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Trump's own tweet proved to be his downfall in emoluments case and tax releases.

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posted on Nov, 5 2018 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: BlackJackal

You are not being rationale.
Do you understand how long it takes to sell a business? He has 500 of them.
It's also not illegal to own businesses and be President the last I checked - unless people's rights get removed if they are business owners these days.
What he did was acceptable according to his legal advice. You heroic activist judge will only get so far - just like the activist judges who tried to take away the President's constitutional power to deny entry to the country.

Here's an idea - why don't you stop shovelling snip for the MSM and corrupt Democrats and drop the stupid search for "gotcha's" no matter how insignificant and instead start discussing actual issues. Just a thought...


Ok, lets take this point by point.

He does not need to sale his businesses, all he needed to do to avoid this issue was to put them into a blind trust. That way while he was President no one could claim that the actions of his personal companies in any way contributed to his actions as a President. Also, a blind trust is relatively easy to enter into, all it requires is signing documentation.

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Nah, I think I'm good, it makes me happy to get under your skin to the point that you beg me to stop pointing out how corrupt your chosen president happens to be.




posted on Nov, 5 2018 @ 02:40 PM
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originally posted by: BlackJackal
If you remember several months back Trump took away the security clearance of former CIA director John Brennan. Shortly afterwards John Brennan threatened to sue the Trump Administration and Trump fired back to Brennan on Twitter with this tweet:


I hope John Brennan, the worst CIA Director in our country’s history, brings a lawsuit. It will then be very easy to get all of his records, texts, emails and documents to show not only the poor job he did, but how he was involved with the Mueller Rigged Witch Hunt. He won’t sue!


TWITTER

Fast forward to last Friday in US District Court. During a hearing in which the Trump administration was asking for a stay in the suite that alleges Trump is violating the Constitution by doing business with foreign governments because "it would be a burden and too much of a “distraction” for the president to deal with while running the country." However, the judge pointed to the tweet above as evidence the president is no t too busy to defend himself from lawsuits since he asked John Brennan to sue him.

Other arguments put forward by the Presidents legal team were that the term 'emoluments' is the subject of such:


“substantial grounds of disagreement” that payments his business received from foreign governments could not qualify. The judge did not agree: “The Court finds this a dubious proposition.”


From the point of view of Trump's attorneys this case places undue burdens on the President making it difficult for him to deal with this case and run the country:


Justice Department attorneys argued that the lawsuit should ultimately be dismissed because it was a burden for Trump, distracting from his duties as a sitting president. The department issued a statement signaling it would appeal again.

“The Department of Justice disagrees with and is disappointed by this ruling,” said spokeswoman Kelly Laco. “This case, which should have been dismissed, presents important questions that warrant immediate appellate review.”


However, it appears that the defense options available to the President in this case are very small indeed since he was counting on a longshot to get the case stalled.


In his 31-page opinion, Messitte rejected Trump’s argument that this case should be halted so it could be appealed midstream — a request typically granted in extraordinary circumstances, where an unresolved legal question makes it hard to go on.


From the point of view of the plaintiffs (DAs from Maryland and DC) they view all the legal maneuvering as ways to protect the president from discovery, which could allow attorneys access to the Presidents tax returns among other documents:


The Justice Department “is attempting to delay discovery in our case,” said Maryland Attorney General Brian E. Frosh (D), who brought the case along with D.C. Attorney General Karl A. Racine (D). “Their ultimate argument was that this the president of the United States, he’s too busy.”

But Messitte had rejected that argument earlier, and in this opinion he noted, wryly, that — instead of avoiding legal battles — Trump seems to seek them out while in the White House.

Messitte noted Trump’s threats to sue author Michael Wolff and former adviser Stephen K. Bannon, and Trump’s taunting of former CIA director John Brennan in August. After Trump revoked Brennan’s security clearance, Trump wrote on Twitter: “I hope John Brennan, the worst CIA Director in our country’s history, brings a lawsuit.”

“It bears noting that the President himself seems to have had little reluctance to pursue personal litigation despite the supposed distractions it imposes on his office,” Messitte wrote.


Ultimately, unless the DOJ is able to pull off a hailmary greater than this one, we should start seeing Trump financial information leaked within a month.

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so when the election does not go your way tomorrow will you be disappearing again?
asking for a friend...



posted on Nov, 5 2018 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal

I'll check back in on this thread in a couple years to see if anything has come up.

Very similar to Russia Russia Russia!



posted on Nov, 5 2018 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: MetalThunder

Crumbs for a brave few



posted on Nov, 5 2018 @ 02:43 PM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe

Judging by Adam Shiff, the Russian Collusion barometer, Trump's time is nigh!



posted on Nov, 5 2018 @ 02:45 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: BlackJackal
If you remember several months back Trump took away the security clearance of former CIA director John Brennan. Shortly afterwards John Brennan threatened to sue the Trump Administration and Trump fired back to Brennan on Twitter with this tweet:


I hope John Brennan, the worst CIA Director in our country’s history, brings a lawsuit. It will then be very easy to get all of his records, texts, emails and documents to show not only the poor job he did, but how he was involved with the Mueller Rigged Witch Hunt. He won’t sue!


