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Boil, Frogs. BOIL!!

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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 01:58 AM
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Ever increasing taxation , the Patriot Act, Ever increasing bans: 1, 2, 3. Constitutional mangling: 1, the loss of privacy, more taxes 1, 2, more invasiveness, 1. False flags, dead presidents, ever-going wars, direct energy weapons, I could go on and on with this.

How far do they have to go before we stop with the left/right paradigm? How far before people stop thinking a president or presidential candidate has any good intentions for this country? Learn about cognitive dissonance. Learn about the Hegelian Dialectic. How can people believe that (roughly) half the nation are bad! Bad! BAD! but it's so wildly speculative to think that there might just be a much smaller, very wealthy group/s out of 7.5 billion that really IS/are the problem??

Please watch this wonderful video by Black Pilled(Devon Stack) titled Confessions of a KGB Agent. Heck, watch all his videos. If we don't start really waking up on a mass scale soon, we're going to lose every shred of the liberty that what used to be the U.S. stood for.
The 13 minute video excellently narrows down a longer speech by the agent detailing all the very familiar ways we're being manipulated into full destruction/reconstruction.
edit on 17-11-2018 by gottaknow because: Hit "Post" like ridonkulously early on accident.

edit on 17-11-2018 by gottaknow because: changed "president-elect" to "presidential candidate"




posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 03:09 AM
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Good luck, the frogs here on ATS thrive in the boiling water, you will have done wonders if even if one of them decides to leave the pot and sees it for what it is.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 04:21 AM
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a reply to: gottaknow

Clearly this is liberal propaganda, them democrats will do anything to make you believe it's all bad, the economy is great and we are winning... MAGA...


Sorry just had to emulate some of the anticipated responses...

It seems people love to bicker and that old saying reigns true, it's far easier to fool a person than it is to convince them they have been fooled.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 05:46 AM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Leave it to the leftists to inject partisanship into a non partisan topic. Way to pull yourself out of the pot.
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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 05:47 AM
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a reply to: watchitburn

Sorry couldn't help myself... MAGA!



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 06:23 AM
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a reply to: gottaknow

Here's the thing though: people cannot be manipulated without their consent and cooperation. Those doing the "manipulating" are basically just telling folks what they want to hear -- both left and right. It works because ... Well... Ego. People like feeling better than others.

Pointing out the problem is easy. Finding solutions isn't so easy. How do we get people to get over themselves and give others the proper courtesy and respect necessary for a free and prospering nation? Because if/when that happens, the manipulators will have no one to manipulate.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 06:50 AM
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So basically you want to stop all free thought, free will, and technologies advancement? Personally, I think ideologies like those laid out in the OP are the most dangerous, advocating that there is something wrong with being part of something that is greater than ones self. Following other people’s theories is no more than a 3rd position...right, left, Hegelian, which are you. Still nothing but labels and identity politics.

Eliminate all taxes...people die.
Eliminate all laws allowing for prevention of terrorist acts to allow for 100% privacy of all...people die.

Perhaps we should just get back to the US Constitution and the the Bill of Rights? Taxation with proper representation, warrants with applicable evidence, no legislating from judicial benches, etc...



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 08:18 AM
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Dambit! I thought this was going to be a good frog-leg recipe thread!



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 09:29 AM
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a reply to: gottaknow

Government is not the problem. Private corporations are the problem with wage suppression, inflation, and exorbitant CEO pay:

Purchasing Power of the Consumer Dollar

Contrary to your math illiterate delusions, it doesn't matter how much you pay in taxes. What DOES matter is the purchasing power of your take home pay.

The problems with this country are not rocket science. Lobbyists force the politicians to pass laws creating cartels and monopolies in exchange for campaign financing. You know we have cartels, monopolies, and no free-markets because there is no mechanism in the economy to wring out the inefficiencies of CEO pay.

The politicis of this country are fixed. People who own the mass TV video are predominately Republican. So TV owning or cable owning CEOs can make donations for TV advertising from company coffers which comes right back to them. So for the corporate right wing parties TV advertising is free. No liberal will ever have enough money to compete with FREE.

And after the Citizens United ruling, the Federal Reserve (a private corporation with private interests) can print any amount of money to ensure only political candidates supporting the Federal Reserve will ever get a elected. With a fiat money system the American people will ALWAYS be in debt and there will never be enough money to take care of everyone's needs by design. The video explains why:



It is complete naivete to ever think this country would ever give up economic slavery:



It's okay. At some point marijuana will be legal and we can all listen to 60's psychedelic music and contemplate God.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 09:42 AM
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a reply to: gottaknow

Star & Flag, OP.

I agree with you. What we are seeing now is something that has been in the making for a very long time, imo.

