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The Coincidences of Oumuamua

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posted on Nov, 14 2018 @ 02:52 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: chr0naut




Or perhaps they could just implode the Sun then all those eight billion idiots could get the glorious pointless death they so desire.

By increasing its mass?

Easy peasy.


Nah, differential density. Even easier.




posted on Nov, 14 2018 @ 02:53 AM
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Gotta overcome light pressure.
Gravity is the only way to do that.



posted on Nov, 14 2018 @ 03:33 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: chr0naut

Gotta overcome light pressure.
Gravity is the only way to do that.


Yeah...did a google search on "DIY star implosions" and you have to add some mass. I can not say how much because the instruction video was in swedish..

Peace
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posted on Nov, 14 2018 @ 03:35 AM
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It's the concept that matters.
The details will take care of themselves.



posted on Nov, 14 2018 @ 03:42 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: chr0naut

Gotta overcome light pressure.
Gravity is the only way to do that.

Yes, but sunspots are produced by the twisting of magnetic field lines. No need for mass changes there and it can lead to CME's (that's coronal MASS ejections) so mass is involved but not necessarily the only cause.

A sunspot is essentially a puncture point in the corona where field lines converge and they look dark because we can see in through the glow.

Now you also have wave dynamics going on there because especially towards the surface, the sun is quite fluid. Just as a wave at the surf can break surface tension, so waves in the surface can also detach parts of the surface. A combination of surface wave interactions, guided by magnetism, and even making use of the energy differentials within the Sun, could theoretically cause the Sun to fold in on itself, raising its density and pushing nucleosynthesis into the heavier elements.

This would change the color/temperature of the Sun and no doubt trigger an unnaturally large ejection followed by a period of oscillatory changes in energy output as a new 'normal' point of balance is attained.

But energy is mass and I'd assume that our traveling aliens would have it available in stellar mass equivalents.



posted on Nov, 14 2018 @ 03:44 AM
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This would change the color/temperature of the Sun and no doubt trigger an unnaturally large ejection followed by a period of oscillatory changes in energy output as a new 'normal' point of balance is attained.

Smally, yes.
But a loss of mass will not result in an implosion.



posted on Nov, 14 2018 @ 03:48 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
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This would change the color/temperature of the Sun and no doubt trigger an unnaturally large ejection followed by a period of oscillatory changes in energy output as a new 'normal' point of balance is attained.

Smally, yes.
But a loss of mass will not result in an implosion.


When a star nova's there is usually ejection of the surface but the core collapses into a denser state.

It isn't as simple as a 'total mass' situation. Because we are talking of vast and differentiated environments within the effect.



posted on Nov, 14 2018 @ 03:50 AM
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It isn't as simple as a 'total mass' situation. Because we are talking of vast and differentiated environments within the effect.

A nova will not occur without sufficient mass.



posted on Nov, 14 2018 @ 03:55 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
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It isn't as simple as a 'total mass' situation. Because we are talking of vast and differentiated environments within the effect.

A nova will not occur without sufficient mass.


Density.

The Plutonium trigger in most nukes nowadays doesn't change mass like with the old gun assembled ones, it is instead achieved by compression. Density is the key rather than mass and it is both more reliable and effective.



posted on Nov, 14 2018 @ 03:56 AM
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Density.

Mass.

Plutonium is fission, stars are fusion. Fusion by gravity.

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posted on Nov, 14 2018 @ 04:09 AM
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Density.

Mass.

Plutonium is fission, stars are fusion. Fusion by gravity.

OK, a star consumes most of its Hydrogen, so that expansive force dies out and gravitation takes over. The compression of the collapse causes nuclear re-ignition and burning of increasingly heavier elements along in the chain.

In a star that goes nova or higher, the total mass is reduced but it is density that kicks the next burn phase. As far as we can theorize, the process continues all the way down to neutron stars and black holes.

It is possible to create collapsed states of matter in the lab with tiny masses, but high densities. Doing so with enough star stuff can lead to exceeding a tipping point where the collapse exceeds the expulsive forces. I.e: you'd create a differential collapse which would eat the star.

edit on 14/11/2018 by chr0naut because: ... theoretically.



posted on Nov, 14 2018 @ 04:12 AM
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In other words, the only way to implode a star is by adding mass because there is no way to increase density because light pressure.



posted on Nov, 14 2018 @ 04:21 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
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In other words, the only way to implode a star is by adding mass because there is no way to increase density because light pressure.


Reducing light pressure causes stellar density to increase without any added mass.

It happens in nature. I'm just suggesting that these amazing travelers could probably give things a little push along. It wouldn't be a biggy. They can already mess heavily with spacetime, doing so with the tools at hand would be trivial.



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