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High school bans expensive jacket so poor kids don't feel bad

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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 12:46 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: JinMI




Also, although it sounds fairly authoritarian to tell kids what they can and can't wear, I believe the schools are able to uphold a dress code.


Ok these coats are really expensive, but as long as they are not offensive, or smelly, or something like that why should they be banned for the simple reason that some kids families can't afford them? What does that teach kids. I think this could lead to some really bad things later on. If someone has something you don't have it's not fair so you should be able to take theirs away.



I like your post.This kind of thing promotes a victim mentality. So these "poor" kids can't get a job just likes lots of us on this forum did if we wanted pricier things?That was actually character building. It was empowering to learn that I could get what I want if I am willing to work for it. Why not teach kids ways that they can earn extra money and how to set goals to do that? . And they are also making it a given that everyone wants those pricey jackets.. who says everyone that doesn't have one is seeing green?
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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 01:16 PM
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originally posted by: Unruhestifter

originally posted by: tjack
Good ol' near sighted social justice strikes again!

Gotta protect the children from reality for as long as possible so when they finally have to face it, what?

They're going to have some serious class shock when they go to university and see all the Chinese and Arab foreign students driving Maseratis.




originally posted by: trollz

"These coats cause a lot of inequality between our pupils,"

There you have it. That's what it's all about. Another "education" institution trying to indoctrinate children into the idea that everybody is equal no matter what, and if they're not, they should be forced to be.


Its not about SJW or ignoring reality.

I am a teacher. And poor kids KNOW they are poor and reminded every god dammed second of the day they are poor.
Most of them go home knowing their drunk deadbeat parents have little food on the table or could be evicted at a moments notice and those are the lucky ones. They know full damned well life is unfair and sucks and sure as hell don't need a "reality" check.

Is is the children fault they are in that situation? No! I am all for personal responsibility, but not for children that did not choose their situation.

School for some is the one place they can get away from the useless waste of oxygen they call parents.
School is also the place and ONLY chance they have of bettering themselves and not becoming the dregs of society their oxygen thief parents are
What they don't need in that 7 hours is more fortunate kids rubbing their faces in the dire situation they are in. Trust me they know there situation, they know life is unfair and don't need educating about that. What they DO NEED is a safe and secure environment with few distractions that's allows them to escape the poverty trap.


I'm am no wishy washy PC, social justice progressive. I don't do the gender crap, I don't call racism on stupid things, I don't force or even discuss my own politics and certainly don't penalize kids for having right wing views and I sure as hell don't pander to snowflakes. But I will do my uttermost to try and make a equal playing field for my students within school so when they leave they can honestly say they had as many chances education wise as the richer kids.

It sounds like you have more important s# to worry about regarding those students than CLOTHING others wear. Maybe you should start pointing the families in the general directions of helpful services instead of getting your knickers in a wad over coats making thing unequal, hmm?

What are people going to complain about next, food eaten? OMG, Suzie had to eat a Ramen last night for dinner, Billy CANNOT eat out at an upscale place with his parents or have anything remotely gourmet in his kitchen cupboard, ever. That'll just make Suzie feel bad that she's too poor to eat a porterhouse cut.
Give me a break.
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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 01:24 PM
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a reply to: Unruhestifter

So what?

If the school doesn't want them wearing their stuff to school, then the school goes uniform or it does something like cite security concerns. It doesn't tell people that the poor people of the world cannot cope with the knowledge they can't have something because they are poor. As you say, they are "slapped in the face with that fact" every day. Attempting to provide them a "safe space" in school won't change the fact they know darn good and well what their situation is vis a vis other kids.

This is just another version of "no one really needs ..." that coat so we won't let them have it here.

And before you accuse me of being unsympathetic, I grew up poor and never had a name brand anything in my life. I still take a dim view of the idea of name brands simply for the sake of name brands. I look for the stuff that works best for what I need. I balance cost, wear, my situation, and host of other factors into my choice.

