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Federal Judge allows North Dakota Republicans to block Native Americans from voting

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posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 01:12 PM
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originally posted by: rollanotherone

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: rollanotherone

originally posted by: Mahogany
Native Americans are not going to vote Republican after the stunts they pulled on them. That is the sole reason for this voter suppression... you would not suppress someone who might vote for you. You suppress those who definitely won't vote for you.

The Democrats stood with the Native Americans during the protests against the oil pipelines and then Trump came in and just pooped all over them and allowed the oil interests in.

And then there was a big oil spill on the very same land they were protesting on and trying to protect.

And let's ignore the mess these "PROtesters" left behind during their occupation. Worse than a 3 day music festival.


Protests that lasted months and months. People lived their lives in those tents while they protested.

Meanwhile, everyone else was hard at work, paying Bill's, taxes, mortgages. You know, the real world stuff called adulting.


It's their land, man. How do you keep missing the point?

It is their land that got taken so a pipeline can be built. They live on it, they work on it. Maybe they were still working while in tents and making dreamcatchers for sale. Don't be so thick, it's very unbecoming.

Let's put this into easier to understand terms.

You house and your land is taken so a mall can be built. You protest and stay in your house for months, not going to work, so that your house can't be demolished while you're gone, or barricaded so you can't go back in if you leave.

Make sense now?

In addition, if you were finally chased off your property and your house and land were taken... would you mow the lawn for them before you left and kept it all pristine clean for the demolition?




posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 01:15 PM
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a reply to: mikell

Doing a little googling. It seems that some reservations do not have sufficient utilities.


The Energy Information Administration estimates that 14 percent of households on Native American reservations have no access to electricity, 10 times higher than the national average.


www.bizjournals.com...



Further increasing the concerns with reservation housing is the noticeable absence of utilities. While most Americans take running water, telephones, and electricity for granted, many reservation families live without these amenities. On a seriously stretched budget, utilities are viewed as luxuries compared to food and transportation. Overcrowding, substandard dwellings, and lack of utilities all increase the potential for health risk, especially in rural and remote areas where there is a lack of accessible healthcare.


www.nativepartnership.org...


I haven't found a hard number on how many people this would affect. Most websites show NAI population to be around 5.6 million. So anywhere from 500k to 784k people would be affected by this?

So mikell, with this new info... what do you think?



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 01:17 PM
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originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Mahogany
Native Americans are not going to vote Republican after the stunts they pulled on them. That is the sole reason for this voter suppression... you would not suppress someone who might vote for you. You suppress those who definitely won't vote for you.

The Democrats stood with the Native Americans during the protests against the oil pipelines and then Trump came in and just pooped all over them and allowed the oil interests in.

And then there was a big oil spill on the very same land they were protesting on and trying to protect.


Read the actual law....there is no suppression at all. The OP source is partisan BS and skewed to create outrage.

Every single native American that could vote before, can still vote now with the exact same ease they could before. No hoops at all.



Thanks Vasa, will you please link the section in the actual law for us, I really don't have the time to read the whole law.

I did go back and re-read the article and I still get the same information from it.


Following Democratic Sen. Heidi Heitkamp’s narrow victory in 2012, North Dakota’s Republican lawmakers passed a new law requiring voters to present an ID that lists their current residential street address. The measure plainly targeted Native Americans, many of whom live on rural reservations with no street names or residential addresses. Previously, residents could vote with a valid mailing address, allowing rural tribal voters to list their P.O. Box. Now they must provide an ID with their exact residency—something that many Native Americans don’t have and can’t get.


What does the actual law say that is different from this?

It sounds like a P.O. Box won't work and an actual residential address is needed. Are you saying the law states otherwise and specifically says PO Boxes are good to go?


Happy to:


Requirements for Identification

(NDCC § 16.1-01-04.1)

➣ Identification must include the voter’s:

Name

Current North Dakota Residential Address

Date of Birth

Acceptable Forms of Identification:

➣ Voting at the Polling Place – A Valid North Dakota:

Driver’s license

Nondriver’s identification card

Tribal government issued identification (including those issued by BIA for a tribe located in North Dakota, any other tribal agency or entity, or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address)

Long term care identification certificate (provided by North Dakota facility)

➣ Supplemental Documentation

If an individual’s valid form of identification does not include the North Dakota residential address or date of birth, or the North Dakota residential address is not current, the individual may supplement the identification with a current utility bill; a current bank statement; a check or a document issued by a federal, state, local, or tribal government (including those issued by BIA for a tribe located in North Dakota, any other tribal agency or entity, or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address); or a paycheck.


