork.
Or was it not the plane that hit? So they stuck them on the pretend plane together for what reason exactly?

Mod Edit: Fixed Missing Bold Tag.

[edit on 6/10/2005 by Mirthful Me]


reply posted on 6-10-2005 @ 02:19 PM by AgentSmith
They weren't on the passenger list given out by the media becasue they were already named as the hijackers. I guess the media were wrong in thinking that people could work it out for themselves. Friends and family of the deceased may have even found it distressing or inappropiate to see the terrorists listed amongst the innocent dead.
And there are not any extra bodies, this is some stupid myth that seems to be propogated by an uneducated or misinformed few.
There were 64 people on the plane, one would deduce that this was derived from the passenger manifest.
There were 56 people listed on the original list in the media and the FOIA report lists 58 bodies that were analysed.
Bearing in mind that the terrorists would have been in the fornt of the aircraft and the cockpit, maybe even all in the cockpit at that time it is not unusual to deduce that they may have disintegrated completely in the initial impact, hence no parts to analyse.

They weren't in the CNN list because they were already named seperately and they weren't in the autopsy report because no body parts could be found and/or identified.
The autopsy report deals with physical body parts and does not include CCTV evidence, manifests, etc. They may have known that the terrorists boarded from CCTV, but they may have had no reference DNA to compare any remains too for identification, which I believe someone else has already pointed out - hence knowing who they were but there names not being on the list of identified (by the autopsies) victims.

There are no 'extra' passengers, not once does it say or imply that in anything that I have seen as of yet. All I have seen is the twisted misinterpretations by some desperate people who badly want to start some sort of revolution so they can feel important and believe they have actually managed to accomplish something with their lives. Unfortunatly those few seem to easily drag down other well-meaning people that havn't analysed the facts completely and try and make them part of their, er plan or whatever it is.

And I'd like to make a clear distinction between that minority of people and the many others that simply want to find out the truth. Completely forgetting, of course, the even greater majority of people that are too zombified or stupid to even bother questioning anything. Not that any of them would be here to read it anyway.

What would be suspicious however, would be if there was a copy of the actual manifest from that morning, not some media hash together or an autopsy report, the actual manifest and that not having the names on it. And I believe that they named the terrorists from the manifest.

I really can't understand how anyone can confuse passenger lists by the media, airline passenger manifests and autopsy reports, but obviously there are more than just a few that fall victim to this!

And moving onto killing these remote guidance experts, well... How stupid does one have to be in putting them all on the plane together?
Anyway, wouldn't they think it was slightly odd that they were all told to board the aircraft that was going to crash? Or are there witnesses to them being carried onto the plane? Maybe Murdock was the pilot....
I mean, who the hell would stick these 'prime suspects' together and kill them in the incident they supposedly helped carry out?
Next minute you'll be telling me they were tied together over a pool full of mutated sea-bass with laser beams attached to their heads.


reply posted on 6-10-2005 @ 03:56 PM by Nygdan
Interestingly, the wikipdia has conflicting counts:
Flight 77 is hijacked by 5 hijackers, there are 58 passengers, including them, and 6 crew members, 64 people in the plane total,
here
58 passengers (including hijackers), 4 attendants, 2 pilots, 64 people on the plane, the official amount, on this page
50 passengers and 6 crew here. This might perhaps be taken from the CNN AA List? The same three people are missing.

Anyway
The AFIP list, the pentagon autopsy list, has 58 names, thats everyone except Dana Falkenberg and the 5 hijackers.

The real issue seems to be that the American Airlines list has 56 names, with 50 passengers and 6 crew (but even that page notes that there were 64 people total on the plane)

These are the three people on theofficial list, but not the AA list at CNN here (also note the url, its a 'victims' page so its simply not going to have the known hijackers):

Zandra Cooper-Plogger, Robert R. Ploger III and Sandra Teague

Robert Plogger is the guy that worked for Lockheed, Zandra is his newlywed wife. They were going on their honeymoon. They weren't 'coaxed' onto the plane by the government.
Sandra Teague has nothing to do with the aircraft or computer industry.


Perhaps I am missing something, why did 'they' remove those three names from the AA CNN list, for what prupose? How does does the conspiracy explain it? Why is it not a mistake on the part of AA? And why does the cnn page note that there were 64 people on board?

No Arabs wound up on the morgue slab

They could not identify their bodies then, why is it relevevant?

dna analysis can identify race

They actually can't ID race via DNA. No 'race' has a 'signal' that identifies it and it exclusively.

have you never seen those movies where they kill the mad scientist to ensure no future leakage of the truth?

And they also put them onto this plane, which didn't crash into the pentagon, but was really hit by a guided missile??? How does that get rid of them? Seems to tye them to the attack no? Are you saying that the plane hit the pentagon, but it was simply remote controlled, rather than hijacked?

If so, where did the 5 extra bodies come from?
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