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Frigate And Oil Tanker Collided In Norway

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posted on Nov, 8 2018 @ 08:05 AM
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They will go in and close up whatever they can and start pumping. I'm guessing some water tight doors that should have been shut weren't possibly because of getting injured crew out in a hurry as the water was coming up. Stern in the water so power probably went out quickly lots of possibilities but should be floating again in a few days not fully but floating. Tugs can keep it in place pros can float it.





posted on Nov, 8 2018 @ 08:05 AM
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a reply to: CharlesT

As crazy as it sounds - something like that.

You know what insurance companies are like. There could be a clause in the paperwork that states they are only covered if their fuel is accredited to ISO XXXX or whatever, they fuel up somewhere else and all is void.

That's a ludicrous example but you know what I'm on about.



posted on Nov, 8 2018 @ 12:06 PM
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Standing NATO Maritime Group 1 (SNMG1)

Since September, frigate KNM (HNoMS) Helge Ingstad has been a part of the Standing NATO Maritime Group 1 (SNMG1). The frigate is no longer in accute danger of sinking and has been secured with wires. Sture Terminal is no longer closed and oil production in the North Sea is slowly starting up again. Most of the fuel seen in the water is apparently helicopter fuel. It's not as bad as diesel.


Milliardfregatten boltes fast til grunnen for å ikke synke (Norwegian)

 


A part of the hole in the frigate is shown in this short video.

 



Участник натовских учений норвежский фрегат Helge Ingstad затонул в результате столкновения с танкером Sola TS



posted on Nov, 8 2018 @ 01:30 PM
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Am I the only one thinking the oil tanker is like a dead whale yet the frigate is like a fit greyhound. The frigate should run circle around a tanker. A tanker is an extremely large vessel and speed and maneuverability is nothing compared to the frigate.
Fine weather? So the frigate captain can't use that as an excuse. Either lacking awareness or he was doing something he shouldn't be doing.



posted on Nov, 8 2018 @ 02:20 PM
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Also consider that the frigate is meant to be "invisible" and hard to detect on radar. Its AIS was not on, and it was dark. There should be more than one person on the bridge of the frigate, not just the Captain. I wonder what happened, but it's easy to suspect that someone on the frigate made a mistake.



posted on Nov, 9 2018 @ 01:41 AM
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Not invisible

The frigate was warned by Fedje Vessel Traffic Service Centre AND the tanker before the crash. The frigate responded that they had everything under control!


Nettavis: Fregatten fikk flere advarsler – svarte at de hadde kontroll (Norwegian)



posted on Nov, 10 2018 @ 04:16 PM
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Turn to Starboard!

The frigate received clear warnings from the tanker. There was radio contact between the ships one minute before the crash. The tanker tells the frigate to turn to Starboard to avoid a collision. The frigate replied that they could not, for some reason. Later, the tanker gives the following message: "Helge Ingstad! Turn!" and then three seconds later saying, "There will be a collision here then!"...



KNM Helge Ingstad fikk klare advarsler fra tankskipet før ulykken (Norwegian)



posted on Nov, 12 2018 @ 07:51 AM
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What if... a Russian submarine caused a navigational malfunction, and that's why the frigate said they "had everything under control" while going at full speed towards the tanker? Just an idea...



posted on Nov, 12 2018 @ 02:02 PM
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If they did jam the GPS in northern Finland, could they've done something similar near Sture oil terminal too? Of course, the frigate don't need GPS to see a nearby tanker, but there seems to have been some kind of navigational error involved in this accident. How else could this accident happen? Unless it was caused by pure arrogance or a huge misunderstanding? There was apparently a "navigation drill" going on at the frigate at the time of the accident. It could perhaps be a factor if the GPS was missing, or maybe even giving the wrong coordinates somehow? Who knows what they're doing during a "navigation drill", and what kind of weapons are in play from the enemy?


Finnish PM: Russia possibly behind GPS jamming


The Finnish premier on Sunday told Yle that large-scale GPS signal disruptions over northern Finland during Nato exercises earlier this week were intentional.

Sipilä said it’s highly probable that Russia was behind the signal blocking that occurred during military exercises.



posted on Nov, 12 2018 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: Hellmutt

They may have been doing non-GPS navigation training and simply miscalculated where they were.



posted on Nov, 12 2018 @ 03:11 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

True.

 


There's also information that the tanker may have been in the wrong place. The tanker was going slow in the left lane sort of speak, while the other northbound traffic was going faster in the right lane. It's not clear whether it was supposed to use that track. NRK asked traffic control about this, but they did not reply.


Sjøoffiser mener tankskipet hadde feil kurs før ulykken (Norwegian)



Photo: NRK



posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 06:13 AM
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Radio traffic and Mayday call, with english subtitles.




posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 10:02 AM
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Well, she's mostly submerged now, which in most people books equals sunk.

It'll be one hell of a job to fix her now. She was launched a decade ago, so a comparatively young ship, so that may mean she's not written off.

Defence Journal


Norwegian frigate slips below water despite salvage effort

edit on 13/11/2018 by paraphi because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 13 2018 @ 09:48 PM
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Their decision to let amateurs try to save the ship because it was cheaper, was not the smartest thing to do. Other companies could have done it faster and better. They even had resources nearby. Chains could have been delivered within an hour. Instead, they tried to use thin wires. And according to professionals, they even made mistakes when they mounted these wires, adding more stress to them. The recovery attempt was also delayed more than necessary. Trying to "save money", they have lost the ship instead. Such an important job should be awarded to the best, not to the cheapest!


Stricken Norwegian Frigate Has Almost Completely Sunk After Its Anchor Wires Snapped


The Forsvaret's decision to hire BOA, over competitor Ardent Global Marine Services, to lead the salvage operation has come under scrutiny, as well. Ardent Global says it made an offer, but that it was rejected for being too expensive, according to Norwegian outlet AldriMer.no. Another nearby firm, Sotra Anchor & Chain, has criticized the decision to use wires instead of chains to secure the frigate to the shore, saying that the latter is the international standard for holding large ships in place after an accident.


 


From the same link as above:


The recording does not include anyone on board Helge Ingstad saying "we have everything under control," as had been previously reported. It is very possible that the two ships and the maritime traffic controllers are using more than one radio to communicate and we don't have the full extent of the discussions between the various parties. AldriMer.no noted that there are long pauses in the publicly available audio and a general lack of communication from Fedje VTS, which seem odd given the concerns about an imminent collision.


 


Fedje VTS told Sola TS, that they didn't know what ship was coming towards them. That it was just an anonymous blip on the radar. However, the frigate had already told Fedje VTS that they were coming, one hour before this. It's not clear why they forgot this information, and why they seemed so passive before the collision.


Radar Images & Audio Log of KNM Helge Ingstad Frigate — Sola TS Oil Tanker Collision


We know that the AIS tracking of Helge Ingstad was turned of only until after the accident. Also, until the 47th second of the video (0:54) the unknown ship doesn’t have a speed vector on the radar. Only then, it appears at 0.0 knots, gradually shifting up to 17.4 knots by 1:30. The unknown ship was clearly not accelerating — it was already moving before the speed vector appeared — only that its speed became fully visible in the radar within these 36 seconds (probably a stealth navigating feature turned off).


Norwegian news outlet VG has published the radar images and the audio log of the collision. The frigate KNM Helge Ingstad is steering towards Sola TS oil tanker at full speed, despite repeated warnings that a collision was imminent. Let’s inspect the timeline and try to understand how this accident happened. Here’s an English translation of what happened.


Visit the link for the english translation



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