➣ Set Aside Ballot Option

If an individual is not able to show a valid form of identification but asserts qualifications as an elector, the individual may mark a ballot that will be securely set aside. When the individual provides valid identification to the proper election official prior to the meeting of the canvassing board, the set aside ballot will be presented to the canvassing board for proper inclusion in the tally.

➣ Voting Absentee or by Mail – A Valid:

Form of identification listed above

➣ Voting Absentee or by Mail – Special Circumstances – A Valid:

Passport or Military ID – Only for North Dakota residents living outside the United States who do not possess one of the other forms of identification.

Attester – An applicant living with a disability that prevents the individual from traveling away from the individual’s home to obtain an acceptable form of identification may use an attester. The attester must provide his or her name, North Dakota driver’s license, nondriver’s, or tribal identification number, and sign the absentee/mail ballot application form to attest to the applicant’s North Dakota residency and voting eligibility.

NDCC § 16.1-07-06 states:

A copy of the supplemental documentation, if necessary, can be used when applying for an absentee/mail ballot.

Incomplete applications will be returned to the applicant for completion and resubmission.



vip.sos.nd.gov...

Bold is the part the OP source conveniently decides to leave out.



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 01:20 PM
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originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Mahogany
Native Americans are not going to vote Republican after the stunts they pulled on them. That is the sole reason for this voter suppression... you would not suppress someone who might vote for you. You suppress those who definitely won't vote for you.

The Democrats stood with the Native Americans during the protests against the oil pipelines and then Trump came in and just pooped all over them and allowed the oil interests in.

And then there was a big oil spill on the very same land they were protesting on and trying to protect.


Read the actual law....there is no suppression at all. The OP source is partisan BS and skewed to create outrage.

Every single native American that could vote before, can still vote now with the exact same ease they could before. No hoops at all.



Thanks Vasa, will you please link the section in the actual law for us, I really don't have the time to read the whole law.

I did go back and re-read the article and I still get the same information from it.


Following Democratic Sen. Heidi Heitkamp’s narrow victory in 2012, North Dakota’s Republican lawmakers passed a new law requiring voters to present an ID that lists their current residential street address. The measure plainly targeted Native Americans, many of whom live on rural reservations with no street names or residential addresses. Previously, residents could vote with a valid mailing address, allowing rural tribal voters to list their P.O. Box. Now they must provide an ID with their exact residency—something that many Native Americans don’t have and can’t get.


What does the actual law say that is different from this?

It sounds like a P.O. Box won't work and an actual residential address is needed. Are you saying the law states otherwise and specifically says PO Boxes are good to go?


Happy to:


Requirements for Identification

(NDCC § 16.1-01-04.1)

➣ Identification must include the voter’s:

Name

Current North Dakota Residential Address

Date of Birth

Acceptable Forms of Identification:

➣ Voting at the Polling Place – A Valid North Dakota:

Driver’s license

Nondriver’s identification card

Tribal government issued identification (including those issued by BIA for a tribe located in North Dakota, any other tribal agency or entity, or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address)

Long term care identification certificate (provided by North Dakota facility)

➣ Supplemental Documentation

If an individual’s valid form of identification does not include the North Dakota residential address or date of birth, or the North Dakota residential address is not current, the individual may supplement the identification with a current utility bill; a current bank statement; a check or a document issued by a federal, state, local, or tribal government (including those issued by BIA for a tribe located in North Dakota, any other tribal agency or entity, or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address); or a paycheck.


➣ Set Aside Ballot Option

If an individual is not able to show a valid form of identification but asserts qualifications as an elector, the individual may mark a ballot that will be securely set aside. When the individual provides valid identification to the proper election official prior to the meeting of the canvassing board, the set aside ballot will be presented to the canvassing board for proper inclusion in the tally.

