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What An Awful Country To Live In.

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posted on Nov, 5 2018 @ 07:41 PM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe

I live in Ga. also and just got a political call, I didn't listen, I have a horrible sore throat, can't talk. so I just hung up.




posted on Nov, 5 2018 @ 07:48 PM
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a reply to: alldaylong

You're talking about a nation which had a POTUS candidate call his rival a hermaphrodite and, in return, his rival convinced the newspapers that the man was dead and shouldn't receive votes. These men were Thomas Jefferson and John Adams, two of this country's founders, and it happened 218 years ago.

30 years later, John Quincy Adams' media supporters tried to assault his rival for president, Andrew Jackson by not only claiming Jackson's mother had been a hooker, but that Jackson was the product of her relations with a "mulatto man" and then they doubled down by claiming Jackson's wife was an adultress.

John Quincy Adams was also a fan of reminding everyone that Alexander Hamilton was born out of wedlock and his father had been a barkeeper. He always referred to Hamilton as the "bastard brat of a scotch pedler."

Who the hell said politics was part of a civilized society? It certainly hasn't been associated with such at previous points in America's history, so why start now?



posted on Nov, 5 2018 @ 08:45 PM
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a reply to: alldaylong

You want to know what America is really like, here is the story you need to read!
When it comes down to it, this is the real us, Refugees, Small business owners, Americans, donuts and Love.


Customers Buy Out Doughnut Shop Every Day So Owner Can Be With His Sick Wife

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posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 05:22 AM
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originally posted by: DJMSN

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: DJMSN

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: DJMSN

Election campaigns In The U.K. don't turn into racists bigoted arguments.

Come over here and try it some time. You maybe surprised.







I have enjoyed the country side across the pond and found it delightful. I would never judge the entire country on the few people I met. My brother married a lovely English woman whom still has immediate family living in London proper. Of course, I might, if predisposed to bigotry like some, make rash judgements based on what I see. Here is a picture of the House of Commons.



Don't let all that diversity hurt your eyes, as it's awfully bland and lacking diversity. Of course, if I was prone to bigotry and hypocrisy like others, I might draw a conclusion based on a picture like this to say, boy what an awful country to live in as they don't allow people of color to even participate. But since i don't over generalize and make absurd statements, i wont.



That photograph is not The House Of Commons. It's in fact Westminster Hall ( Built 1097 )

www.parliament.uk...


This is The House Of Commons.



Many black and asian faces on show. If you look


It is a picture of the Members of Parliament. Part of the government. Not many from the LGBTQ community allowed to particpate if they can't get votes. And old white men wearing wings don't count. What about members of the Muslim community ? Are they represented ? Maybe we could arrange an interview with famous son Tommy Robinson ? I am sure he represents the majority opinion in the old country right , find the same picture here at the official I believe

www.parliament.uk...


To answer your questions.

Here is a list of LGBT Members Of Parliament going back to 1593

en.wikipedia.org...

As for current Members Of The U.K. Government from ethnic communities.

Home Secretary Sajid Javid MP

Minister For Local Government Rishi Sunak MP

Secretary Of State For Children And Families Nadhim Zahawi MP

Secretary Of State For Transport Nusrat Ghani MP

Minister Of State For Employment Alok Sharma MP

Minister Of State For Northern Ireland Shailesh Vara MP

Baroness Vere & Baroness Manzoor hold positions as Government Whips.

www.gov.uk...

Hope this answers your questions.



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 07:46 AM
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originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: AtlasHawk
a reply to: Propagandalf

It seems to me TPTB and MSM are trying to force America to be turned into just like UK is now politically. Where your opinions will be used to arrest you.


Probably won't happen. Unlike the UK, the American people won't concede their human rights so easily.


Patriot Act?


Yes it's a thing please tell me which human right we gave up in that ?

link for people to check out human rights. It seems the vast majority on this thread don't quite realize what that is.

Every country is guilty of violating human rights. No one is above.

If I had my choice, I would never live in the US. I couldn't imagine living in a country where fear is so prevalent.



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 08:00 AM
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a reply to: alldaylong


Five men have been arrested over footage showing a cardboard effigy of Grenfell Tower burning as people jeer and make offensive comments. The video has been widely criticized as sickening and racist.


Even though I know better, I must ask, is it an awful place to live ? After all, the action of a few shows that the majority must be one of the same, terrible racist. The ugly things these people say certainly reflect on that cess pool other there, I mean so many people died and here are good English men making fun of those people.

Certainly must be an awful place to live where stuff like this occurs. And I am so glad you took a moment to educate me about how tolerant and diverse your politicians are. Still doesn't explain the awfully white picture if your members of Parliment. And now to discover something awful like this disgusting act of blatant racism occurs.

I am a grown up however and realize that this is no more Representative of England than a group of racist making phone calls makes America an awful place to live. I suppose when you grow up that you too will realize how stupid and ignorant you sound, and how your own actions reflect very poorly on your own country.

