Martin Bormmann and his deal.

Some very interesting stuff seems to be emerging about the advanced state of the Nazi atomic Bomb program. Which would make good reasons for the fact that Bormann turned up in Argentina, and was able to organise high ranking Nazi officials to make their escape. The Israeli Nazi hunters were quite willing to pick up Eichmann but when told about Bormann they said they were not interested.
After Hess parachuted into Scotland Bormann was the second in command of the third Reich, he was the one who controlled what signals left Hitler's bunker during the last days of the third Reich, The one thing the West needed was more enriched Uranium, for the atomic bomb, it looks like Bormann might have done a deal, and sent a Submarine full of "Yellow cake" which enabled the production of weapons grade Uranium at Los Alamos to double in no time at all.
Acordingly

Einstien would have known very well the state of play with regards to the German, state of atomic bomb development , and conveyed his misgivings fairly early one, which the President took on board. So it looks like some deals went on which the public were not aware of, I wonder if Bormann traded for the real Hitler, along with other German advanced tech?

a reply to: anonentity

I would like to know what the "Die Glocke"/Nazi bell was all about?

Seems to me that's the really interesting technology that they were working on toward the end of the war.

a reply to: anonentity


Are you getting Bormann confused with Mengele who was actually in South America? Martin Bormann's remains were conclusively proven by DNA in the 90's to be his and were found in Berlin.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


No it was very handy that Bormann's remains were found, as at that time he would have lived out his natural time span, and it would have put the whole matter of where the looted Nazi gold ended up, since he handled all the accounts and set up many overseas companies. The whole of the Nazi tech was moved to America , and they even used the German secret sevice who just changed uniforms and worked for the CIA.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: anonentity


Are you getting Bormann confused with Mengele who was actually in South America? Martin Bormann's remains were conclusively proven by DNA in the 90's to be his and were found in Berlin.

They were allegedly moved there after he was exhumed in Argentina. Pretty sure the soil analysis from the red dirt on his corpse proved that.

Could be wrong

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: anonentity

I would like to know what the "Die Glocke"/Nazi bell was all about?

Seems to me that's the really interesting technology that they were working on toward the end of the war.

You need to read The Hunt For Zero Point by Nick Cook a former Janes Aviation journalist turned investigative author.
Here is a free full PDF of his book.
vielewelten.at...

It goes over the Bell and a few other contraption's but is ostensibly about the idea that they may already have developed power sources and propulsion technology's far ahead of what we are using today but are sitting on them for some reason.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
www.ufoinsight.com...
www.metimeforthemind.com...

a reply to: LABTECH767



I'm watching this right now.

Cheers for the info though.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Were high profile villain's like this guy are concerned there will always be conspiracy theory's and just like Hitler's own bone's (Or fragment of them the soviets supposedly tested) there will always be those whom do not believe some evidence often due to other evidence and contradictory account's.
When so many of these creep's went to ground often with the help of the US and operation paperclip after the war it is perhaps only right that we don't let them rest, after all he whom forget's the lesson's of the past is doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past (Already happening in much of the former soviet territory and in the migration crisis west as ultra right wingers are now unfortunately becoming popular with the inevitable outcome of were that will eventually lead).

I was waiting for the "Bormann was an alien" punchline.

Anyway, his remains in Berlin were confirmed as his on not one but two occasions, the latter via DNA analysis.

So I think Augustus is correct that the OP is confusing Bormann for perhaps Mengele.

a reply to: andy06shake

Note the similarity's to account's of the Vimana from the 'channeled' Vamanika Shastra book.
archive.org...

I have my own idea's about were the NAZI's may have gotten exotic technology's from but I do not believe they created them rather they reverse engineered them (though the implosion technology was genuinely a domestic invention/re-invention), they may have found at least one damaged crashed ufo while building (Excavating and searching) there Nuremberg stadia
(some idiot's claim this battle witnessed by the citizens' of Nuremberg was everything from firework's to atmospheric phenomena and claim it has been explained, it has not)
altereddimensions.net...
This is the independent newspaper a UK tabloid but it has an interesting article talking about the problem Germany has with some of the NAZI legacy at Nuremberg, remember to build all of that they had to dig it up first and the black sun and vrill society's which were incorporated into the Ahnenerb were definitely aware of the ufo battle account's so as well as sending people around the world searching for lost technology (which they did) they would definitely also have been very intrigued by this and WOULD have searched Nuremberg for remain's from the battle and they would have been spurred on the wood carving image which depict's what look's to be several crash sites outside the city with smoke billowing up from them.
www.independent.co.uk...

originally posted by: anonentity
Some very interesting stuff seems to be emerging about the advanced state of the Nazi atomic Bomb program.

