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Government is not the problem

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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 09:35 AM
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Contrary to your math illiterate delusions, it doesn't matter how much you pay in taxes. What DOES matter is the purchasing power of your take home pay. Private corporations are the problem with wage suppression, inflation, and exorbitant CEO pay:

Purchasing Power of the Consumer Dollar

The problems with this country are not rocket science. Lobbyists force the politicians to pass laws creating cartels and monopolies in exchange for campaign financing. You know we have cartels, monopolies, and no free-markets because there is no mechanism in the economy to wring out the inefficiencies of CEO pay.

The politics of this country are fixed. People who own the TV mass media are predominately Republican. So TV owning or cable owning CEOs can make donations for TV advertising from company coffers which comes right back to them. So for the corporate right wing parties TV advertising is free. No liberal or labor supporting party will ever have enough money to compete with FREE.

And after the Citizens United ruling, the Federal Reserve (a private corporation with private interests) can print any amount of money to ensure only political candidates supporting the Federal Reserve will ever get a elected. With a fiat money system the American people will ALWAYS be in debt and there will never be enough money to take care of everyone's needs by design.

Given our technology and productivity is is mind boggling insane we do not have enough money to get ALL our needs met 3 times over!!!!

The video explains why fiat money is a curse:



It is complete naivete to ever think this country would ever give up economic slavery:



It's okay. At some point marijuana will be legal and we can all listen to 60's psychedelic music and contemplate God. Drugs may be the only answer.




posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

There you answered your own question,the government is the corporation,they own everything and we just rent from them,the true hard facts are there,you can deny,but what good does that do



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 09:47 AM
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originally posted by: Oldtimer2
a reply to: dfnj2015

There you answered your own question,the government is the corporation,they own everything and we just rent from them,the true hard facts are there,you can deny,but what good does that do


I totally agree with you. Corporations ARE the government. There's nothing we can do.

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 09:57 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Nope... Those in charge aren't responsible at all for the decisions that affect us all that have led here.

Come on.

edit on 17-11-2018 by hombero because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 10:02 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

On the contrary, we can not account for trillions of dollars in the past 20 years, like way more trillion than we so call owe or our partners owe who cares.? We spend so much on entertaintment, since obama, we spend in all about 2 trillion a year on straight entertainment, that does not include all other payouts & investments ha. Where does that money go?, you think all these people ain't traveling the world & a lot of that money goes to foreign currencies for strict entertainmemt purposes so that mean WE DO NOT GET IT BACK WITHOUT FUTHER BUSINESS APPLICATIONS.

The drug people in the U.S. On average, there has to be 10 billion dollars a year stolen in the u.s alone from rich, poor or regs. This money get distributed to drugs mostly or blackmarkwt object & items. This money is made to produce products to entice & convince whoever or normal citizens to spend there money on drugs or a hacking tool or before it comes out dvd etc. for examples.

There are way more reason we will not get our money back until we build a bigger, better & greater empire. We can not account for our money, let us just be happy we are still building more & more now & will make our money later after war with a woman president after trump wins again.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

So just for #s and giggles.
What country has the best system?

For an apples to apples comparison.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 10:08 AM
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Government is very much the problem. Corrupt politicians and government policy create the environment that allows for cronyism and all the other issues you complain about.

The only way to reign it in is to ensure government does not have a lot of power over the populace. This is why you need to minimize government involvement as much as possible and why our founders had so many checks and balances put in place.
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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 10:12 AM
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The politics of this country are fixed. People who own the TV mass media are predominately Republican.


Right...So all these republicans just run their media companies as leftist propaganda outlets because....?



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 10:15 AM
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Back in the seventies I was working at a flooring mill making two dollars and thirty cents an hour. I was rich, that was lots more than the buck sixty five minimum wage. I had good insurance and holliday pay plus paid hollidays and a company picnic to go to. We also got a big turkey for thanksgiving and a big ham for Christmas. Life was sweet.

You could buy a house with that wage back then, you could only afford to rent an efficiency apartment on the buck sixty five. Gas was less than forty cents a gallon more often than not, but it did creep up to fifty cents a gallon on occasion. Rent was around ninety five bucks a month for an efficiency apartment, that included everything. A good burger ran a buck at a restaurant, tack on another seventy cents for a big order of fries. If you wanted health insurance for one person, it was about twenty two bucks a month, around forty for a family.

We have lost out since the seventies, society is to blame for this. They ignored important safeguards to keep this from happening, the liberals wanted to change our system conservatives worked hard to create over the thirty years leading to the seventies. The chart does not actually portray that along with the money you used to received, there was free healthcare and some benefits which were not considered income. Our roads were in much better shape, lots of factory workers paying in taxes those days helped to keep things growing. Exporting these jobs kind of destroyed our infrastructure. Society was actually more towards some community and national structuring, it incorporated some communistic and socialistic tendencies right into our society, good jobs supplied health benefits and the government was more into helping the needy than forcing dependency on the people. Our government rotated emergency foods like cheese butter and other foods and gave the poor the oportunity to get these government surpluses free. We actually had big storage facilities back then to keep people fed in a natural disaster.

