Originally posted by TruthLobo, I truly love your soul, and you can take what I said how you want, but if you ever knew the effects of
sanctifying grace, you would never want to leave it,
Well, that's your opinion. I am happy
with what I believe in. Christianity is not for everyone. Maybe it is for you - and I'm happy that you
have found what brings you peace, but it does not bring it to me.
I literally from experience could never beat sin on my own without this grace which God honestly is the realest thing
ive ever felt in my life. My heart feals like exploding for you souls and for Jesus honestly.
That's all fine and good. "God," as you believe in him/her/it/they is not "real" to me. As I
believe in God, however, it is very real. I
understand you want to share the immense joy you feel in your life, but if others do not want to hear it, let them be. Jesus himself said this. If I
remember correctly (I don't have a bible handy, so I'm guessing, but if you're half the bible-expert you think you are, you'll know it) in the
10th chapter of Matthew (or maybe the 9th chapter of Luke) Jesus said something to the extent of: "...when people do not accept you [or your
message,] shake the dust off your feet and move on." Please, shake the dust. I don't want to hear it. I've heard it a thousand times. My old lady
is a Christian, okay? I've heard the message, I get it - I just don't believe it. If she can't change my mind, why do you think that text received
via the Internet will? If I want to convert, I will do so of my own accord. Until then, let me exercise my right
to practice what I wish,
without being harrassed.
I honestly wish you would believe, not from my intolerance, but from my experience in sanctifying grace, its truly supernatural and I can feal
my heart growing like jesus.
No, it's intolerance. Denouncing every religious belief other than your own - in fact, mocking them - is intolerance. I remember you saying something
to me similar to "go and pray to statues and see where that will get you" not long ago - not realizing that a statue of the Buddha is a focal point
of meditation, not an object of worship. I feel very elated in my belief, as well, and wish I could share it with the world - however, it is not my
place to disrespect other people
or their beliefs by preaching, shoveling pseudo-facist religious # in their faces, and denouncing their
beliefs. I respect people too much for that. Apparently, you don't respect me enough to let me pray in my own way to a person who is worthy of it.
Prayer is prayer, period.
I'm often said to be "intolerant of Christianity." This is not true - I'm only intolerant of people who push an issue to the point of pure fury.
You don't preach to me, I won't preach to you. I'm very tolerant of Christianity, and indeed accept that it could
be true. I don't believe
it is, but I believe it is a possibility.
Very nicely said Lene. Us Non Christians dont need people trying to tell us that we're wrong, and trying to convert us. I get enough people
telling me im going straight to hell at school. Iv always said that if you have a good heart and just be good to each other, then you should be just
fine if there really is a god or higher being.
I agree, to a point. We "unbelievers" hear "the message" often enough - it's inescapable: peers, coworkers, the media, "'n-word'-knockers," and
the like. (Oh, that's in no way a racist comment - I grew up in the country, it's a common term down here. If you are offended, it wasn't meant
lene, how can you believe in Jesus when he said the opposite of what you promote? your promotin freemasonry. If souls are fine in their own
religion then why do all of those religions not say jesus is god?
Because they don't believe Jesus is God. Duh. And what, exactly, is wrong with Freemasonry? I assume you believe it is "Satanic," or involved in
the Occult, simply because you can't get into their little club? It's a fraternity, for men only - it's a men's club.
we can/t serve Jesus and falsehood.
Oh, so accepted that every
religion, instead of one, is valid (not necessarily "true," but valid) is serving falsehood? Respecting others'
beliefs is a sin? As far as I'm concerned, if you can't let others find their own happiness in their own beliefs, you're no better than a religion
Nazi. So take me to the camp and gas me, Sieg Heil!
because his grace strengthens you to beat, pride, lust ect. can truly attest to this because I used to be probably bigger sinners than any of
And you probably still are. I have noticed that I sin as little or less than many self-professed Christians that I run into. That's a non-issue,
really, just thought I'd throw it out there. And, if his grace helps you "beat pride," why are you so proud and arrogant here? I smell a
" Nether is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name in heaven giventomen, where by we must be saved "
Wrong. Siddhartha Gautama "saved himself" from sansara
. Oh, but you have no idea what I'm talking about, therefore I'm automatically
You can'thave it bothways Lene, either you believe in his words and him or you don't. How can you say you believe in all religions?
lene didn't say she subscribed to all religions, did she? I don't recall seeing that anywhere. I believe she said she sees the validity
them all, has acceptance and tolerance for them all...something you have yet to grasp. Oh, and you can
be a member of Christianity, and a
member of another religion as well, arguably, so long as your "other religion" doesn't contain deities that require worship. So, you can be a
Christian-Taoist, or a Christian-Buddhist, among others, without any problems.
that means you believe in Christians too, you have to. but what your saying is not what jesus is sying because he says hes the only
to believe in a goddamned thing because you,
God, or anybody else says so. And, lene didn't say that Jesus was the only way
- again, she merely said that every path has validity. Asshole.
I could write a million of his words, but ill only give you two more.
Yeah, most of them aren't "his words" to begin with. Most of his teachings were given 700 years before... bu Siddhartha Gautama -- the
. Maybe I should start evangelizing Buddhism to you, see how you like it.
" he that believeth in the son, hath life everlastng; but hethat believeth not the son,shall not see life; but the wath ofGod abideth in him "
this comes directly from christ mouth, ad he said these things ecause withouthis grace in communion, the holy sacrafice wecanno hae enou grace tobeat
sin, an I can attest to this because I used to believe without being catholic and I fell from thinking
I was saved already, whic I was notand I found thatt through temtation. Thegrace ofte sacafice o the mass is the only thing keeping me out of
sinbecause he dwells witin you.
Well, I'm terribly sorry that you have to have somebody tell you what to do in order to "keep out of temptation." I don't, but that's just me.
Yep, that's where you are right now.
I am not condemning you to hell,
Yes you are.
because im still stuggling with sin and I have sin on my soul also.
Wow, you finally admit you're not perfect. I'm amazed.
If I judged you I would be thrown into hell because im no better than you, itsjst his grace that makes anybody holier, not me.
Then you're already burning. You have
been judging myself
and others on BTS.
Im not a bible banging holy man
So you're a liar, too?
who does this because I think im better than anybody because I actually think verybody isbetter than me including you. I rly know what it feals
to recieve thegrace of christ in communion
think you're better than us. That's the problem. You can feel
however you wish, but frankly I do not care.
its too remarkable to explain through words,
Then quit trying.
it is truer tha anyting in the world,
That's your opinion. Not a fact, by any means.
an it is why we were created, and why he came
to earth to sacrafice or s and for us to recieve hs scrafice through communinand the effects are literally real, and I feal them growing in me.
That's all fine and good - I feel the effects of the Buddha's teaching growing in me. I don't give a damn what you feel, believe, or think - keep
it to yourself.
Oh, by the way: congratulations, you've taken a thread whose purpose was originally to pray for someone, and have turned it into a
bible-beating preaching convention. You've turned it into a fight - you
have antagonized a fight. Great Christian you are.
[edit on 3-3-2005 by LOBO]