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War waged from space? -CA wildfires, PG&E accepts blame for 2017 fires

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posted on Nov, 16 2018 @ 11:08 PM
Here's a conspiracy for you: why does wikipedia say this about Directed Energy Weapons (Lasers, microwaves and particle beams) " After decades of R&D, directed-energy weapons are still very much at the experimental stage and it remains to be seen if or when they will be deployed as practical, high-performance military weapons

There's dozens of articles stating basically the same thing "One day soon the military will have these futuristic weapons available'.

When we have long had these?:

The Tactical High-Energy Laser, or THEL, was a laser developed for military use, also known as the Nautilus laser system. The mobile version is the Mobile Tactical High-Energy Laser, or MTHEL. In 1996, the United States and Israel entered into an agreement to produce a cooperative THEL called the Demonstrator, which would utilize deuterium fluoride chemical laser technologies. In 2000 and 2001 THEL shot down 28 Katyusha artillery rockets and five artillery shells

It ran over cost at $300 million so they discontinued the project (less than the cost of a single F22 Raptor). They would only do that if they had something better to replace it with. 3.562..925...0.0..0.274.444.0j1j1......0....1..gws-wiz.KRuue3iWiBE

Active Denial System

The ADS millimeter wave energy works on a similar principle as a microwave oven. A fully operational and mounted version of the system was demonstrated on January 24, 2007,
Beam weapons? Le' impossible!

More recent tech here:

December 10, 2014: PENTAGON: The age of laser weapons has officially begun. Since September, the Navy has had a $40 million, 30-kilowatt Laser Weapons System (LaWS) aboard the USS Ponce in the Persian Gulf.

Lockheed Martin's laser weapon takes down 5 drones in live-fire demonstration

C-130-based high-energy laser weapon defeats ground target in flight test
October 1, 2009 nd-target-in-flight-test.html

While I have quite a few criticisms of this video it's worth a watch:

There is no debate whether Directed Energy Weapons are in use and they would be far more likely than any other form of weapon to be used in space.
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posted on Nov, 16 2018 @ 11:26 PM
a reply to: Asktheanimals

Why is it that conspiracy theorists depend so much upon gishgalloping?

Can you be more specific about the form of energy being directed?
We've covered microwaves and lasers. They are about the easiest to produce. But that doesn't mean they don't present problems.
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posted on Nov, 16 2018 @ 11:41 PM

originally posted by: sean
Look at this map of 703 active fires Here. You can literally take a ruler and draw a straight vertical line through dividing the West. Through North/South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas. It looks crazy.

It matches another map almost exactly. All the Western states over 50% of the land is owned by the Federal Government.

Blatant enough or should we draw everyone a map?
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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 12:10 AM
Here are some videos of power lines sparking in the wind. The first one is from Essex, England. I can only imagine what would have happened if there were dry tinder wood on the ground:

posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 01:59 AM
a reply to: Asktheanimals

A couple of pages back it was already suggested that a fiber laser from an arial platform would be a better possibility than microwaves from space but if we are going to take that step why not consider the can of gasoline and a match as the most logical way to execute this plan?

What is the motivation for using this technology?


posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 02:36 AM

originally posted by: ausername
a reply to: YesTodayTomorrow
What i seen on my trip through California over the last few days is that everything is so damned dry. That's the real problem.


But it is hard to accept our own responsibility and admit that our ongoing war against nature is a lost cause and that we had better start looking for ways to live in harmony with mother nature.

It is much easier to put all the blame on some mysterious group that is so almighty that we can only collapse, despair and ... do nothing.

That said, where Rothschilds and Rockefellers are involved a cold hard look is always justified (but not paranoia). Crimes are likely to be found. But I think their modus operandi is much more mundane than what most conspiracy theories propose. Think financial oppression combined with drugging and polluting the populace into a reduced state of consciousness.

posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 02:53 AM

originally posted by: burntheships
I am just going to drop this here, have a read but forewarned
it is a .gov dni report.

To think the U.S. has hardened Sats in the event of nuclear war,
and much more including ASAT, but to counter the U.S. has no
capability of space weapons? That is just silliness.

Will we find proof of such? Not in our lifetime, but that
certainly does not mean they are not in operation.

Russian and Chinese destructive ASAT weapons probably will reach initial operational capability in
the next few years. China’s PLA has formed military units and begun initial operational training
with counterspace capabilities that it has been developing, such as ground-launched ASAT missiles.
Russia probably has a similar class of system in development. Both countries are also advancing
directed-energy weapons technologies for the purpose of fielding ASAT weapons.

Russia and China continue to publicly and diplomatically promote international agreements on the
nonweaponization of space and “no first placement” of weapons in space

If the US is ahead and Russia and China are ready to put operational ASAT systems online it seems to me that we should already have such weapons. Also, if all countries are agreed to the non-proliferation of weapons in space the US would have to hide their launches by calling them something else - like energy harvesting satellites perhaps? Plausible deniability rears it's ugly head.

posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 06:49 AM
a reply to: Asktheanimals

You need to stop. You are not helping your cause. Let’s look at the most likely causes that do cause wildfires.

