a reply to: Kandinsky
Well, I think you're hard-over in the other direction, but okay, let's see if we can agree on something...
I think the real core issue, if we could ever distill it down that far in debates, is NOT the fact that there are changes happening in the
environment, but rather that MAN is the sole cause of them. Of course mankind plays a role! And so does every other living thing, and dead thing,
and planet, and Sun...and, and, and.
I think you'd be able to find a whole lot more people who were willing to discuss this topic rationally if Al Gore hadn't tried to attach a tax to
something mankind quite probably can have little influence on. It's like creating a "Sunrise tax". Mankind can do little to prevent the Sun rising
tomorrow, but we CAN do things like curbing pollution and not trashing everything. All Al Gore did was to weaponize taxes to strangle business.
Let's look at the extremes (always a good place to start in protracted arguments). If environmentalist's could have their cake and eat it too there
would be no industry, there would be no houses, no cars, not a single mechanized thing. Humans would be vegetarians who consumed only 100%
sustainable, non-GMO, crops which were fertilized with all natural products, etc. At the other end of the spectrum we have China (just as an
example), who doesn't give one flying foo-fah about the environment. They run factories at full bore spewing every chemical imaginable, invade the
planet with non-biodegradable plastics and chew up natural resources like there's no tomorrow making rubber dogs# novelty items which sell for .02.
Are either of those rational postures? Certainly not! In the middle lies the rest of the world. And, it's 'the middle' in more ways than one. Most
importantly, it's the middle class, the last bastion of wealth on planet earth which hasn't been raped and pillaged. The super-elite have insulated
themselves (and their money) through legislation and other protections. And, the poor are defenseless, but they have nothing to steal. That leaves
the middle class. BOOM! Enter Global (I'll be nice) "Climate Change". You can't fix a problem unless you fix the outliers first, and you certainly
can't fix the outliers by using the money of the guys in the middle (which is exactly where Al Gore and others go) when the outliers are dug into
their fortifications and just flipping the rest of the world off.
In order to have meaningful discussions we as a species need to be able to agree that we will do the best we can do. The threat for failure cannot be
weaponized taxes (which fix nothing, and go to whom?) as an enforcement tool. The real enforcement tool is condemnation and shame. Only when it
becomes un-cool to support people who destroy the Earth will things change. BUT, we have to look at people too, because sometimes it costs more to be
'cool', and as long as people are selfish and okay with being un-cool to save a dime nothing will change.
edit on 11/13/2018 by Flyingclaydisk because: (no reason given)