TWITTER

Fast forward to last Friday in US District Court. During a hearing in which the Trump administration was asking for a stay in the suite that alleges Trump is violating the Constitution by doing business with foreign governments because "it would be a burden and too much of a “distraction” for the president to deal with while running the country." However, the judge pointed to the tweet above as evidence the president is no t too busy to defend himself from lawsuits since he asked John Brennan to sue him.

Other arguments put forward by the Presidents legal team were that the term 'emoluments' is the subject of such:


“substantial grounds of disagreement” that payments his business received from foreign governments could not qualify. The judge did not agree: “The Court finds this a dubious proposition.”


From the point of view of Trump's attorneys this case places undue burdens on the President making it difficult for him to deal with this case and run the country:


Justice Department attorneys argued that the lawsuit should ultimately be dismissed because it was a burden for Trump, distracting from his duties as a sitting president. The department issued a statement signaling it would appeal again.

“The Department of Justice disagrees with and is disappointed by this ruling,” said spokeswoman Kelly Laco. “This case, which should have been dismissed, presents important questions that warrant immediate appellate review.”


However, it appears that the defense options available to the President in this case are very small indeed since he was counting on a longshot to get the case stalled.


In his 31-page opinion, Messitte rejected Trump’s argument that this case should be halted so it could be appealed midstream — a request typically granted in extraordinary circumstances, where an unresolved legal question makes it hard to go on.


From the point of view of the plaintiffs (DAs from Maryland and DC) they view all the legal maneuvering as ways to protect the president from discovery, which could allow attorneys access to the Presidents tax returns among other documents:


The Justice Department “is attempting to delay discovery in our case,” said Maryland Attorney General Brian E. Frosh (D), who brought the case along with D.C. Attorney General Karl A. Racine (D). “Their ultimate argument was that this the president of the United States, he’s too busy.”

But Messitte had rejected that argument earlier, and in this opinion he noted, wryly, that — instead of avoiding legal battles — Trump seems to seek them out while in the White House.

Messitte noted Trump’s threats to sue author Michael Wolff and former adviser Stephen K. Bannon, and Trump’s taunting of former CIA director John Brennan in August. After Trump revoked Brennan’s security clearance, Trump wrote on Twitter: “I hope John Brennan, the worst CIA Director in our country’s history, brings a lawsuit.”

“It bears noting that the President himself seems to have had little reluctance to pursue personal litigation despite the supposed distractions it imposes on his office,” Messitte wrote.


Ultimately, unless the DOJ is able to pull off a hailmary greater than this one, we should start seeing Trump financial information leaked within a month.

LINK

so when the election does not go your way tomorrow will you be disappearing again?
asking for a friend...


No such luck for your morons. I will be around until the users of this site finally get back to arguing with facts instead of emotions. Until people who defend Trump blindly are mocked and ridiculed.



posted on Nov, 5 2018 @ 02:45 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal




I will be around until the users of this site finally get back to arguing with facts instead of emotions.

physician, heal thyself



posted on Nov, 5 2018 @ 02:51 PM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

I can count on one hand how many times you have brought forth a link to back up your rambling in discussions with me. Actually don't even need one hand. Because you never do, it all originates from what you think the world is like. You have bought in hard on the Trump worldview and you choose not to question it at all.

This place has become an echo chamber where you are your buddies just regurgitate what you hear from the right wing media and assume it is the gospel truth without ever doing your own research. You are literally being blindly led. So much so, that even when presented with facts contrary to the Trump world-view you ignore it.



posted on Nov, 5 2018 @ 02:59 PM
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originally posted by: BlackJackal
a reply to: shooterbrody

I can count on one hand how many times you have brought forth a link to back up your rambling in discussions with me. Actually don't even need one hand. Because you never do, it all originates from what you think the world is like. You have bought in hard on the Trump worldview and you choose not to question it at all.

This place has become an echo chamber where you are your buddies just regurgitate what you hear from the right wing media and assume it is the gospel truth without ever doing your own research. You are literally being blindly led. So much so, that even when presented with facts contrary to the Trump world-view you ignore it.



LOL...its like you are just using the argument the GOP used against Hillary and the Dems months/years ago.

It is quite humorous when you say Republicans are the ones that argue with their emotions.

Is this opposite day?



posted on Nov, 5 2018 @ 03:11 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal



I can count on one hand how many times you have brought forth a link to back up your rambling in discussions with me.

no need in this instance, as is the case in most of your anti-trump rants recently
from your op


“The Department of Justice disagrees with and is disappointed by this ruling,” said spokeswoman Kelly Laco. “This case, which should have been dismissed, presents important questions that warrant immediate appellate review.”

gee the doj doesn't know what they are doing?



posted on Nov, 5 2018 @ 03:15 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal
On the same topic,
from another source


Lawsuit says Trump's ownership of hotels violates the constitution

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Government lawyer Brett Shumate argued for a precise definition of the emoluments clause, saying that because an emolument includes the exchange of payment for an official act, Trump’s business income couldn’t qualify as such a payment.