➣ Voting Absentee or by Mail – A Valid:

Form of identification listed above

➣ Voting Absentee or by Mail – Special Circumstances – A Valid:

Passport or Military ID – Only for North Dakota residents living outside the United States who do not possess one of the other forms of identification.

Attester – An applicant living with a disability that prevents the individual from traveling away from the individual’s home to obtain an acceptable form of identification may use an attester. The attester must provide his or her name, North Dakota driver’s license, nondriver’s, or tribal identification number, and sign the absentee/mail ballot application form to attest to the applicant’s North Dakota residency and voting eligibility.

NDCC § 16.1-07-06 states:

A copy of the supplemental documentation, if necessary, can be used when applying for an absentee/mail ballot.

Incomplete applications will be returned to the applicant for completion and resubmission.



vip.sos.nd.gov...

Bold is the part the OP source conveniently decides to leave out.


Ok awesome and thank you very much.

The supplemental section STILL requires a residential address:



or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address)


Is there a section of the law that states they can vote without a residential address?

So far the section of the law you quoted supports the article in the original post.

I truly appreciate linking that, I really do, but it does not say anything new and it does not support what you're saying. Read it again. Whichever way you read it, it REQUIRES a residential address, which they don't have.



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 01:20 PM
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originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
Nonsense. They can go pick up a ballot and mail it in or, maybe just DRIVE to the actual polling station and vote like most of the country.

Oh, and how can mail be delivered without an address? Maybe make some improvements on the reservation. Like a $25 street sign and a $25 mailbox like EVERYONE who lives on a street in the US.


They have PO boxes...but those aren't allowed by the voter registration rules.



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 01:24 PM
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originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Mahogany
Native Americans are not going to vote Republican after the stunts they pulled on them. That is the sole reason for this voter suppression... you would not suppress someone who might vote for you. You suppress those who definitely won't vote for you.

The Democrats stood with the Native Americans during the protests against the oil pipelines and then Trump came in and just pooped all over them and allowed the oil interests in.

And then there was a big oil spill on the very same land they were protesting on and trying to protect.


Read the actual law....there is no suppression at all. The OP source is partisan BS and skewed to create outrage.

Every single native American that could vote before, can still vote now with the exact same ease they could before. No hoops at all.



Thanks Vasa, will you please link the section in the actual law for us, I really don't have the time to read the whole law.

I did go back and re-read the article and I still get the same information from it.


Following Democratic Sen. Heidi Heitkamp’s narrow victory in 2012, North Dakota’s Republican lawmakers passed a new law requiring voters to present an ID that lists their current residential street address. The measure plainly targeted Native Americans, many of whom live on rural reservations with no street names or residential addresses. Previously, residents could vote with a valid mailing address, allowing rural tribal voters to list their P.O. Box. Now they must provide an ID with their exact residency—something that many Native Americans don’t have and can’t get.


What does the actual law say that is different from this?

It sounds like a P.O. Box won't work and an actual residential address is needed. Are you saying the law states otherwise and specifically says PO Boxes are good to go?


Happy to:


Requirements for Identification

(NDCC § 16.1-01-04.1)

➣ Identification must include the voter’s:

Name

Current North Dakota Residential Address

Date of Birth

Acceptable Forms of Identification:

➣ Voting at the Polling Place – A Valid North Dakota:

Driver’s license

Nondriver’s identification card

Tribal government issued identification (including those issued by BIA for a tribe located in North Dakota, any other tribal agency or entity, or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address)

Long term care identification certificate (provided by North Dakota facility)

➣ Supplemental Documentation

If an individual’s valid form of identification does not include the North Dakota residential address or date of birth, or the North Dakota residential address is not current, the individual may supplement the identification with a current utility bill; a current bank statement; a check or a document issued by a federal, state, local, or tribal government (including those issued by BIA for a tribe located in North Dakota, any other tribal agency or entity, or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address); or a paycheck.


➣ Set Aside Ballot Option

If an individual is not able to show a valid form of identification but asserts qualifications as an elector, the individual may mark a ballot that will be securely set aside. When the individual provides valid identification to the proper election official prior to the meeting of the canvassing board, the set aside ballot will be presented to the canvassing board for proper inclusion in the tally.