I know I made a big deal about jeans because they are the bane of my parental clothing existence. However, when it comes to buying shirts ... he gets choices off the $5 table wherever that happens to be. He can wear just about any shirt without looking ridiculous or being in danger of his clothes falling off. So we don't care.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 01:38 PM
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My school used dress code ( UK ) so everyone dressed the same. It never bothered me because it looked smart anyway.
Clothes are intended to cover you and keep in warmth.
I've seen shirts that cost £100+ and I don't get it. If you wanna pay for that go ahead, but at the end of the day £100 is enough to feed a family for a month.

Students should be taught that wealth doesn't always matter. You can be rich one day and lose it all or be poor most of your life then extremely wealthy in the future.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 02:05 PM
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It's # like this that creates incel's. These boys now have the impression the system will protect them and provide for their needs. That sometimes includes relationships and women.

The other boys now have the impression that the system will not reward their hard work and economic status but rather punish it.

The sooner we realize that this form of liberalism is dangerous the better. Manipulating the fabric of society to force equality is just asking for trouble. We witness the blowback from this with almost every school/mass shooting.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 02:08 PM
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A school close to me (in the UK) has just suspended a 15 year old girl for having gold stud earnings under her hair.


The 15-year-old had only got her ears pierced two days before and went into school with a pair of gold studs which had small blue diamonds in them. However, staff at the school said she would have to remove the earrings or be forced to work “in consequences” – a form of isolation where pupils are segregated from their classmates. Disgusted by the decision, Mrs Marsham took Ellie-Rose out of school as she did not think she deserved to be punished because of her earrings.


Two kids were also suspended at the same school for haircuts that didn't meet the school's uniform requirements. There is a photo of them on the link. I think both of them have smart tidy haircuts.

There is definitely contradiction occurring here. Parents are fined for taking their kids out of school for term-time vacations and lectured on the importance of not depriving children of valuable education and yet a minor transgression of the strict school uniform policy can result in weeks in isolation or suspension.

Bransholme teen faces six weeks off school as she's kicked out of class because of her earrings


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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: DigginFoTroof

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: JinMI

Yeah, but this isn't a dress code.

This is saying, "Oh, that one item or brand is too expensive for some families to afford, so we don't think any of the kids should have one or wear it to school if they do."

That's more a line-item veto. Either go all-in on dress code or let kids wear whatever stupid things their parents buy so long they aren't letting T&A hang out or wearing profanity or things like that.

In our case, we can buy Lee's or Old Navy and sometimes DKNY jeans. Urban Pipeline is loose but do-able. He rips the knees right out of any self-respecting Walmart, JCPenney, or Target brand we've tried that fit, so we don't bother with them. Two of those four brands can be bought for under $20 a pair.

I try to balance cost with wear with what fits. No point in buying a cheap pair that he may only wear a half dozen times before they become summer cut-offs he can only really wear outside.

But if the schools decide to issue a list of cost approved jeans brands that they feel all their children can afford and none of my go-tos are on it?


People who claim that they can't find good quality clothing for cheap prices in just about any size are either too picky or too lazy to look. We've seen the quality of clothing, especially jeans and pants, go up by sizable amounts over the last 30+ years and the price has dropped A LOT for this good quality. Now they may not be name brand, but the knees don't "tear out" on the first wear. I just got rid of a pair of 20yr old jeans that were $50 and I wore them HARD over the years.

I found some really nice Carhartt pants and jeans for $35 and those things are made really well. IDK what else you could want other than some flashy label stamped or sewn on it. If that is what you need, then IDK what to say to you - but I know kids can have unrealistic desires that they don't understand.

You completely missed the entire point though. If the "nice" quality clothing doesn't fit, there's no point in buying it. You act like people all come in the same body type/shape. Newsflash... they don't. And I'm not talking overweight vs skinny. I was a skinny kid. But finding pants that fit was a nightmare because of my body type.

I have a very, very high waist with short legs and a noticeable rear aaand I'm very short. You try finding pants that fit the waist, while at the same time still fitting the hips and butt without dragging on the ground. To this day, I just cannot find a brand that fits properly. If it fits the waist, it won't fit my hips and vice versa. I've tried so many of the different 'cuts' out there, but nothing works. Most pants that fit my hips well leave a huge gap in the back waistline and even using a belt just cinches all that extra denim into an uncomfortable mess at the small of my back and it feels awful.