1) lightning
2) hot exhaust pipes and sparks from off road equipment
3) property owners trying to burn brush that gets out of control
4) camp fires
5) burning of trash
6) throwing out burning cigarettes
7) downed power lines from storms or vehicle accidents
8) cranes coming in contact with power lines
9) electrical transformers blowing up
10) house fires
11) fireworks
11) arson with matches

Wildfires are a matter of when, not if. There is nothing to be gained by a government using a billion dollar solution to spark events that will and do horrible happen for free. Especially in an environment that wildfires are part of the ecosystem.

If fort knocks suddenly has to be abandoned by wildfires, you might have something.

Nobody is denying energy weapons can start fires. However, you have not provided any evidence that space platforms large enough, with a power source powerful energy, with the transmitters large enough to start these fires. The is no evidence radio astronomers have picked up rouge microwave transmissions. Downing a drone a few hundred yards away is very different than a laser having the power to start a ground fire from geocentric orbit penetrating the atmosphere, humidity, cloud cover, fog, smog, smoke.

What ignited many of California's worst wildfires a mystery

It's estimated human activity—from untended campfires to sparks from vehicles—causes more than 80 percent of all wildfires in the United States, according to the National Interagency Fire Center.


The Holy Fire, southeast of Los Angeles, was quickly determined to be arson.


The Carr Fire, the deadliest so far this year with eight fatalities, started in July with a spark from a vehicle.


Lightning was the most common cause, accounting for about a quarter of those fires, followed by incidents involving power lines.


If lightning maps show no activity in a burn area, the assumption is it was started by humans, and fire investigators immediately head to the spot to cordon it off and protect evidence.

Remember, the more you post, the more your hurting your argument. You are coming off as fanatical, not having an argument based on evidence nor logic.

posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 07:02 AM
a reply to: Asktheanimals

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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 07:21 AM
Weekly Standard says no

This last photo, tweeted out from the Forest Service of Klamath National Forest, is of a California fire. But the fire burned this May and is not a part of the “Camp Fire.” The strange line on the photo seems to be nothing more than some sort of streak on the camera lens, as this video explains. (But this is unclear and the Forest Service did not care to explain what the line was. They did however note that the fire was “ contained and 100% mopped up” on the same day it started.)

Laser weapon systems are being developed by companies like Lockheed Martin primarily for missile and drone defense (and they’re pretty sweet), with plans to equip certain military planes with the system.

sorry no rogue elements in the gumming lasing California

posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 10:06 AM
a reply to: Asktheanimals
Creepy that gov Brown transferred liability to customers ... covering for the Rothschilds... thats just criminal beyond my wildest dreams. Weaponizing? In
The hands of the wrong people can be disastrous. Gov Brown demonstrates what’s wrong with politicians these days.

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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 10:16 AM
This is happen since one nine sixties

posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 11:45 AM
Someone just sent me this YouTube a little bit ago.... it was interesting timing but it mentions rectennas as shown in one of the videos you posted .

posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 11:48 AM
a reply to: ElGoobero

Mentions movie starring Gerard Butler whose was was destroyed in the Camp Fire Fire. Strange coincidence.

posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 11:51 AM
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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 01:25 PM
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Someone got a little stung in their pride didn't we?

You should of gone with the itemized response, you might of been able to contribute more than a bruised ego

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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 02:24 PM

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Asktheanimals

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I agree that many of the photos shown as evidence of DEW's are lens flares or have other explanations. Nobody can verify if space weapons exist and if they did they would violate national security statutes and be sent off to Leavenworth. All the evidence is circumstantial, pretty much the same as fire investigators must examine to determine causation.

Here's a fire captain's opinion on the fires (skip to 6:00 for good stuff):

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posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 02:28 PM
a reply to: Asktheanimals
You know i am starting to believe this theory a lot more now. Its an interesting theory the more you look into these fires.

Nobody can verify if space weapons exist and if they did they would violate national security statutes

Such weapons are always known as Black Op Projects Or BOW. Black Op Weapons even if they do exist its secret. Who knows what else what they have being working in secret all these past years.

posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 04:36 PM
a reply to: AtlasHawk

A walkthrough of a burned-out neighborhood in Santa Rosa from the 2017 fires i believe. Notice the missing glass from every car, the selective nature of whats burned and what wasn't. The car doors twisted open as if the entire frame was bent. I've seen a few burned forests, cars and houses in my life but nothing resembling this.

posted on Nov, 17 2018 @ 05:00 PM

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ConspiracyofRavens

The source of this information came from a thesis on microwaves used in radio transmissions and the issues dealing with microwave transmission in fire and combustible environents and factors,

Yes. It is about problems with radio communications during wildfires. Nothing in there about starting fires with microwaves so I'm not sure what your point is. Do you think the fires were set to interfere with radio communications? Is that what you're getting at?

Radio propagation in the presence of fire is known to be problematic to communications. In this thesis we use both experimental and theoretical approaches to examine and understand radio propagation in fire environments.


Actually the entire thesis discusses microwave radiation.

So your entire response is made irrelevant and ignorant.
You see Radiowaves include microwaves.
You would understand that if you had bothered to read the Thesis in it's entirety instead of plucking quotes out of context to support your ignorance of physics and how transmissions of ifnormation work.

Microwave transmission is the transmission of information or energy by microwave radio waves.

Next time you don't understand something I would recommend Google and actually reading the linked information.

It would go a long way to saving face when debating or disputing a matter of science. Wikipedia is the source of my quoted info in this reply.

At least use it to get a basic understanding next time.

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