Perhaps Tommy Robinson can help make Parliament more diverse. I bet if you ask real nice he wont deport you nor burn you at the stake. Perhaps you just miss the opportunity of free speech we still enjoy in our country and this is why you attempt to influence our elections, or perhaps you are really a Russian in disguise. Someone should report you to Bob Mueller.

m.dw.com...




Englands contribution to a diverse world I suppose. Fits the OP's bigoted world view. I would be ashamed, if I actually believed that this fool represents the people of England.

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posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: alldaylong

This may seem like a "terrible country" to some, but it is still better than any other place I have ever been.

This country beats the H*LL out of about 95% of the rest of the world and surpasses the other 5% without even trying.



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 08:49 AM
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Thats the great thing about living in the US you have the freedom to leave if you want to. Many countries do not afford this luxury to its citizens. So if you lived in the US your free to leave I hear Honduras has a lot of vacancies at the moment. Perfect example of why countries need border protection.



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 08:50 AM
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I love it when people from countries even more F#'d up than ours provide editorial commentary about how the US is such a horrible place.

That just makes my day!



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 08:52 AM
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a reply to: tinymind

Yes indeed ! And such a terrible country that so many are willing to sacrifice everything to come and live here. So many willing to March along with their children across a vast stretch of desert in order to make a better life. This thread is simply a very poor attempt with ugly bigoted views to influence an election which has nothing to do with the individual other than the attempt to spread more discord and hate throughout the world.



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 09:01 AM
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originally posted by: DJMSN
a reply to: tinymind

Yes indeed ! And such a terrible country that so many are willing to sacrifice everything to come and live here. So many willing to March along with their children across a vast stretch of desert in order to make a better life. This thread is simply a very poor attempt with ugly bigoted views to influence an election which has nothing to do with the individual other than the attempt to spread more discord and hate throughout the world.


I think it has more to do with any news coming out of the US. Sure people want to go there, but I'd happily crawl out of quicksand into a pig pen.



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 10:01 AM
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a reply to: superman2012

Pigpens are where swill and swine belong, so I wouldnt be surprised to find some individuals in both. There is indeed a fear in the US, fear of those who wish to take everything we have built together, people working together from around the world have established this work in progress. Human rights are an issue in every part of the world, it's why there is fear in every part of the world as well.

There are those who believe only their way of life is acceptable, usually some form of Socialism or Communism. They can then control everyone else and make sure that they provide for themselves and their friends while excluding everyone else, they do that with fear. So there is prevalent fear among some, but its propagated by those who wish control of both fear and power. Good luck with it.
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posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 10:52 AM
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originally posted by: DJMSN
a reply to: superman2012

Pigpens are where swill and swine belong, so I wouldnt be surprised to find some individuals in both. There is indeed a fear in the US, fear of those who wish to take everything we have built together, people working together from around the world have established this work in progress. Human rights are an issue in every part of the world, it's why there is fear in every part of the world as well.

There are those who believe only their way of life is acceptable, usually some form of Socialism or Communism. They can then control everyone else and make sure that they provide for themselves and their friends while excluding everyone else, they do that with fear. So there is prevalent fear among some, but its propagated by those who wish control of both fear and power. Good luck with it.


If you look at the statistics, it isn't refugees that anyone needs to fear. Americans killing Americans in record numbers. People living with constant fear that they NEED to have a gun on them at all times (or at least want the right to).
Isn't the USA leading the world in two categories; defense budget and the number of adults that believe in angels?

It's not for me. I prefer being the neighbour to the North. To each their own though.



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 10:54 AM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
Has The U.S. gone full retard ? This type of language and action should not be anywhere near politics in a civilised society.

Americans need to wake up, and fast.


Complains about how stupid the use of this slurs and insults are... uses the word "retard" as an insulting slur... Oh, the irony.



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 02:32 PM
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You have never heard racist remarks in The U.K. Parliament. 

If you think you have then put up or shut up.



I accept your challenge on behalf of a fellow poster.


A Conservative MP has been suspended from the party after it emerged she used a racist expression during a public discussion about Brexit.


Whoopsie Daisy...don't mind if I continue do you ? I love her excuse that it was inadvertent and completely unintentional. I bet it was, that sort of racist language is only for private and certainly not during a speech. It's okay, I stand by my belief that this incident doesn't define your whole country. Ready to take back your above statements about, what words did you use, oh that's right NEVER. Perhaps it's time to shut up ? I would never tell anyone, especially not someone I disagree with to shut up, it's such hateful language. Need I go on ? Here is the link.

www.bbc.com...

Least we forget another British hero, more lionized than any other, no one more beloved ir quotable than the champion Prime Minister, immortalized as war hero and typical British citizen Winston Churchill.


But there's another side to Churchill's politics and career that should not be forgotten amid the endless parade of eulogies.  To many outside the West, he remains a grotesque racist and a stubborn imperialist, forever on the wrong side of history.



www.washingtonpost.com... 7b7268a3bbd1

An interesting side I never knew. Perhaps he isn't who one would think of as Representative of a quaint English citizen after all ?

These are not the only examples of foot in mouth disease that I could provide. Already you provided perhaps the BEST foot in mouth example with your declaration above and your chosen topic in general. Again, I would never be as naive as others and use a broad brush to paint an entire country as racist because of a few ignorant people. I can say with the utmost confidence that you have been owned and perhaps its time for a simple retraction ?



