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Trump admin evaluates sending exiled cleric to Turkey to appease them on the murder of journalist.

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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 05:08 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero




Do you see citizen and green card holder one and the same in a situation like this?
They are not the same in any situation. Except for having equal protection under the law, of course.


Then it gets rather weird when he is a citizen of the country that killed him, and most likely not an illegal act there..lol
What?
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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 05:15 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
What?


If the Prince ordered the killing, had a death sentence on his head... would that be a illegal act in his home country?



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 05:20 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero


If the Prince ordered the killing, had a death sentence on his head... would that be a illegal act in his home country?
No court system in Saudi Arabia? The prince has absolute authority? Really?

In any case, the murder occurred in Turkey. So no, not legal.


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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 05:26 PM
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originally posted by: Spiramirabilis

Simple - he lied


In a questioning situation where nothing is off limits dealing with anything in your whole life may be asked? As Mueller has said, once they start an investigation everything is game. Thank God the vast majority of people live perfect lives.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 05:32 PM
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a reply to: Phage

It occurred in the consulate which is Saudi soil. Is that actually in Turkey?



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 05:33 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

I have no sympathy for Trump in this particular situation - just as I had zero sympathy for Clinton in his

It's not about living a perfect life. Only a true cynic believes it's OK if the president does it

Trump either colluded with Russia to commit a crime or he didn't. If he had no knowledge but worked to obstruct justice after he found out - same difference

He is the president of this country and he isn't above the law

There is no such thing as a perjury trap. Lie - don't lie: this is his choice to make



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 05:36 PM
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It occurred in the consulate which is Saudi soil. Is that actually in Turkey?

Yes.
pathtoforeignservice.com...

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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 05:39 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Embassies have a moral obligation to follow host country laws, do they have a legal obligation to do so?



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 05:47 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

They are not immune to the laws of the host country.
Refer to Article 41
legal.un.org...



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 05:56 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Serious question I can't get a clear answer on. Maybe you know. You know things.

If the murder happened in an area that is designated as Saudi territory within another sovereign nation (Turkey) that gave that exception within their borders,

did the murder happen within the jurisdiction of the foreign government, SA in this case? Or Turkey that governs the surrounding nation that the diplomatic facility (area), is within?

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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 05:58 PM
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Or Turkey that governs the surrounding nation that the diplomatic facility is within?
Yes.
The embassy mission provides some "protections" but the laws of the host country still apply.

The killers may be able (not sure if they actually qualify as diplomats) to avoid prosecution by Turkey for the crime, but it is still a crime.

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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 06:00 PM
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a reply to: Phage

They are immune from prosecution so not much difference.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 06:01 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Thank you.

It is a crime no matter what. I was just curious who gets to frame it according to their own legal system and have it still be recognized as a fair play by the international community.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 06:03 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

The prince allegedly ordered a crime to be committed.

Is he immune from prosecution by his court system?



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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 06:31 PM
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Is it a crime in SA? Is he immune? I don't know.

To be clear morally I'm disgusted.
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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 06:32 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Murder is a crime under Sharia law, yes.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 06:42 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Are royals above the law? And it's not murder if he's an enemy of Islam which could be interpreted as enemy of the state.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 06:44 PM
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Are royals above the law?
I don't know. But the king can just pardon him.




And it's not murder if he's an enemy of Islam which could be interpreted as enemy of the state.


Saudi Arabia to seek death penalty in Khashoggi killing

source

Could be for show though.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 06:57 PM
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Political capital is worth more than those lives.

In my world these people deserve punishment for Justice's sake. My feeling is that the royals will do as they like and are above their own laws and these people are being punished because doing so benefits the royals.

I have little doubt if it was in their interest to do so they would spin this to be a good thing and not breaking their laws.
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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 06:58 PM
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I would hope that the US administration would take actions to make clear that such activities are unacceptable.







 
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