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originally posted by: subfab
how often do we read articles about:
the never ending wars?
failing public education system?
corporate run prisons?
the short answer is, we don't. we get instead, trump is a bad person, the Clintons are a crime family. all nonsense.
we've had democrat led government.... nothing changed
we've had republican led government .... nothing changed.
Well, comparing this to simply closing military bases is not a particularly well thought out example.
The issue, which has pitted almost every major veterans group against Concerned Veterans for America, an advocacy group funded by the billionaire conservative brothers Charles G. and David H. Koch, and its allies, has been at the center of months of intrigue at the sprawling Department of Veterans Affairs, which is charged with caring for the United States’ 20 million veterans.
Dr. Shulkin, who was dismissed Wednesday evening by presidential tweet, argued in an op-ed article in The New York Times and in a subsequent interview on Thursday that such radical restructuring of veterans’ health care would not work.
He said that a middle path that he had tried to pursue — investing in the department’s own health care system while offering veterans more, though not unfettered, access to private doctors — had been rejected by Trump administration officials interested in rewarding private individuals and companies with a windfall in government money.
“They saw me as an obstacle to privatization who had to be removed,” he wrote in one of the most forceful statements offered yet by a fired Trump administration official.
www.nytimes.com...
originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: tanstaafl
Well, comparing this to simply closing military bases is not a particularly well thought out example.
My point was it is claimed that Trump cares about military veterans yet his administration seems intent on taking veteran healthcare out of the hands of the government and privatising it
originally posted by: tanstaafl
originally posted by: subfab
how often do we read articles about:
the never ending wars?
failing public education system?
corporate run prisons?
the short answer is, we don't. we get instead, trump is a bad person, the Clintons are a crime family. all nonsense.
Ahem... you got it at least half right.
Trump is not a bad person (plenty of real evidence for anyone with eyes to see), although he does and says dumb things sometimes (who doesn't?), so definitely nonsense.
But... the Clintons? Sorry, they definitely are a crime family - again, plenty of real evidence for anyone with eyes to see. So not nonsense in the slightest.
we've had democrat led government.... nothing changed
we've had republican led government .... nothing changed.
Both true, but you know what? For the first time that I can remember, I actually have hope that some things at least might change for the better. Trump is at least trying, and look at what he is up against.
Personally, I'm amazed he is still breathing.
originally posted by: subfab
can you post links to all the stories where the clintons were charged and found guilty of crimes?
originally posted by: subfab
a reply to: tanstaafl
everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
the clintons are not a "crime family" until they are found guilty in a court of law.
twitter, facebook and youtube are not valid sources. either are biased books written by authors looking to cash in on people's already bias ideas.
originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: tanstaafl
But the private healthcare system is more about turning some kind of profit, than care.
In all seriousness, I don't think the aim is to 'privatize'it, it is to simply let them use the existing private healthcare system like anyone/everyone else.
originally posted by: gortex
As with all things governments do the proof of the pudding will be in the eating but the move of veteran care to the private sector seems to me aimed at saving money not improving veteran care.
I think most everyone agrees the VA 'health care' system is beyond broken, and has been since its inception. Why do you think that is? It is because, like all other government run programs, it is controlled by a bunch of beurorats who !gasp! only care about profit - in the sense of keeping their jobs and increasing their pay and benefits, all while doing as little actual work as possible. So, their only real concern is making the numbers look good on paper to their superiors so they keep their jobs and maybe even get a nice budget increase the following year.
originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: tanstaafl
I think most everyone agrees the VA 'health care' system is beyond broken, and has been since its inception. Why do you think that is? It is because, like all other government run programs, it is controlled by a bunch of beurorats who !gasp! only care about profit - in the sense of keeping their jobs and increasing their pay and benefits, all while doing as little actual work as possible. So, their only real concern is making the numbers look good on paper to their superiors so they keep their jobs and maybe even get a nice budget increase the following year.
True to a point, but I don't see it as profit made, just less expense(not right either way)..I guess it's a matter of perspective. I agree the system is broken, and I think most bureaucrat's should walk the plank.