About the pope, why we should pray.

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posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 11:28 PM
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You have voted Shai_lene for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.


Very nicely said Lene. Us Non Christians dont need people trying to tell us that we're wrong, and trying to convert us. I get enough people telling me im going straight to hell at school. Iv always said that if you have a good heart and just be good to each other, then you should be just fine if there really is a god or higher being. Heres my basic take on the Bible, and the basic teachings of Christianity.




posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 11:56 PM
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Yes, I agree. Nobody should be disrespected for their beliefs. I believe as you do, that ultimately, God looks at our hearts, not at what religion we are or aren't. Thank You and I am so sorry you went through what you did as a child, that is plain ignorance of anothers feelings, for how they believe. As long as we have love, we don't need anything more, love always leads us to do good.
Shay



posted on Mar, 3 2005 @ 04:34 PM
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lene, how can you believe in Jesus when he said the opposite of what you promote? your promotin freemasonry. If souls are fine in their own religion then why do all of those religions not say jesus is god?


we can/t serve Jesus and falsehood.


Jesus talking, literally God talking.


John 8:24

" Therefore said to you, that you shall die in your sins. Forif you believe not that I am he, you shall diein your sins "




because his grace strengthens you to beat, pride, lust ect. can truly attest to this because I used to be probably bigger sinners than any of you here.




Acts 4:12

" Nether is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name in heaven giventomen, where by we must be saved "




Mark 16:16

" He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved: but he that believeth not shal be condemned "




You can'thave it bothways Lene, either you believe in his words and him or you don't. How can you say you believe in all religions?



that means you believe in Christians too, you have to. but what your saying is not what jesus is sying because he says hes the only way.



I could write a million of his words, but ill only give you two more.



John 10:9


" I am the door. By me, if any man enter, he shall be saved "


John 3:36

" he that believeth in the son, hath life everlastng; but hethat believeth not the son,shall not see life; but the wath ofGod abideth in him "



this comes directly from christ mouth, ad he said these things ecause withouthis grace in communion, the holy sacrafice wecanno hae enou grace tobeat sin, an I can attest to this because I used to believe without being catholic and I fell from thinking
I was saved already, whic I was notand I found thatt through temtation. Thegrace ofte sacafice o the mass is the only thing keeping me out of sinbecause he dwells witin you.




dreamland.


I am not condemning you to hell, because im still stuggling with sin and I have sin on my soul also. If I judged you I would be thrown into hell because im no better than you, itsjst his grace that makes anybody holier, not me. Im not a bible banging holy man who does this because I think im better than anybody because I actually think verybody isbetter than me including you. I rly know what it feals like
to recieve thegrace of christ in communion (true Latin mass) an its too remarkable to explain through words, itjust is suprnatural. thats why i have this link under my signature because it is truer tha anyting in the world, an it is why we were created, and why he came
to earth to sacrafice or s and for us to recieve hs scrafice through communinand the effects are literally real, and I feal them growing in me.





God Bless.



posted on Mar, 3 2005 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by TruthLobo, I truly love your soul, and you can take what I said how you want, but if you ever knew the effects of sanctifying grace, you would never want to leave it,

Well, that's your opinion. I am happy with what I believe in. Christianity is not for everyone. Maybe it is for you - and I'm happy that you have found what brings you peace, but it does not bring it to me.


I literally from experience could never beat sin on my own without this grace which God honestly is the realest thing
ive ever felt in my life. My heart feals like exploding for you souls and for Jesus honestly.

That's all fine and good. "God," as you believe in him/her/it/they is not "real" to me. As Ibelieve in God, however, it is very real. I understand you want to share the immense joy you feel in your life, but if others do not want to hear it, let them be. Jesus himself said this. If I remember correctly (I don't have a bible handy, so I'm guessing, but if you're half the bible-expert you think you are, you'll know it) in the 10th chapter of Matthew (or maybe the 9th chapter of Luke) Jesus said something to the extent of: "...when people do not accept you [or your message,] shake the dust off your feet and move on." Please, shake the dust. I don't want to hear it. I've heard it a thousand times. My old lady is a Christian, okay? I've heard the message, I get it - I just don't believe it. If she can't change my mind, why do you think that text received via the Internet will? If I want to convert, I will do so of my own accord. Until then, let me exercise my right to practice what I wish, without being harrassed.


I honestly wish you would believe, not from my intolerance, but from my experience in sanctifying grace, its truly supernatural and I can feal my heart growing like jesus.

No, it's intolerance. Denouncing every religious belief other than your own - in fact, mocking them - is intolerance. I remember you saying something to me similar to "go and pray to statues and see where that will get you" not long ago - not realizing that a statue of the Buddha is a focal point of meditation, not an object of worship. I feel very elated in my belief, as well, and wish I could share it with the world - however, it is not my place to disrespect other people or their beliefs by preaching, shoveling pseudo-facist religious # in their faces, and denouncing their beliefs. I respect people too much for that. Apparently, you don't respect me enough to let me pray in my own way to a person who is worthy of it. Prayer is prayer, period.

I'm often said to be "intolerant of Christianity." This is not true - I'm only intolerant of people who push an issue to the point of pure fury. You don't preach to me, I won't preach to you. I'm very tolerant of Christianity, and indeed accept that it could be true. I don't believe it is, but I believe it is a possibility.


Very nicely said Lene. Us Non Christians dont need people trying to tell us that we're wrong, and trying to convert us. I get enough people telling me im going straight to hell at school. Iv always said that if you have a good heart and just be good to each other, then you should be just fine if there really is a god or higher being.