Dude, so much wrong even for Nazi revisionist history.

First off, the Nazi bomb project never got past heavy water manufacturing. They never even had a working pile and decided that the atom bomb was not feasible and scrapped the project in 1942.

Which would make good reasons for the fact that Bormann turned up in Argentina, and was able to organise high ranking Nazi officials to make their escape.

Except Borman was never in South America. As mentioned above, Martin Bormann died in the streets of Berlin in May of 1945. His remains have been positively identified. There is a clear timeline now regarding the whereabouts of his remains through the years.

No mention of Argentina.

The Israeli Nazi hunters were quite willing to pick up Eichmann but when told about Bormann they said they were not interested.

Borman was convicted in absentia of crimes against humanity and sentenced to death by hanging during the Nuremberg trials.

So the Mossad were willing to piss off half the world to clandestinely abduct and extradite an SS lackey ( Eichmann ) but decided they would "pass" on Adolf Hitler's personal secretary who already had a death sentence imposed?

Seriously?

After Hess parachuted into Scotland Bormann was the second in command of the third Reich, he was the one who controlled what signals left Hitler's bunker during the last days of the third Reich,

Hermann Goering was Adolf Hitler's named successor, Rudolf Hess was next in line. Martin Bormann was never in line to lead Nazi Germany. When Hitler suicided Karl Doenitz was his named successor ( after Hitler having decreed Goering was to be stripped of command and shot )

Borman was a secretary....

The one thing the West needed was more enriched Uranium, for the atomic bomb,

Nazi Uranium Oxide was used in the little boy bomb.

Winner winner chicken dinner, you got one right.

it looks like Bormann might have done a deal, and sent a Submarine full of "Yellow cake"

In its death throes, Germany attempted to ship about 500 kilos as part of a transfer of technology to imperial Japan aboard the unterseeboot U-234.

The sub surrendered to the allies when Doenitz gave the order for German military forces to stand down, the Japanese liazon onboard committed suicide in their bunks.

Martin Bormann was not involved.

which enabled the production of weapons grade Uranium at Los Alamos to double in no time at all.

Uranium enrichment was conducted primarily at Oak Ridge, Tennessee. Plutonium came from Hanford the Trinity test and Fat Man bombs came from Hanford Wa.

Los Alamos was where the bombs were designed and fabricated.

Details, details..

Acordingly

I'll pass on the video but the Ta 183 shown was not exactly a world beater. By the way, the designer of the Ta 183 was Kurt Tank, not Martin Bormann....

Einstien would have known very well the state of play with regards to the German, state of atomic bomb development , and conveyed his misgivings fairly early one, which the President took on board.

Einstein got talked into signing a ghost written letter to FDR in 1939 stating that a fission weapon was technically possible and the Germans had demonstrated nuclear fission. He then washed his hands of the mess.

That's all anybody knew and while Uncle Albert certainly made his contribution in theory, he didn't know anything more about the state of the Nazi nuclear program than anybody else. It was a lot of supposition and it was wrong.

So it looks like some deals went on which the public were not aware of, I wonder if Bormann traded for the real Hitler, along with other German advanced tech?

Why would the allies trade Martin Bormann for anything? The Western allies were a victorious occupying army and they just took anything that interested them, Soviet and Western powers alike.

The real Hitler?

Honest man, if you are interested in that time period there are tens of thousand of definitive, accurate works in print on the war.

You are rotting your brain with the revisionist dribble and inadvertently supporting the modern neo nazi culture.

Do some research on where this garbage comes from, you will be surprised what you find. ( or not if you are a supporter of "the cause" yourself )

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

....and they even used the German secret service who just changed uniforms and worked for the CIA.

Source please, and please do better than cite Operation Paperclip or Operation Lusty.

TY in advance

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: anonentity

I would like to know what the "Die Glocke"/Nazi bell was all about?

Seems to me that's the really interesting technology that they were working on toward the end of the war.

Here, i'll save you the effort.

It's not real and a modern fabrication.

Unquestionably.

Anybody mention red mercury yet?