➣ Voting Absentee or by Mail – A Valid:

Form of identification listed above

➣ Voting Absentee or by Mail – Special Circumstances – A Valid:

Passport or Military ID – Only for North Dakota residents living outside the United States who do not possess one of the other forms of identification.

Attester – An applicant living with a disability that prevents the individual from traveling away from the individual’s home to obtain an acceptable form of identification may use an attester. The attester must provide his or her name, North Dakota driver’s license, nondriver’s, or tribal identification number, and sign the absentee/mail ballot application form to attest to the applicant’s North Dakota residency and voting eligibility.

NDCC § 16.1-07-06 states:

A copy of the supplemental documentation, if necessary, can be used when applying for an absentee/mail ballot.

Incomplete applications will be returned to the applicant for completion and resubmission.



vip.sos.nd.gov...

Bold is the part the OP source conveniently decides to leave out.


Ok awesome and thank you very much.

The supplemental section STILL requires a residential address:



or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address)


Is there a section of the law that states they can vote without a residential address?

So far the section of the law you quoted supports the article in the original post.

I truly appreciate linking that, I really do, but it does not say anything new and it does not support what you're saying. Read it again. Whichever way you read it, it REQUIRES a residential address, which they don't have.


Nope...that is only for the tribal govt issued ID. The very beginning states this:


If an individual’s valid form of identification does not include the North Dakota residential address or date of birth, or the North Dakota residential address is not current, the individual may supplement the identification with a current utility bill; a current bank statement; 



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: rollanotherone

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: rollanotherone

originally posted by: Mahogany
Native Americans are not going to vote Republican after the stunts they pulled on them. That is the sole reason for this voter suppression... you would not suppress someone who might vote for you. You suppress those who definitely won't vote for you.

The Democrats stood with the Native Americans during the protests against the oil pipelines and then Trump came in and just pooped all over them and allowed the oil interests in.

And then there was a big oil spill on the very same land they were protesting on and trying to protect.

And let's ignore the mess these "PROtesters" left behind during their occupation. Worse than a 3 day music festival.


Protests that lasted months and months. People lived their lives in those tents while they protested.

Meanwhile, everyone else was hard at work, paying Bill's, taxes, mortgages. You know, the real world stuff called adulting.


It's their land, man. How do you keep missing the point?

It is their land that got taken so a pipeline can be built. They live on it, they work on it. Maybe they were still working while in tents and making dreamcatchers for sale. Don't be so thick, it's very unbecoming.

Let's put this into easier to understand terms.

You house and your land is taken so a mall can be built. You protest and stay in your house for months, not going to work, so that your house can't be demolished while you're gone, or barricaded so you can't go back in if you leave.

Make sense now?

In addition, if you were finally chased off your property and your house and land were taken... would you mow the lawn for them before you left and kept it all pristine clean for the demolition?

Imminent domain. If you dont like, dont ever use public roads, public transport, or highways ever again to really Express your anger. Meanwhile, I'll take the good with the bad.



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 01:28 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal

Apparently you're the one thats stupid and have never set foot on a rez....So I would be careful calling someone else stupid... This is complete bs

But from you it's expected...... Man you're rallying hard.....

Learn to research......... Weren't you just calling other people stupid yesterday? You're sure looking the fool now
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posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 01:29 PM
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originally posted by: rollanotherone

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: rollanotherone

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: rollanotherone

originally posted by: Mahogany
Native Americans are not going to vote Republican after the stunts they pulled on them. That is the sole reason for this voter suppression... you would not suppress someone who might vote for you. You suppress those who definitely won't vote for you.

The Democrats stood with the Native Americans during the protests against the oil pipelines and then Trump came in and just pooped all over them and allowed the oil interests in.

And then there was a big oil spill on the very same land they were protesting on and trying to protect.

And let's ignore the mess these "PROtesters" left behind during their occupation. Worse than a 3 day music festival.


Protests that lasted months and months. People lived their lives in those tents while they protested.

Meanwhile, everyone else was hard at work, paying Bill's, taxes, mortgages. You know, the real world stuff called adulting.


It's their land, man. How do you keep missing the point?