I agree, to a point. We "unbelievers" hear "the message" often enough - it's inescapable: peers, coworkers, the media, "'n-word'-knockers," and the like. (Oh, that's in no way a racist comment - I grew up in the country, it's a common term down here. If you are offended, it wasn't meant that way.)


lene, how can you believe in Jesus when he said the opposite of what you promote? your promotin freemasonry. If souls are fine in their own religion then why do all of those religions not say jesus is god?

Because they don't believe Jesus is God. Duh. And what, exactly, is wrong with Freemasonry? I assume you believe it is "Satanic," or involved in the Occult, simply because you can't get into their little club? It's a fraternity, for men only - it's a men's club.



we can/t serve Jesus and falsehood.

Oh, so accepted that every religion, instead of one, is valid (not necessarily "true," but valid) is serving falsehood? Respecting others' beliefs is a sin? As far as I'm concerned, if you can't let others find their own happiness in their own beliefs, you're no better than a religion Nazi. So take me to the camp and gas me, Sieg Heil!




because his grace strengthens you to beat, pride, lust ect. can truly attest to this because I used to be probably bigger sinners than any of you here.

And you probably still are. I have noticed that I sin as little or less than many self-professed Christians that I run into. That's a non-issue, really, just thought I'd throw it out there. And, if his grace helps you "beat pride," why are you so proud and arrogant here? I smell a contradiction.



" Nether is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name in heaven giventomen, where by we must be saved "

Wrong. Siddhartha Gautama "saved himself" from sansara. Oh, but you have no idea what I'm talking about, therefore I'm automatically wrong.



You can'thave it bothways Lene, either you believe in his words and him or you don't. How can you say you believe in all religions?

lene didn't say she subscribed to all religions, did she? I don't recall seeing that anywhere. I believe she said she sees the validity of them all, has acceptance and tolerance for them all...something you have yet to grasp. Oh, and you can be a member of Christianity, and a member of another religion as well, arguably, so long as your "other religion" doesn't contain deities that require worship. So, you can be a Christian-Taoist, or a Christian-Buddhist, among others, without any problems.


that means you believe in Christians too, you have to. but what your saying is not what jesus is sying because he says hes the only way.

Nobody has to believe in a goddamned thing because you, God, or anybody else says so. And, lene didn't say that Jesus was the only way - again, she merely said that every path has validity. Asshole.


I could write a million of his words, but ill only give you two more.

Yeah, most of them aren't "his words" to begin with. Most of his teachings were given 700 years before... bu Siddhartha Gautama -- the Buddha. Maybe I should start evangelizing Buddhism to you, see how you like it.



John 3:36

" he that believeth in the son, hath life everlastng; but hethat believeth not the son,shall not see life; but the wath ofGod abideth in him "


this comes directly from christ mouth, ad he said these things ecause withouthis grace in communion, the holy sacrafice wecanno hae enou grace tobeat sin, an I can attest to this because I used to believe without being catholic and I fell from thinking
I was saved already, whic I was notand I found thatt through temtation. Thegrace ofte sacafice o the mass is the only thing keeping me out of sinbecause he dwells witin you.

Well, I'm terribly sorry that you have to have somebody tell you what to do in order to "keep out of temptation." I don't, but that's just me.



dreamland.

Yep, that's where you are right now.



I am not condemning you to hell,

Yes you are.


because im still stuggling with sin and I have sin on my soul also.

Wow, you finally admit you're not perfect. I'm amazed.


If I judged you I would be thrown into hell because im no better than you, itsjst his grace that makes anybody holier, not me.

Then you're already burning. You have been judging myself and others on BTS.


Im not a bible banging holy man

So you're a liar, too?


who does this because I think im better than anybody because I actually think verybody isbetter than me including you. I rly know what it feals like
to recieve thegrace of christ in communion

You do think you're better than us. That's the problem. You can feel however you wish, but frankly I do not care.


its too remarkable to explain through words,

Then quit trying.


it is truer tha anyting in the world,

That's your opinion. Not a fact, by any means.


an it is why we were created, and why he came
to earth to sacrafice or s and for us to recieve hs scrafice through communinand the effects are literally real, and I feal them growing in me.

That's all fine and good - I feel the effects of the Buddha's teaching growing in me. I don't give a damn what you feel, believe, or think - keep it to yourself.

EDIT: Oh, by the way: congratulations, you've taken a thread whose purpose was originally to pray for someone, and have turned it into a bible-beating preaching convention. You've turned it into a fight - you have antagonized a fight. Great Christian you are.


[edit on 3-3-2005 by LOBO]



posted on Mar, 3 2005 @ 05:57 PM
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Lobo, non of this was my intention, but I should have never entered this conversation. I just had a tremendous at church and I cried nearly through half of the mass, and the relics of the Lord were there and I felt
him dwelling within me and just want souls to get back who were catholic.


Ill leave this topic so everybody can get back to its original post.


some conversations I should not enter, and I should have not entered this one, I just get real worried for your souls because I know he is the Lord and ive seen his miracles.



"prideful"

trust me brother, I don't deserve to eat or breath and feal guilty for doing so sometimes, so if you say what jesus said about judging than listen to it yourself. I am no better than anybody here honestly, god knows that I know this and thats all that matters.




Peace.



posted on Mar, 3 2005 @ 10:12 PM
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Thank You ever so much for what you did. I don't like to be rude to anybody, but, well, I thought that this person was hurting others feelings, by stating he was better than you me or others. Like you said, this was a thread for prayer only, whether it be just thinking good thought or whatever someone believes will help another through their beliefs. We are all equal, no-one is better, and I so appreciate you for stepping in and making your thoughts and feelings be known, it helped me also.
You are a good , and kind person.





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