Wisconsin district investigates boys’ apparent Nazi salute

a reply to: Mahogany

Like Jeff Bezos, Michael Jordan, Dwayne Johnson, Bruce Willis, Brian Cranston, Shia Labeouf, Sigorny Weaver, creepy porn lawyer, and James Carville? Oh, wait, you mean intentions matter here? I see...

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Mahogany

Like Jeff Bezos, Michael Jordan, Dwayne Johnson, Bruce Willis, Brian Cranston, Shia Labeouf, Sigorny Weaver, and James Carville? Oh, wait, you mean intentions matter here? I see...

Of course intentions matter. If all those people you listed stood next to each other and did a Seig Heil, it would mean something.

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Mahogany

Like Jeff Bezos, Michael Jordan, Dwayne Johnson, Bruce Willis, Brian Cranston, Shia Labeouf, Sigorny Weaver, and James Carville? Oh, wait, you mean intentions matter here? I see...

Of course intentions matter. If all those people you listed stood next to each other and did a Seig Heil, it would mean something.

Yeah, it would mean somebody had a bad idea for a joke, nothing more, nothing less.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Mahogany

Like Jeff Bezos, Michael Jordan, Dwayne Johnson, Bruce Willis, Brian Cranston, Shia Labeouf, Sigorny Weaver, and James Carville? Oh, wait, you mean intentions matter here? I see...

Of course intentions matter. If all those people you listed stood next to each other and did a Seig Heil, it would mean something.

Yeah, it would mean somebody had a bad idea for a joke, nothing more, nothing less.

Let's discuss that one if it happens. Here we have reality, and it's no joke.

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Mahogany

Like Jeff Bezos, Michael Jordan, Dwayne Johnson, Bruce Willis, Brian Cranston, Shia Labeouf, Sigorny Weaver, and James Carville? Oh, wait, you mean intentions matter here? I see...

Of course intentions matter. If all those people you listed stood next to each other and did a Seig Heil, it would mean something.

Yeah, it would mean somebody had a bad idea for a joke, nothing more, nothing less.

Let's discuss that one if it happens. Here we have reality, and it's no joke.

Do you think that these kids are actual Nazis?

Isis salute: good (even though isis is an actual REAL threat and a hateful, intolerant, extreme far-right anti-leftist islamic group)

Nazi salute: bad (even though nazis do not exist)

Libtarded logic there

I think this is some kids having fun, not thinking too deep about what they are doing. The local officials concerns now seem to be safty. Does this bring any nuts out of the woodwork? Whichever "side" you're on I think we can agree that there are some extreme people out there, and the chance of extreme events is real. Look back at the opinions expressed in this thread. It's not hard to imagine that there are many other opinions out there that could lead to violence.

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Mahogany

Like Jeff Bezos, Michael Jordan, Dwayne Johnson, Bruce Willis, Brian Cranston, Shia Labeouf, Sigorny Weaver, and James Carville? Oh, wait, you mean intentions matter here? I see...

Of course intentions matter. If all those people you listed stood next to each other and did a Seig Heil, it would mean something.

Yeah, it would mean somebody had a bad idea for a joke, nothing more, nothing less.

Let's discuss that one if it happens. Here we have reality, and it's no joke.

This is where you (generally using "you" as a catch-all for the more progressive mindset folk) lose me. Donald Trump made a crotch grabbing joke and "you" treated it as tantamount to admission of sexual assault. Someone tells an off color joke and they are treated as if they just put on a hood and lynched a POC. Someone makes a mocking display directed at the Nazis and they're considered to be dyed in the wool neo nazis. You're victimizing your own positions and arguments with ridiculous hyperbole. It's overdramatic nonsense.

originally posted by: Mahogany

This image comes from Wisconsin, a small town outside of Milwaukee. Hatred and nationalism is on the rise and that never ends well. Nationalism is NOT patriotism and should not be encouraged as being the same thing. But it is not just the fault of those who fall for it and cannot see any deeper than the hatred on the surface, this is becoming a global issue and it is encouraged and implemented by hands unseen. We have nationalism and fascism on the rise in South America with Bolsonaro, we have European countries falling prey to the same tactics.

It is. Stop convoluting the English language with PC newspeak.

www.merriam-webster.com...