Oh, sorry for the rambling. I just want to say we are far worse off now than in the sixties and seventies. The eighties weren't to bad either, but in the nineties it really got worse. I do not know how it was in the fifties and earlier, and in the early sixties I was still young so I can't fathom how it was back then...Candy bars were big and they cost three cents, a bottle of coke was a nickle, the sixteen ouncers were seven cents.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 10:39 AM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: dfnj2015




The politics of this country are fixed. People who own the TV mass media are predominately Republican.


Right...So all these republicans just run their media companies as leftist propaganda outlets because....?


Because in the poster's fantasy Republicans are still the evil overlords, even though Democrats own the media.

Government, btw, IS the whole problem.

It isn't corporations that own the Federal Reserve, after all. It is a construct of Congress and can be gotten rid of.

Want to increase your purchasing power?

Get off of a fiat monetary system, with its inherent inflation.

Getting rid of the massive overhead that is our government would be a great step too.

We don't need millions of un-elected bureaucrats grinding out endless regulations that keep adding more expense to making a product.

So no... end of the day the bigger your government is the smaller your personal freedoms are.




posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 10:49 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
Government is not the problem


This caught my attention.


Contrary to your math illiterate delusions,


This made me roll my eyes. Insults are great lead statements.


it doesn't matter how much you pay in taxes.


This made me laugh.


What DOES matter is the purchasing power of your take home pay.


And this is where I stopped, because you contradicted yourself. Take home pay is affected by how much you pay in taxes.

So... between your circular illogic and arrogant insult, the rest is not worth reading.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 11:13 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Dude, please... have a clue. At least have a clue to a clue.


Contrary to your math illiterate delusions, it doesn't matter how much you pay in taxes. What DOES matter is the purchasing power of your take home pay.

Taxes do not come out of the system. They are spent (wastefully) by the government (along with whatever else they can borrow against the future). That results in high wages, which contribute to inflation. Government employees have some of the highest wages in whatever industry they are a part of.


...no free-markets because there is no mechanism in the economy to wring out the inefficiencies of CEO pay.

So the only way to establish free markets is to constrain pay for CEOs? Riiiiight... regulation is freedom. Got it (NOT!)


People who own the TV mass media are predominately Republican.

Hoss, the definition of "predominately" is "most of," not "very few of."


So TV owning or cable owning CEOs can make donations for TV advertising from company coffers which comes right back to them. So for the corporate right wing parties TV advertising is free.

So, let me get this right... CEO A owns a cable network. CEO B owns a golf cart factory. CEO B pays CEO A money to advertise golf carts. But because CEO A and CEO B are part of the same political party, that money magically flows back to CEO B?

So if what you say is true, why doesn't everyone just become Republicans and get everything for free? I'd love a free golf cart. Thanks for showing me how I can get one (NOT!)

Son, you really need to wake up. Your unicorns are eating the daisies over in fairy land, and they're mad enough about it they're calling the elves for help corralling them.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 11:13 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Neither corporations nor government are ever the problem. The real problem is always the populace. Each individual's outlook plays a role in shaping the economy, social environment, and government.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 11:36 AM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Yeah right how much does the populace influence corporate decision making, other than what the corporations can sell them?



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Nobody on ATS cares, I don’t know why you bother. They are much more interested in whether a school bans an expensive jacket, or some other non issue.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 11:45 AM
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a reply to: surfer_soul

The populace decides how to spend their money. If we're tired of Big Pharma, the insurance companies, and high cost of health care, we can simply choose to live healthier lives, and seek alternative treatment rather than running to the doctor for every ankle sprain and cold.

Most corporations are private entities. They rely on the money of the populace.

The same goes for the government. If the populace wanted a more honest government, maybe we would seek out third party candidates. The government and corporations are only taking advantage of what we think we need. If the populace were to one day become overall self sufficient, things would change.

Change yourself, and be an example for others around you.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: dfnj2015

Nobody on ATS cares, I don’t know why you bother. They are much more interested in whether a school bans an expensive jacket, or some other non issue.


The expensive jacket ban is part of the problem. Parents should not let that happen. If they're supportive of the ban, or even complacent, then it shows that the majority have the wrong attitude.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 11:56 AM
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a reply to: surfer_soul

There would be a reason for that...

A jacket ban is a symptom of a problem. That of govt. whether national or local, or a mixture of the two, interfering in matters that should not concern them...or ignoring a bigger problem of bullying and discipline.

However, when govt. begins to be the problem, especially one that is elected, like ours and many others globally...some of that blame may safely be transferred to the voters who enable them by not holding them accountable.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 11:57 AM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

That’s not so easy when things are mandated by law though is it?
Wasn’t that religious group in Wacko trying to do what you describe? How did it go for them?

I have heard of people being prosecuted for trying to grow veg in there own gardens in some states. Corporations sent jobs abroad to places like China because it costs less. They don’t care about people’s livelihoods.

How long has cannabis been illegal all because of ignorant government and corporate interests?



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: surfer_soul

Life isn't easy. Everything comes at a cost. If we attack the corporations, we destroy the economy we surrendered control to. If we attack government, we descend into lawlessness, as we don't have the integrity to restrain ourselves.

The populace needs to change its collective attitude, and that change must start with the individual...so throw easy out the window, cuz there are no one-shot fixes.







 
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