It is their land that got taken so a pipeline can be built. They live on it, they work on it. Maybe they were still working while in tents and making dreamcatchers for sale. Don't be so thick, it's very unbecoming.

Let's put this into easier to understand terms.

You house and your land is taken so a mall can be built. You protest and stay in your house for months, not going to work, so that your house can't be demolished while you're gone, or barricaded so you can't go back in if you leave.

Make sense now?

In addition, if you were finally chased off your property and your house and land were taken... would you mow the lawn for them before you left and kept it all pristine clean for the demolition?

Imminent domain. If you dont like, dont ever use public roads, public transport, or highways ever again to really Express your anger. Meanwhile, I'll take the good with the bad.


Ahhh there we go. So, all arguing aside, you feel it justified that Native American land be taken in order to build an oil pipeline.

I just wish you guys were honest from the start so all the debate can be avoided.

You support the taking of any land for corporate benefit.

By the way, smart guy, Imminent Domain applies to the government not private oil corporations. So you're still wrong even though you admitted that you would support it anyway.

Have a good day, and please start with coming clean next time instead of wasting time with poor arguments.



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 01:31 PM
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originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Mahogany
Native Americans are not going to vote Republican after the stunts they pulled on them. That is the sole reason for this voter suppression... you would not suppress someone who might vote for you. You suppress those who definitely won't vote for you.

The Democrats stood with the Native Americans during the protests against the oil pipelines and then Trump came in and just pooped all over them and allowed the oil interests in.

And then there was a big oil spill on the very same land they were protesting on and trying to protect.


Read the actual law....there is no suppression at all. The OP source is partisan BS and skewed to create outrage.

Every single native American that could vote before, can still vote now with the exact same ease they could before. No hoops at all.



Thanks Vasa, will you please link the section in the actual law for us, I really don't have the time to read the whole law.

I did go back and re-read the article and I still get the same information from it.


Following Democratic Sen. Heidi Heitkamp’s narrow victory in 2012, North Dakota’s Republican lawmakers passed a new law requiring voters to present an ID that lists their current residential street address. The measure plainly targeted Native Americans, many of whom live on rural reservations with no street names or residential addresses. Previously, residents could vote with a valid mailing address, allowing rural tribal voters to list their P.O. Box. Now they must provide an ID with their exact residency—something that many Native Americans don’t have and can’t get.


What does the actual law say that is different from this?

It sounds like a P.O. Box won't work and an actual residential address is needed. Are you saying the law states otherwise and specifically says PO Boxes are good to go?


Happy to:


Requirements for Identification

(NDCC § 16.1-01-04.1)

➣ Identification must include the voter’s:

Name

Current North Dakota Residential Address

Date of Birth

Acceptable Forms of Identification:

➣ Voting at the Polling Place – A Valid North Dakota:

Driver’s license

Nondriver’s identification card

Tribal government issued identification (including those issued by BIA for a tribe located in North Dakota, any other tribal agency or entity, or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address)

Long term care identification certificate (provided by North Dakota facility)

➣ Supplemental Documentation

If an individual’s valid form of identification does not include the North Dakota residential address or date of birth, or the North Dakota residential address is not current, the individual may supplement the identification with a current utility bill; a current bank statement; a check or a document issued by a federal, state, local, or tribal government (including those issued by BIA for a tribe located in North Dakota, any other tribal agency or entity, or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address); or a paycheck.


➣ Set Aside Ballot Option

If an individual is not able to show a valid form of identification but asserts qualifications as an elector, the individual may mark a ballot that will be securely set aside. When the individual provides valid identification to the proper election official prior to the meeting of the canvassing board, the set aside ballot will be presented to the canvassing board for proper inclusion in the tally.

➣ Voting Absentee or by Mail – A Valid:

Form of identification listed above

➣ Voting Absentee or by Mail – Special Circumstances – A Valid:

Passport or Military ID – Only for North Dakota residents living outside the United States who do not possess one of the other forms of identification.

Attester – An applicant living with a disability that prevents the individual from traveling away from the individual’s home to obtain an acceptable form of identification may use an attester. The attester must provide his or her name, North Dakota driver’s license, nondriver’s, or tribal identification number, and sign the absentee/mail ballot application form to attest to the applicant’s North Dakota residency and voting eligibility.