I am hopeful that the current POTUS administration can reign in at least some of the corruption and work towards pulling us from the brink. I know that the statement falls right in line with what you are admonishing in the op, but honestly, the way that EVERYONE is attacking and going after Trump makes me really wonder if he is, indeed, a threat to ALL sides in this Runaway American Government / NWO endgame. I don't believe and trust everything, mind you, and I always question motives.

I follow the Q-movement thread. I find there is much information that can be gained from it. I also find some of it rather frivolous and don't believe everything is a conspiracy. Sometimes a broken toe is just a broken toe, and sometimes two scoops of ice cream is just better than one.


I also find it rather disheartening that so many can find themselves now defending the same things that we all have fought & researched hard to bring into awareness. Like some of the language that insinuates 'The new world order' is a wonderful thing. It isn't, imo. And how some can explain away the potential calls for Marshal Law as a good thing that is needed to finally reign in the 'deep state'.

For all that your OP points out, much of which points to what is clearly happening 'on the left'. I cannot dismiss the idea that this also happening 'on the right' specifically through the Q-movement. In my opinion, BOTH sides are being manipulated in ways that is sure to end just as your video post suggested. In civil war or invasion.

So what do we do to stop it? How do we stop it? We can go to the voting booth and 'have our say' (cough-cough) but it never changes anything. What suggestion do you have in stopping this snowball headed for hell?




posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: Lab4Us

WOW. I didn't get ANY of that from the OP.

Care to point out what in the op prompted your response and elaborate on your thought process?



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 10:41 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015
You are wrong here. Government is the problem. I don't have the desire or incentive to discuss this in detail but will point out flaws in your assumption via your own statement.




Lobbyists force the politicians to pass laws creating cartels and monopolies in exchange for campaign financing.

Lobbyists do not force politicians. Politicians allow themselves to be manipulated by lobbyists. They refuse to pass laws limiting lobbyist activities and bribery.




we have cartels, monopolies, and no free-markets because there is no mechanism in the economy to wring out the inefficiencies

Yes there are mechanisms. One is the Logan Anti Trust Act. But government refuses to enforce law to restrict these mega corporations. The last time I remember it being used was against ATT many, many years ago. But the GOVERNMENT bailed out the banks in the 2008 crisis.
The GOVERNMENT PASSED legislation ratifying the 16th and 17 amendments in 1913 that created the Federal Reserve and replaced our taxing system to allow the GOVERNMENT hands into every citizens pocketbook. Government did this.



Citizens United ruling

Contrary to what you believe, The Supreme Court IS a branch of government. The GOVERNMENT allowed this abomination to become the law of the land.

On and on. Yes government is the problem. Government rules every aspect of this nation and GOVERNMENT is allowing and even supporting the corporations activities. GOVERNMENT IS the problem.

Edit: Speaking of the Logan Act. It was obvious mega banks should have been broke up after 2008 but it didn't happen. Amazon, Google and other companies have become mega monopolies that should be examined under the Logan Act but government allows them to continue without oversight.
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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

We live in a plutocracy. The government and major corporations are basically one entities. Singling out one side is a partisan fallacy many people fall for.

Liberals are anti-corporation.
Conservatives are anti-government.

A smart person is skeptical of both.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 04:50 PM
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originally posted by: JAY1980
a reply to: dfnj2015

We live in a plutocracy. The government and major corporations are basically one entities. Singling out one side is a partisan fallacy many people fall for.

Liberals are anti-corporation.
Conservatives are anti-government.

A smart person is skeptical of both.

exactly!



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 06:28 PM
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originally posted by: Jusvistn
a reply to: Lab4Us

WOW. I didn't get ANY of that from the OP.

Care to point out what in the op prompted your response and elaborate on your thought process?


Easy. I am not now, nor will I ever be, an anarchist. Taxes are necessary to provide services. Legislation such as the Patriot act is necessary for National Security. Government is necessary for a country to remain sovereign. Notice there was no bitching in the OP about taxation without representation, just generic bitching about taxes. Oh, and sorry if I don’t have any desire to listen to a KGB agent bitch about the Patriot Act.

My biggest complaint about OPs like this? Poster says what is wrong with country and provides zero solutions that will still allow for services, security, and prosperity. My guess as to why? They don’t care about any of it, just want to stir the pot (which probably brought on the clever boiling frog analogy).



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 06:33 PM
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a reply to: watchitburn

This is the mud pit #1 and #2 he is 100% correct



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 06:35 PM
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a reply to: Lab4Us

Thanks for the clarification.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 07:15 PM
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a reply to: gottaknow

My only question would be: oil or water?



but it's so wildly speculative to think that there might just be a much smaller, very wealthy group/s out of 7.5 billion that really IS/are the problem??