I despise shopping for clothing. At this point, I just have to go for pants with elastic type waists or drawstrings and hope they work. Yaaaay.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 03:11 PM
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2018...

Participation trophies for all.
Everyone is equal.
No one loses.
Being competitive is viewed as a negative thing cause feelings.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 04:28 PM
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a reply to: Subrosabelow

Exactly. Both my son and my oldest nephew have the family build ... the same one I have.

We have/had tiny waists, little to no hips at all and beanpole long legs.

Try finding pants that fit that in today's world. It was harder for me as a girl. I was stuck wearing men's jeans and men's shirts because my limbs were just so darn long. I have mentioned before that didn't dress cool at all. I couldn't because the cool stuff looked ridiculous on me and was uncomfortable to wear.

At least my son and my oldest nephew can wear clothing cut and styled for their gender even if they sometimes have to pay more for stuff that's sized to fit them.



posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 04:58 PM
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a reply to: Subrosabelow

I still have that issue.

...and my growing days, save for outwards, are over. It's still tough, sometimes, to find pants that match my, for my size, fairly small waist and long ass legs. Matching waist with inseam sometimes takes some doing. So I buy 'em when I find 'em.

For a growing kid, it's even worse most times. Drove my mom nuts, then me, when I had my own money.



posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 03:36 AM
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a reply to: JAGStorm

A similar thing happened to my best friend in high school-he wore a wrestling shirt that said 'rules are meant to be broken' on the back and the principal literally stopped him, lambasted him for the slogan, and sent him home to change the shirt!

PC rubbish I say. My high school made uniforms compulsory, and those things ain't cheap, so I can sympathize with the poorer kids in uniform dress code schools. However these so called 'rich kids' have the right to wear whatever they damn well please, they should show up in these jackets as a sign of non conformity like my friend and I did almost 20 years ago.


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posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 03:47 AM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Unruhestifter

Agitated no, amazed at the low quality of teachers in the UK maybe, if you're the example.

You say you have nothing against rich kids, but in the same breath say:


For once its the rich kids, over something as stupid as a jack, so forgive me if I really don't give a flying #





Not wearing a expensive jacket is hardly going to kill them or be more than a in inconvenience or even that.

As you have said life is not fair. And for once the unfairness falls on the rich kids.



posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 03:51 AM
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originally posted by: Nyiah
Maybe you should start pointing the families in the general directions of helpful services




I do. Unfortunately our criminal govement has cut those services.


originally posted by: Nyiah
What are people going to complain about next, food eaten? OMG, Suzie had to eat a Ramen last night for dinner, Billy CANNOT eat out at an upscale place with his parents or have anything remotely gourmet in his kitchen cupboard, ever.


No because that just hyperbolic stupidity.

What happens outside of school is none of my business. Eat, wear or do what you like as outside of school you are free.

Inside school you are under school rules and under the guardianship of the school.



posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 03:54 AM
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originally posted by: opethPA
2018...

Participation trophies for all.
Everyone is equal.
No one loses.
Being competitive is viewed as a negative thing cause feelings.



Which are things a teacher I am against. I will fail students, let them freely debate controversial topic ect even to the extent I get into trouble with senior leadership.

However UK schools do have uniform codes.



posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 03:56 AM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Unruhestifter

Agitated no, amazed at the low quality of teachers in the UK maybe, if you're the example.

You say you have nothing against rich kids, but in the same breath say:


For once its the rich kids, over something as stupid as a jack, so forgive me if I really don't give a flying #






originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: Unruhestifter

originally posted by: Propagandalf
The easiest way to elevate yourself is to tear others down. It’s not yours or your parents fault for your situation; it’s other people. Only an idiot would put this notion in children. We’re setting entire generations up for failure.


They learn that lesson enough OUTSIDE of school.