NDCC § 16.1-07-06 states:

A copy of the supplemental documentation, if necessary, can be used when applying for an absentee/mail ballot.

Incomplete applications will be returned to the applicant for completion and resubmission.



vip.sos.nd.gov...

Bold is the part the OP source conveniently decides to leave out.


Ok awesome and thank you very much.

The supplemental section STILL requires a residential address:



or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address)


Is there a section of the law that states they can vote without a residential address?

So far the section of the law you quoted supports the article in the original post.

I truly appreciate linking that, I really do, but it does not say anything new and it does not support what you're saying. Read it again. Whichever way you read it, it REQUIRES a residential address, which they don't have.


Nope...that is only for the tribal govt issued ID. The very beginning states this:


If an individual’s valid form of identification does not include the North Dakota residential address or date of birth, or the North Dakota residential address is not current, the individual may supplement the identification with a current utility bill; a current bank statement; 


Yes, but that utility bill or bank statement still has to have a RESIDENTIAL address. No matter how you read that, an address is required... invalidating any other arguments.

Unless you can find a section that says a form of identification would be allowed WITHOUT a residential address.

Have you seen a section like that?



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 01:35 PM
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originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Mahogany
Native Americans are not going to vote Republican after the stunts they pulled on them. That is the sole reason for this voter suppression... you would not suppress someone who might vote for you. You suppress those who definitely won't vote for you.

The Democrats stood with the Native Americans during the protests against the oil pipelines and then Trump came in and just pooped all over them and allowed the oil interests in.

And then there was a big oil spill on the very same land they were protesting on and trying to protect.


Read the actual law....there is no suppression at all. The OP source is partisan BS and skewed to create outrage.

Every single native American that could vote before, can still vote now with the exact same ease they could before. No hoops at all.



Thanks Vasa, will you please link the section in the actual law for us, I really don't have the time to read the whole law.

I did go back and re-read the article and I still get the same information from it.


Following Democratic Sen. Heidi Heitkamp’s narrow victory in 2012, North Dakota’s Republican lawmakers passed a new law requiring voters to present an ID that lists their current residential street address. The measure plainly targeted Native Americans, many of whom live on rural reservations with no street names or residential addresses. Previously, residents could vote with a valid mailing address, allowing rural tribal voters to list their P.O. Box. Now they must provide an ID with their exact residency—something that many Native Americans don’t have and can’t get.


What does the actual law say that is different from this?

It sounds like a P.O. Box won't work and an actual residential address is needed. Are you saying the law states otherwise and specifically says PO Boxes are good to go?


Happy to:


Requirements for Identification

(NDCC § 16.1-01-04.1)

➣ Identification must include the voter’s:

Name

Current North Dakota Residential Address

Date of Birth

Acceptable Forms of Identification:

➣ Voting at the Polling Place – A Valid North Dakota:

Driver’s license

Nondriver’s identification card

Tribal government issued identification (including those issued by BIA for a tribe located in North Dakota, any other tribal agency or entity, or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address)

Long term care identification certificate (provided by North Dakota facility)

➣ Supplemental Documentation

If an individual’s valid form of identification does not include the North Dakota residential address or date of birth, or the North Dakota residential address is not current, the individual may supplement the identification with a current utility bill; a current bank statement; a check or a document issued by a federal, state, local, or tribal government (including those issued by BIA for a tribe located in North Dakota, any other tribal agency or entity, or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address); or a paycheck.


➣ Set Aside Ballot Option

If an individual is not able to show a valid form of identification but asserts qualifications as an elector, the individual may mark a ballot that will be securely set aside. When the individual provides valid identification to the proper election official prior to the meeting of the canvassing board, the set aside ballot will be presented to the canvassing board for proper inclusion in the tally.

➣ Voting Absentee or by Mail – A Valid:

Form of identification listed above

➣ Voting Absentee or by Mail – Special Circumstances – A Valid:

Passport or Military ID – Only for North Dakota residents living outside the United States who do not possess one of the other forms of identification.