Synonyms for nationalism
Synonyms
patriotism

www.thefreedictionary.com...

na•tion•al•ism (ˈnæʃ ə nlˌɪz əm, ˈnæʃ nəˌlɪz-) n. 1. devotion and loyalty to one's own nation; patriotism. 2. excessive patriotism; chauvinism. 3. the desire for national advancement or independence. 4. the doctrine or policy of asserting the interests of a particular nation over the interests of other nations. 5. a movement, as in the arts, based upon the folk idioms, history, aspirations, etc., of a nation.

www.dictionary.com...

See more synonyms for nationalism on Thesaurus.com noun spirit or aspirations common to the whole of a nation. devotion and loyalty to one's own country; patriotism. excessive patriotism; chauvinism.

Macron said the same thing just yesterday and he's a dirty globalist traitor. Anyone who would listen to him is probably also a dirty globalist traitor.

ATS is considering this to be a HOAX? Oh my goodness how stupid can you be? Hatred and ignorance is evolving at a furious rate!

Nazis nazis everywhere. Let's forget the swastika is a Buddhist symbol.

I'm as scared of nazis as I am of Antifa idiots. Both are like unicorns.

originally posted by: six67seven

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: Stormdancer777

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Mahogany

The dude in the front row is playing the circle game. It's right on his damn hip.

I think a mountain is being made out of a mole hill here.

Whats the circle game?

It's an excuse.

It's an opportunity....
for parents to step in.

Unless of course, we're already assuming their parents are Nazi's too...

Well yeah. They're obviously all white, all Republicans and all racists. The privilege is oozing from them. Can't you see it? I mean, it's totally obvious.

originally posted by: Mahogany

I wanted to say, this is how it begins. But this began a few years earlier, now it is manifesting itself. What comes next is scary.

This image comes from Wisconsin, a small town outside of Milwaukee. Hatred and nationalism is on the rise and that never ends well. Nationalism is NOT patriotism and should not be encouraged as being the same thing. But it is not just the fault of those who fall for it and cannot see any deeper than the hatred on the surface, this is becoming a global issue and it is encouraged and implemented by hands unseen. We have nationalism and fascism on the rise in South America with Bolsonaro, we have European countries falling prey to the same tactics.

This is a global phenomenon and should not be happening simultaneously across the globe... unless egged on by an agenda and controlled from outside. Who would benefit from an uptick of nationalism and the ensuing war and terror?

How are we playing into that agenda? How are our people being used for the same purpose?

The photo drew widespread condemnation, including from the Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum in Poland and a state senator who represents Baraboo, a town of about 12,000 residents that’s about 115 miles (185 kilometers) northwest of Milwaukee.

“This is why every single day we work hard to educate. We need to explain what is the danger of hateful ideology rising. Auschwitz with its gas chambers was at the very end of the long process of normalizing and accommodating hatred,” the Auschwitz Memorial tweeted .

washintonpost.com

"Auschwitz with its gas chambers was at the very end of the long process of normalizing and accommodating hatred."

I found that a very powerful statement and a reminder that could use another mention. Death camps did not happen overnight, things like that do not just pop up, people need to be conditioned to it for years and years. We are not naturally predisposed to accept murder and ethnic cleansing. It comes through years and years of making excuses for and accepting the behavior, such as in the photo, that eventually flows over.

I did not notice the 'ok' sign in the front row until I searched for more on this and found this Independent article that points it out.

More trash by the Washington Compost??? We know what Nationalism means...It means 'America First'...

a reply to: Mahogany

Genuine question: On a scale of 1 to 10, how bad of a threat do think these kids with this picture are to town of Baraboo, State of Wisconsin, and USA?

I appreciate your concern of where this COULD go (if we extrapolate) but I want to know as it stands now. In your opinion. Where would it stand with all the other threats we could envision?

As I see it, it looks like a valuable teaching moment for some kids doing dumb kid stuff. One learning point among a million others they need to get down. Help me understand why this moment in time is "...how it begins." and "What comes next is scary."

In the context of all that is wrong with the world at the moment, why should I focus on this picture and be afraid?

I won 't be afraid. As an adult, I would teach and move on. Coming from the same state, I would worry about these kids drinking and driving - a far more immediate and deadly threat. Cancer? National debt? Pollution? Why should I immediately condone "someone looking into this" (as some have stated) outside of parents and teachers?