Discussion of Die Glocke originated in the works of Igor Witkowski. His 2000 Polish language book Prawda o Wunderwaffe (The Truth About The Wonder Weapon, reprinted in German as Die Wahrheit über die Wunderwaffe), refers to it as "The Nazi-Bell".

Witkowski wrote that he first discovered the existence of Die Glocke by reading transcripts from an interrogation of former Nazi SS Officer Jakob Sporrenberg.

According to Witkowski, he was shown the allegedly classified transcripts in August 1997 by an unnamed Polish intelligence contact who said he had access to Polish government documents regarding Nazi secret weapons.

Witkowski maintains that he was only allowed to transcribe the documents and was not allowed to make any copies. Although no evidence of the veracity of Witkowski’s statements has been produced, they reached a wider audience when they were retold by British author Nick Cook, who added his own views to Witkowski’s statements in The Hunt for Zero Point.

Author Jason Colavito wrote that Witkowski's claims were "recycled" from 1960s rumors of Nazi occult science first published in Morning of the Magicians, and describes Die Glocke as "a device few outside of fringe culture think actually existed.

In short, it looks to be a hoax, or at least a wild exaggeration."

Die Glocke

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a reply to: Drunkenparrot

How I wish that was true, in fact officially WE the British were about two years ahead of the NAZI program and we then sent our material's and experts to the US were with the help of US scientists such as Oppenheimer the program was completed with Oppenheimer then being - some would say wrongly - credited with the completion of the program and so earning the nickname of father of the atomic bomb despite the majority of the research and progress having already been completed both here in the UK and there in the US by British scientists.

But before you write off just how close the Nazi's were you need to read this.
news.bbc.co.uk...
pictureshistory.blogspot.com...

Read the comment's under this video on the youtube site.

www.youtube.com...



Personally I don't believe they did BUT it is worth digging more.

a reply to: Drunkenparrot

Here is the PDF for morning of the magician's English language version.
www.scribd.com...
www.pdfsdownload.com...
Be warned though it is more the kind of material a fan of Gnosticism and perhaps masonry would enjoy than a viable work in my opinion.

But not to beat around the bush too much, what you call fiction may very well be fact your opinion not withstanding.
en.wikipedia.org...

Oh and as for Red Mercury, real or not?.
www.newscientist.com...

Now as far as I know the supposed substance has nothing to do with nuclear bomb's (but what it is an isotopic compound of some kind - hmm I wonder the name Red Mercury which originated in the soviet union may simply be a code name for a RED Project of some kind with the rest just mixed up into it the way urban legend's grow or it could be very real?), rather they are composed of an unstable isotope of enriched Plutonium which either has a cylindrical hole leading to it's core and a slightly more unstable isotope is then used as a plug in this hole, the assemble is held in a vacuum to reduce resistance and ensure clean contact at the atomic level and a very high explosive is used to ram the plug into the core of the unstable element's which in theory can if done correctly cause at least some atom's to collide triggering a cascade fission event (probably with external shaped charges as well to compress the sphere at the same time as the plug makes contact).
The other version is a solid ball usually encased in another material such as barium and surrounded by timed shaped charged all set to detonate simultaneously so compressing the solid sphere of unstable material and triggering a collision between unstable atom's that way with the same result - cascade fission event as the subatomic particles from the first few split atom's race out and impact other unstable atom's splitting them in turn releasing yet more high energy sub atomic particles.

Why is this post in the Aliens & UFO forum?

originally posted by: anonentity
No it was very handy that Bormann's remains were found...

How handy was it that they were found underground by workmen in pretty much the same spot that one of the people fleeing the Fuhrer Bunker with him said they would be?

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
They were allegedly moved there after he was exhumed in Argentina. Pretty sure the soil analysis from the red dirt on his corpse proved that.

Could be wrong

See above.

It would be a neat trick to move them underground so some workmen could find them while doing construction.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
Were high profile villain's like this guy are concerned there will always be conspiracy theory's...

And just like all conspiracy theories they are low on facts and high on speculation.

a reply to: Drunkenparrot

It was more a fashion of rhetorical question just to enter the bell into the discussion.

All manner of speculation as to the real purpose of Die Glocke ranging from a time machine to magnetohydrodynamic power generator.

As to "Red Mercury" my understanding is that its a hoax or even a trap designed to capture or monitor terrorists intent on purchasing WMD.