Attester – An applicant living with a disability that prevents the individual from traveling away from the individual’s home to obtain an acceptable form of identification may use an attester. The attester must provide his or her name, North Dakota driver’s license, nondriver’s, or tribal identification number, and sign the absentee/mail ballot application form to attest to the applicant’s North Dakota residency and voting eligibility.

NDCC § 16.1-07-06 states:

A copy of the supplemental documentation, if necessary, can be used when applying for an absentee/mail ballot.

Incomplete applications will be returned to the applicant for completion and resubmission.



vip.sos.nd.gov...

Bold is the part the OP source conveniently decides to leave out.


Ok awesome and thank you very much.

The supplemental section STILL requires a residential address:



or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address)


Is there a section of the law that states they can vote without a residential address?

So far the section of the law you quoted supports the article in the original post.

I truly appreciate linking that, I really do, but it does not say anything new and it does not support what you're saying. Read it again. Whichever way you read it, it REQUIRES a residential address, which they don't have.


Nope...that is only for the tribal govt issued ID. The very beginning states this:


If an individual’s valid form of identification does not include the North Dakota residential address or date of birth, or the North Dakota residential address is not current, the individual may supplement the identification with a current utility bill; a current bank statement; 


Yes, but that utility bill or bank statement still has to have a RESIDENTIAL address. No matter how you read that, an address is required... invalidating any other arguments.

Unless you can find a section that says a form of identification would be allowed WITHOUT a residential address.

Have you seen a section like that?


So...tribal Indians have no electricity, utilities, paychecks, etc?

It specifically states this is in lieu of having an ID with a residential address on it. Nothing stating it the supplemental form has to have one, but let me know when somehow you can get cable or electricity or water or sometime a paycheck or a bank account, without having an address in the first place.

Either way...under the law, an address is not required.

It isnt open to your personal interpretation...it is actually a specific law so it does NOT suppress someones vote.
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posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 01:36 PM
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Here's a story on it from nbcnews.com, which notes a few things worthy of mention:

For more than a year, Tiffany Hunts Along has lived in a cherrywood mobile home high on a ridge in western North Dakota, where she knows every jagged hilltop and every flat field. But when asked last week about her street address, she was stumped.

"Hold on," said Hunts Along, 40, after reaching for her newly issued tribal identification card. "That's right — I live on Medicine Otter Loop."

...

She never bothered to learn her street's name — until now.

As you see, this implies that there are street names and addresses, but residents don't know them because their reservation-issued IDs don't cite the street address and there's no direct mail delivery. Regardless, there ARE street names and addresses

Then there's this:

To apply for new IDs, tribal citizens are digging through housing documents or calling their county or 911 services to nail down their address. When actual ones can't be determined through the local government, tribes have been creating their own as a workaround.

So, in many or most instances, street addresses already exist, and if not, they get created on the spot.

Also:

North Dakota is the only state in the nation that doesn't require residents to register before voting — long held as a point of pride in this sparsely populated prairieland.

In previous elections, voters could use a variety of documents to prove they are state residents and have a current address.

For those lacking the appropriate ID, state law even allowed poll workers to vouch for a voter's identity — which was helpful in rural communities, including on reservations, where people are more likely to know one another. Voters could also self-certify their ballot by signing an affidavit at the polling station.

I don't know about anyone else, but I make no apologies for a state legislature taking steps to fix a voting system that is obviously open to very easy ways to commit election fraud. I don't care if it's already a big problem or not, this seems like a pathetically lackadaisical approach to ensuring a quality, accurate vote result.

And now we have the SCOTUS upholding the law changes in a 6-2 ruling, saying that they are constitutional, just like the federal appeals court below them said.

This is a non-issue, except for people who put all of their eggs in one basket and failed to prepare for the very real chance that this would be the outcome. These reservations should have been proactive and not reactive, and every single person whining about how requiring proof of residency (which a P.O. box does NOT do) is either blinded by political ideology or being willfully ignorant to reality.

The only comment that needs cited is this: The Constitution requires voters to be citizens of the United States.

Registering (where you prove citizenship) and proving residency in the district in which you are attempting to vote should be no-brainers as part of the right to vote.



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 01:37 PM
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Here’s my first post......