Daniels repeatedly questioned him on that point and others, proposing that if the president promises to take an official act in exchange for money – by signing a treaty, for example – the money transferred is an emolument whether or not the president ever follows through on the action.

The framers of the constitution did not just want the president not to take money from foreign governments, “they wanted him to not take the promise of the money”, he said.

... snip ...

The clause at issue allows for that, saying no US official can “accept any present, emolument, office, or title of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state” without the consent of Congress


Can Trump disprove that he curries favor,
financially or otherwise,
by hosting dignataries at his own "estates" ?

He should at least release an income statement,
just to keep the record straight, right !



posted on Nov, 5 2018 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal

You are factually mistaken.

He "wished" Brennan would try to bring a law suit because he'd lose and be subject to discovery. He never directed Brennan to sue him. He simply mocked Brennan's trademark cowardice and spineless idle threats (which he still never followed up on, wonder why?)

I already know why. Security clearances don't exist without the President as far as the Executive branch is concerned (DOE might be slightly different, I'm unsure). The President has unilateral authority to informally declassify/classify material on a whim, and can deny/grant security clearance to any individual he chooses.

He could revoke Brennan's clearance because he simply didn't like the way Brennan's hair looked. Having a clearance is a privilege not a right, and a privilege can be denied or revoked for any reason. He was merely musing that if Brennan did in fact stupidly try to take his lack of understanding before a judge/jury, that he'd be laughed out of the court room on lack of standing.

Furthermore, the assertions President Trump made are also true. It would require disclosure of material during discovery that would be very, very bad for Brennan. But that is a far cry from directing him to file a lawsuit. Merely "wishing" for something is very ambiguous, and the judge in this case is clearly an activist that is intentionally abusing the justice system.

I wouldn't expect anything more from those low life, dirty, treason weasels, though. Regardless, the President is the only official exempt from Conflicts of interest and emoluments. Nice try though. Any other government official, however, is fair game. www.pbs.org...

But hey, I could be wrong. If so, maybe the President will end up being fined after his term/second term is over - since he's virtually untouchable sans impeachment/conviction. Nothing is more important than the elected/installed POTUS being able to exercise their duty and Constitutional authority on a moments notice. Can't have petty legal challenges from bitter old cows like Barbara Underbite wasting his precious time. She can take her self esteem issues out on someone else somewhere else

edit on 11/5/2018 by JBurns because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 5 2018 @ 04:22 PM
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a reply to: Cassi3l

He doesn't need to disprove anything.

Those accusing him are required to meet the burden of proof

Fortunately, this activist judge's overstepping will hopefully be corrected by the Supreme Court.



posted on Nov, 5 2018 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: Gothmog
Just another Liberal Loon wet dream fantasy....


How many is that already this week?



posted on Nov, 5 2018 @ 04:45 PM
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Just another Liberal Loon wet dream fantasy....


This is the kind of posting that make ATS great.



posted on Nov, 5 2018 @ 04:56 PM
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originally posted by: MteWamp

originally posted by: Gothmog
Just another Liberal Loon wet dream fantasy....


How many is that already this week?

I lost count
Lets ask Mr. Owl



posted on Nov, 5 2018 @ 04:59 PM
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dbl

edit on 5-11-2018 by Cassi3l because: s'them posting yips ...



posted on Nov, 5 2018 @ 05:08 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Cassi3l

He doesn't need to disprove anything.

Those accusing him are required to meet the burden of proof

Fortunately, this activist judge's overstepping will hopefully be corrected by the Supreme Court.


Is it that difficult to believe that a local Trump Towers' outket
would not charge better rates for visiting dignatories
compared to their "official residences" ?

you prove it ! Noohhn you un-prove it !!!!! .. y'see where that one goes

Why Mara-Loco and not Camp David ..?..



posted on Nov, 5 2018 @ 07:03 PM
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originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: MteWamp

originally posted by: Gothmog
Just another Liberal Loon wet dream fantasy....


How many is that already this week?

I lost count
Lets ask Mr. Owl


Who?
Or is it "Hoooo"?



posted on Nov, 5 2018 @ 07:25 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: BlackJackal

You know, you could just type "Trump BAd bAD Rrreeee", copy it, paste it in a document then type in a title and control-V your actual content.

It would save us all a lot of time... for instance, that way I don't have to scroll down very far to get a giggle at the replies.

Control-V... all the cool alt-left kids do tt now!



Funny, last I checked you could "Right" click to copy paste without even touching the keyboard. Thought that's why I was seeing so much trash on the forums latelty.




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