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 02:45 PM
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a reply to: DJMSN

Do you have a problem with reading ?

This is what i posted.



You have never heard racist remarks in The U.K. Parliament.


From you article.



Anne Marie Morris, the MP for Newton Abbot, used the phrase at an event in London to describe the prospect of the UK leaving the EU without a deal


Can you see your error ? The phase was used at " An Event In London ", not in The U.K. Parliament.

Nice try.



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 03:28 PM
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She IS a member of Parliament and was even called out by the Prime Minister. Seems to be quite frequent fisticuffs on the very floor of Parliament, not something I recall ever occured in DC. My point is that racism is prevalent world wide unfortunately.

Just because some idiot says something racist doesn't make an entire country unpleasant or racist. Tommy Robinson is certainly not indicative of the average Englishman but he is quite racist. Winston was a great figure in both histories of our country but was known, and it was ignored by the press, to be a nasty racist. Doesn't mean I think less of England.

Quite the contrary, i believe it is a true bastion of freedom in the Western world. Is America perfect ? That's a laughable statement, and certainly not true. It is a true melting pot made up of EVERY nationality in the world, so people being people, there are ignorant infantile individuals who attempt to cause issues because they don't like someone.

It has never nor is racism now an accepted part of American politics, not in my lifetime anyways. America has suffered some truly awful periods, slavery, which was an accepted practice world wide, to the denial of simple civil rights to large minorities. We have come a long ways, still have many miles to go but it is a good place to live, a good place to raise a family and the opportunities available to all far outshine many places.

Some need to open their own eyes to where they are so they never repeat our own history but instead are blind to the same rancid racism which is a stain here. Just as many racist in England as there are here. I expect to see even more in the years to come since the agreements with the EU to accept more immigration, it happens in diverse populations sadly, especially free societies, so recognize it and deal with it by never accepting it. Don't committ your own brand of ignorance using words like retarded nor point fingers at others when the rabble surrounds your own backyard



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 03:36 PM
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She IS a member of Parliament and was even called out by the Prime Minister.


Yes she is. Even though the comment she made was outside of Parliament, this is how seriously racism is looked at over he. She was dealt with accordingly.



Tommy Robinson is certainly not indicative of the average Englishman but he is quite racist


Robinson is not a politician. And may he never be.




Winston was a great figure in both histories of our country but was known, and it was ignored by the press, to be a nasty racist


Churchill has been dead over 50 years. The world was different in those days, as we all well know.



posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 03:53 PM
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The same period which is often used to define racism in America, and rightly so seems to have been just as turbulent a period for England.


The ethnic minority communities were initially unpopular with the white British population of Smethwick, prompting the election of Conservative Party Member of Parliament (MP) Peter Griffiths at the 1964 general election


I will not post the speech he made as it is truly a racist rant and neither of us wishes to promote such ideas or words but you can learn more here.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Churchill is still a revered figure and often quoted, only the good things and yes it was a different time for both our countries. I already supplied a link to an incident which was very recent which reflects on the same pervasive behavior, the video of the idiots burning a homemade model of Grenfell Tower.

Here is another article describing the same behavior in English politics.

www.independent.co.uk...

Including death threats, ugly ugly words, by the same type of people who made the robot calls that inspired your racist rant of a thread against an entire country. It is not behavior limited to America nor only American politics.

Recent events in South Africa shows that racism is not limited to only one race but instead is part of humanity. Accusing one without the ability to recognize its ugly existence in ourselves is not going to fix the issue. Again a retraction from the author of this garbage should be forthcoming but I now see the only reason it was made is to continue to divide, sow discord, and polarize. In other words, a simple continuation of the very issue called out. Good job, but didn't work. I suggest you look inward before correcting.

And one final thing. The individuals responsible for the ugly phone calls are not politicians nor sponsored by any politicians sorta like your Tommy, just fools on a collision course with whatever God they worship. Just because politicians don't make racist comments during the occupation of a formal Parliament meeting doesn't mean that racism is not a part of the politics in England. Hidden agendas and hidden beliefs are even more disgusting than someone who stands and clearly annunciates who they are.

No one person or even large groups, nor politicians, largely worthless in my own view, can define a population. Perhaps someday we can overcome prejudice, and out right racism but humans being human, I seriously doubt it. I treat each person as an equal and as I hope to be treated. This is all I can do, that and call out bad behavior when I witness it. But the history of both our countries shows that we have improved as wholes but still troubled by the real minorities, racist
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posted on Nov, 6 2018 @ 04:01 PM
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that inspired your racist rant of a thread against an entire country.


Please educate me in to how you see my thread as racist ? That was not my intention.

Let me enlighten you. The reason i called your country " awful " was that in your mainstream politics, racism can be used without a blink of an eye. To me that would be an " awful " place to live for me.

Here in The U.K. politicians are at least trying to stamp out racism in society. I just don't see that happening in your country. Even your president is easy with using race as a weapon against his opponents.

Now do you understand what the meaning of my thread was about?




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