Nice try but it doesn’t go into effect till 2020. It won’t affect this election whatsoever .



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 01:43 PM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe

You are a lost cause.

How do you not see the real issue? The issue isn't that they have options to vote, the issue is that North Dakota targeted a specific group of people for voter suppression (BTW, suppression doesn't mean all, it means some). Their reasons for doing so are non-existent (There is NO documented voter fraud at all) and yet you still believe this is a necessary law. If they are able to prevent even a small percentage away from the polls, their plan is a success.

You are viewing the world only through the glasses of partisan rhetoric.

Answer me one question and I will leave you alone on this topic. Why was this law needed? Please back it up with facts.



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 01:44 PM
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it took a few pages but I think he finally realizes that he was wrong and confused. He may still call you stupid instead of thanking you for a timely correction.

He didnt actually take advantage of the heads up and did actually make a fool of himself. Repeatedly.

Sheeple indeed. "Woke" people suck ass.



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 01:44 PM
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originally posted by: Vasa Croe
So...tribal Indians have no electricity, utilities, paychecks, etc?

It specifically states this is in lieu of having an ID with a residential address on it. Nothing stating it the supplemental form has to have one, but let me know when somehow you can get cable or electricity or water or sometime a paycheck or a bank account, without having an address in the first place.

Either way...under the law, an address is not required.

It isnt open to your personal interpretation...it is actually a specific law so it does NOT suppress someones vote.


100% right, this is not open to personal interpretation.

Can you find a section of the law that supports what you're claiming. So far, everything you've quoted supports the original article. Any way you look at it a residential address is required.

EVERYTHING you've quoted says an address is REQUIRED.

Is there more that can help your argument? Or do I have to go with the OP as there is no proof otherwise. Personal opinions aside.



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 01:46 PM
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www.cbsnews.com... it was upheald by scotus so they are the deciders of what is or is not allowed cant really appeal it higher then that

The Supreme Court ruled this week to uphold a North Dakota voter identification law which requires that voters present an ID which includes a residential address in order to vote, potentially restricting the rights of Native Americans in the state who do not have residential addresses. The law, signed by Republican Gov. Doug Burgum in 2017, had been blocked by a U.S. District Court which found it to be discriminatory towards the state's Native American population. The Eighth Circuit overturned that ruling, and the Supreme Court upheld the circuit court's decision, with only Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Elena Kagan dissenting. The two noted in their dissent that this ruling was confusing because voters who used their identification to vote in the primaries could now find that same identification insufficient, because "the injunction against requiring residential-address identification was in force during the primary election and because the secretary of state's website announced for months the ID requirements as they existed under that injunction." Native Americans living on reservations often do not have residential addresses, but have IDs which feature P.O. boxes. Native Americans are North Dakota's largest minority population, comprising over 5 percent of the state's population. This Supreme Court ruling could significantly affect the re-election chances of Democratic Sen. Heidi Heitkamp, who is trailing Republican opponent Kevin Cramer in polling. Heitkamp won her seat by just under 3,000 votes in 2012, with the help of Native American voters. If a few thousand Native American voters lack the necessary identification and are unable to vote, that could damage Heitkamp in a close race. However, it is possible to obtain a residential address before Election Day, according to a Facebook post by the organization Native Vote ND, which encourages voter participation by Native Americans in the state. Individuals can reach out to their county's 911 coordinator to begin the process of having a residential address assigned. They can then describe where their homes are located, enabling coordinators to assign addresses. The office assigning the addresses will provide letters upon request to confirm each individual's new address. The voter can use this letter to obtain a new ID, or as proof of a residential address for voting purposes.
just like with obamacare they ruled with it and we had to deal with it and there are many options as cited in the article on how to get an address, also hiddencamp has been done since the kavanaugh vote fell like a rock in polls



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 01:46 PM
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My god...... Seriously are you that dense?

This law is in effect NOW not in 2020!!!!!!!!! That is why you are entirely wrong.


With fewer than 30 days to go before the midterm elections, the Supreme Court decided yesterday to put a finger on the scales to suppress Democratic votes in North Dakota, allowing the state's voter ID law to go into effect before next month's election.


That's right, it is in effect NOW. Arguing with you is like talking to a wall.

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