School should be wear those poor kids can break away from their useless parents and change there life's.
School should not be just another institution where they can be further shammed and put in their low place.


Should I use improper grammar and poor spelling so you feel better about yourself?





The fact you have to make personal attacks rather than focus on the context, shows how weak your argument is.



posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 05:40 AM
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Remember the meme "White people and their *shuffles deck* (example)," example being something like reading to their kids at night? This example is based on the notion that white folks should keep in mind the disadvantaged whose kids DON'T get read to when they settle in with their kids to read them their bedtime stories.

Professor: If You Read To Your Kids, You Are Disadvantaging Others

So now, it's rich kids. Isn't the UK also where they ban having best friends?

UK Schools are banning best friends to spare kids' feelings

This is ridiculous.



posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 06:05 AM
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originally posted by: Unruhestifter






Those kids are free to enjoy the fruits of there parents labor OUTSIDE the school.
The parents do not even see there kids when at school so how can they enjoy there kids wearing the overpriced crap?
They can enjoy there spoiled little sprogs wearing designer the rags outside school.

Fact is inside the school, the school sets the rules. You suck it up or find another school.





Agreed and same with all prio posts, ex-STEM personal tutor and University Support Worker.

School is a place for learning, not a fashion show. If kids and parents are dumb enugh to want one of those coats they can wear it in their own time but not when in school - it's basic discipline and maintaining educational standards.


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posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 08:05 AM
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Inside the school, you are still under the guardianship of the parent. I don't surrender my legal rights just because I drop my kid off to learn there for a chunk of the day. I don't surrender my legal rights just because the law compels my child to be educated either.

This is why there is still come choice in the method of schooling that parents have.

You truly sound like someone who resents the fact that some people can and will buy expensive toys that you can't (or won't). You sound like someone who got butt hurt every time little Johnny showed up in the trendy new clothing item and you couldn't have it because either your parents wouldn't buy it or you wouldn't bestir yourself to figure out how to earn the money to buy it for yourself.

Now you sound like you're still bitter and you think you can crusade on behalf of these other kids to protect them from your own butt hurt and maybe get some revenge on little Johnny while you're at it.

Guess what makes it all better ... Make like Elsa and let it go. Stop worrying about what other people do with their lives and their money. Most of them are idiots for buying a $1,000 jacket rated for Arctic and Antarctic wear when they aren't going to need something that serious to keep them warm. Be content that you aren't wasting your money like that, but if that's what's important to them, let them. If they want to wear that expensive thing around, even into a school where it can be stolen, let them.

It changes nothing about anyone else's life and hurts no one to let them do that. Odds are that most of the kids doing this come from families who can barely afford these jackets, but they desperately want to look like they can. In their own way, they're as sick as the poor families. They think they need this to prove they aren't poor.

But when you start banning this or that simply because other kids can't afford it, you start to run the risk that there may be some kids who do have a need for it. A lot of the talk here has centered on parents buying more expensive clothing to fit their kids. Say the banning to avoid "poor shaming" spills over into that ... what do you tell the parent whose kid is now being teased because his pants continually fall off because they can't be kept on, they fit so bad? And before you laugh, it has happened to my son.



posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 08:09 AM
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a reply to: JAGStorm

You know, part of me understands this.

I was a poor kid in school. My mom, a single Mom, could not afford name brand clothes for me. I got picked on relentlessly for it too. I had a rather obvious fake copy of a pair of original Air Jordans, that earned me the nickname "Air Jackson"

So, I was that kid. The same kind of kid this school intends to "protect".

However, this school, it is full on school uniform required. Since they wear school uniforms, coats and jackets should be covered under that same uniform policy.

My school was not school uniform required, and I wish it was. My life would have been much easier in that particular respect.
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posted on Nov, 18 2018 @ 08:12 AM
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originally posted by: Unruhestifter
They are free to wear there £1000 outside school.

You don't need a £1000 coat in school.


I always felt like I was learning more after our au pair dressed me in a leather Versace coat and sent me off to school. It helped make me the well rounded 1%er that I am today.




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