Leftwingers call this the White Supremacy or simply an oligarchy, rightwingers only see a Soros conspiracy of globalists at work. Essentially, we're on the same boat already if it wasn't for our eugenics groupies with superiority issues. Kinda funny, innit?

The numbers seem to favor the left though, unsurprisingly. All we need to do is act accordingly and let the demographics sort out the rest.



posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 01:38 AM
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@Lab4Us: Sorry, I have to tell you that you're really far off here. My post is to bring awareness regarding all the ever-encroaching factors against the people of this country that are piling up more and more and yet, people just continue to bicker about president X (doesn't matter) and follow the right-left paradigm exactly how those who are really in control want you to do. I don't think the video says one thing about the Patriot Act actually, I used that and the taxation to illustrate my point; but you don't want to watch it anyway so why bother?
Root for your team as usual and watch the world die around you I guess. Perfectly reasonable option given how bad the situation is.

One solution, btw, as my post suggests, is for people to open their eyes and start recognizing that there are not 2 parties but rather a smaller elite with only their own interests for the future. Recognize that and start learning about what's really going on IS the first solution because if people just keep this up, we're beyond doomed.

Should we get to that seemingly easy but apparently insurmountable task, a possible future step is for people to walk away from the debt-based fiat dollar that keeps us the slaves that we are. If only 30% of the population did this and instead focused on a free-market economy, we could pressure them to the point of breaking. Another solution is taking the media back. Another is creating better education systems for our children.

@Boadicea:

Pointing out the problem is easy. Finding solutions isn't so easy. How do we get people to get over themselves and give others the proper courtesy and respect necessary for a free and prospering nation? Because if/when that happens, the manipulators will have no one to manipulate.


I partially agree except apparently, pointing out the problem is gigantically, horrifically impossible to get enough people to understand. In the "conspiracy" circles, even in our little ATS bubble here, people aren't getting the big picture at the rate needed to proceed to the next step of finding solutions. They argue about the news the mainstream media puts out. They stick to the Rep vs. Dems varsity game. In reality, surprisingly few people spend that much time on the internet.

A sobering look at quantcast.com will point out that even the busiest sites get less than 100 million visitors in a month(not sure they included the really big ones). I actually suspect some of the big players like Amazon fudge their numbers to recruit more to join the herd.

Good 'ol ATS here is ranked on that as #1700; WAY below just about any popular site or "hidden profiles"(read-porn) you can think of with around 218-19k visitors a month. That's out of 330 million in the U.S.

So, not nearly as many people are glued to the internet as we think (a good post on it's own, really) and those that do visit, are generally on the popular sites like FB/Twitter/Instagram/YT looking at mundane, day-to-day things. There's still a great majority of people that get their "news" and information from the television.
The push to move to the internet is still strong and young compared to how it SEEMS things are. Picking up speed all the time though. But consider all the recent wiping we've seen on YT and other popular sites. What we think is noticed(the big sites are worldwide after all and take in a much larger population), totally isn't in the big picture because barely anyone really sees these things and will soon be rendered invisible over time.

Awareness is top priority. We're not prepared to move to solutions yet.

@dfnj2015: I have to side with what CharlesT responded with to your post as well...to a point because while yes, government is the problem, it's the elite who actually control the government that are the problem.

The U.S. IS a corporation and one that is fully controlled. There are multiple videos about this but there's nothing like ReallyGraceful telling the tale.
11 minutes. DO watch more of her videos as well. She's a delight to listen to, is accurate and offers an objective perspective.

@Jusvistn: Thanks for your kind comments and getting what I'm conveying. I'm well aware of the Q phenomenon and frankly, hold it in wary regard. It's an eye-opener, so that's great, but will close all those eyes should it be proven false. Black Pilled has another good video on that as well. Your guarded trust is an asset. Especially when we've learned and continue to learn just how much we've been lied to.

Again, I have to say we're not ready for solutions until we get the people to stop playing the game as much. Voting is never going to work. Even the proposals we get to vote on are double-sided with plenty of negatives to every positive feature. For example, the recent marijuana vote in my area allows people to grow legally from a State(only) perspective. Yay. But then there are 10 other factors that give the government MORE power and affect the decision negatively after passing. (it was my perspective that if this passing frees ANYone held in the system for weed "transgressions" then it's worth passing) But it's all like that. Every single vote is a shell game.

The solutions lie in the slave population walking away from the debt-based currency we're held by. Not an easy task but if done, could rock the world. To those that find that preposterous, I have to say wait until you see what's in store if we don't.

But awareness and rejection of the paradigm is foremost. Can we discuss solutions? Absolutely!!

@PublicOpinion: You're close with your definitions here as it's both those things but not defined as such by the right and left. It's an oligarchy with globalists at work using Soros as their tool.



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