Believe it or not, as a society we have done a pretty fair job of illustrating Nazi anything is the wrong road. I am sure there will be a few that don't get it but our society is currently bearing a lot bigger threats and is still afloat.

I apologize ahead of time if I am coming across as a butt head. I know I can be overly blunt. I agree with you racism is not where we want to be. I disagree with you this incident is worthy of fear.

a reply to: [post=23952655]Noinden[/post

That's a pretty racist post you have there. You must be from an Urban area and thusly think you are superior to those who put food on your table.

Think what you want.

a reply to: TDawgRex

Neighbour. I'm a foreigner when it comes to the USA. However I grew up in a semi rural area thanks. Yes I lived in a "urban" area z(for 2/3 of my time I lived in the Eastside of Milwaukee, including just off of Brady street), I also lived in Germantown, thats not Urban. My Workplaces all had plants (I work in the Pharma industry) in either German town or Sheboygan. So no, I am not "urban" whatever that means to you.

I am also good friends with someone who went to that high school, and she confirms what it was like. So no I don't think I am superior to anyone, except racists that is. Anyone who thinks race is (a) a genetic thing and (b) any is superior to another, is a knuckle dragging Luddite.

The truth is (and I am repeating myself).

(a) The German American Bund was very strong in the Wisconsin area in the 1930s. Hugely popular compared to some other areas.
(b) The Aryan Brothehood does have strongholds of excons in Wisconsin. I've an African American friend who owns a large farm near Madison, who has them as neighbours.
(c) Other kids from that school have confirmed that that was a stiff armed (formal) Nazi Salute.

Like I said I am a foreigner. I earened my Permanent residency however. Despite appearing to be "white" I still got nationalistic and racist BS from the racists who do liv ein the midwest. From "you are not from around here" as way of an introduction (no #, did my accent give that away?). To "do they speak English where you come from?" (Yep, New Zealand has it as one of its official languages), because New Zealand is near Brazil" and my all time favorite. "How can you be from New Zealand? They are all Black"... not as a joke, but in all seriousness.

So nah, not racist .I did not say ALL Wisconsinites are racist. I said that it was likely. This has been confirmed by others who went to that school. The school has a history of it.

Thus, you are proven to be faulty in your thinking.

Slan leat

a reply to: Noinden

I am from the area and yes, we do have our fair share of racists...though many don't think they are and I find that that to be disturbing. It's just the way they were raised according to them and that actually has some merit to that if they never traveled elsewhere. It's all they know and are befuddled when someone calls them out on their comments.

But I do know parents who have kids in that school. The parents who have never given me any hint they are racist. So, it could be that some of the kids are just following the "popular" kids lead. (That is also troubling).

I have traveled the world, lived in Germany for 8 years, Bosnia for one, and Iraq for three. Obviously, I was in the military and one of the reasons I joined was to experience different cultures. My Dad was also career Air Force and growing up I also traveled a lot. One of the reasons also I left Wisconsin for 30 years. Not really a whole lot going on here in rural land as a teen. Hunting, Camping, Canoeing, Hiking and what have you does get old after a while...though it is still fun.

I know all about the history of Wisconsin, to include the Aryan Brotherhood in the prison system, the Bund and all those other brain dead idiots, but there is also a rich history here just like other places.

I apoligize if I come across as offended with some of your posts, but have become ingrained after living in cities as well to the racism of city folk against rural folk. And that's something that will not go away. Urban areas have their manufacturing capabilities and rural has their cultivating capacities. They need one another to survive.

I still think that the entire thing is much ado about nothing.

a reply to: TDawgRex

Some of the kids? A lot were taking part. Lets take a chunk away for peer pressure. But some of them knew what they were doing. I don't see it a much ado about nothing. I see it more as an indication of the times, where that sort of nonsense that should be stomped down on hard, is allowed to occur.

Just to wrap up this specific incident - the school district acknowledges the students are protected by the 1st amendment

And, when asking the photographer:

The parent who took the photographer said he simply asked the boys to wave goodbye to their parents before heading to prom.

Source - AP

When you "Stomp down hard", you have a tendency to create more sympathizers. Read some history, it's chock full of examples.