Cerns true goal

a reply to: 00018GE

The short answer is , it's turned into heat.

Okay, now I know a 2,000 watt bar heater is mighty hot. If we translate all that energy into just a bar heater, that is a lot of "hot".

My computer CPU uses only a few volts and milli(?)watts and it needs a heatsink.

I have read that the speed of light slows down just when passing through glass.

a reply to: AthlonSavage

How could a particle accelerator in anyway open a portal to hell?

CERN smashes together particles at near superluminal speed and collects data on the results, nothing more, nothing less.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

That sounds awfully familiar : )

The protectors of CERN regularly use a very distracting arguement to dismiss conCERNs about CERN.

That is really suspicious in itself because it very conveniently puts aside trillions of watts of energy, magnetic fields electro magnetism and other things.

"We won't talk about that".

It is the arguement and the ridicule that speaks loudest of something hidden behind the "science".

Now what is hidden behind the distraction?

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

"Now what is hidden behind the distraction?"

Well if they ever devise a viable means of producing and storing the likes of antimatter in sufficient quantities i don't imagine they would wish the process involved to get out in the open.

Guess that would be one possible scenario behind the distraction.

But that's just pretty much the premise of the movie "Angels & Demons". LoL

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Or even water.

a reply to: andy06shake

How could a particle accelerator in anyway open a portal to hell?

Good question, of course it won't open a door to hell. You'll find the hells are below churches. The Underworlds are below the hells. I go there often. The Underworlds not the hells.

So let's scratch those two places of our list of conCERNs. Shiva is not conCERNed with those places either by the way.

So where then? The other side of matter, the other side of light. Asktheanimals reminded me of something important. Thanks Asktheanimals.

I have read that the speed of light slows down just when passing through glass.

Now I am no mathematical whizz, so don't expect algebra.

It is said that CERN is about accelerating and decelerating sub atomic particles. We know photons decelerate when they pass through glass. The prism effect. Blue light is very different from red light.

I'll use an analogy.Geometry, which ties in with sacred geometry, pyramids and a lot of other things science is yet to understand.

Let's begin with a circle, that is 360 degrees.

Let's say a photon has a value of 72 degrees.

360 minus 72 equals 288 degrees. (think harmonics)

So when a photon is created there are two aspects to consider. The 72 degrees and it's resulting harmonic of 288 degrees.

The slice of pie analogy. When we cut a slice of pie we actually created two slices, not one. Harmonics.

So one can say that there is a lot more to a photon then just a particle.

So we have the 360, a photon is created and suddenly we have the 72 and the 288.

It is not hard to understand that the photon is not actually created per se. But moves between two states, only one of which we are familiar with.

Now extrapolate that to all matter, also consider that there are very complex patterns of geometry involved with just a simple atom. Harmonics!

So when a photon is not "here", where is it?

A photon can have the value of 72, it can also shift to 288.

It is not hell nor underworld that the photon shifts between. That other world has more to do with the stories about the Philadelphia experiment way of thinking then hell.

If we learn to speed up and slow down matter, we are also learning to change the geometry and harmonics of matter.

In that other world, the sun looks like an empty sphere of nothingness. And when you look into it you can see where the sun was yesterday and the day before and so on. The closest thing to a wormhole through time you'll ever find.

Sorry for waffling on, but something about CERN got me all exploring.

originally posted by: WhateverYouSay
a reply to: Gothmog

Yes but it's doing that for just a few particles as opposed to the x*10^26 or whatever a mosquito would be

As stated , that is basically the limit.
Your point was ?

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

It's an important piece of technology that helps us understand the universe, physics, and may possibly allow us to understand the very fabric of reality or at least the glue that holds it togeteher.

a reply to: andy06shake

Yeah, and could be anything. Scientific knowledge is largely funded by military and corporative interests it is said. Research is often compartmentalised too.

Take into account "quantum" highjinx and it is very worrying, especially if there are Oppenheimers involved wanting to wield the peers of the Destroyer; Shiva himself.

If I remember correctly, it was CERN itself that came up with the big slight of hand, the hide the pea under the shell game of "mosquitoes flapping their wings". Sounds so disarming.

a reply to: andy06shake

It's an important piece of technology that helps us understand the universe, physics, and may possibly allow us to understand the very fabric of reality or at least the glue that holds it togeteher.

I'm well aware of the wonders of the knowledge, I am also aware of who Alister Crowley opened up.

It is not the first time that technology like CERN has been created.

They should ask themselves: "Should we?"

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Humans don't invent tools they don't use.

It generally stands that if we can do a thing, we will do that thing.

The Law of Thelema pretty much presiding I'm afraid.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: WhateverYouSay
a reply to: Gothmog

Yes but it's doing that for just a few particles as opposed to the x*10^26 or whatever a mosquito would be

As stated , that is basically the limit.
Your point was ?

That because it's concentrated, it's different than claiming it's just like a mosquito. Mosquitos don't take particles and smash them into their elementary constituents with a flap of the wing.

I'm not saying that demons are going to come rushing out of a mini black hole created for .000000001 seconds, I'm just saying it's not that accurate to equate it to a mosquito.

I think it likely involves torsion fields and what ancient metaphysics says lies through daath, the nightside of eden

a reply to: primalfractal

Torsion fields? Are those not a rather pseudoscientific proposal?

originally posted by: WhateverYouSay

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: WhateverYouSay
a reply to: Gothmog

Yes but it's doing that for just a few particles as opposed to the x*10^26 or whatever a mosquito would be

As stated , that is basically the limit.
Your point was ?

That because it's concentrated, it's different than claiming it's just like a mosquito. Mosquitos don't take particles and smash them into their elementary constituents with a flap of the wing.

I'm not saying that demons are going to come rushing out of a mini black hole created for .000000001 seconds, I'm just saying it's not that accurate to equate it to a mosquito.

Yet , 16 mosquitoes in flight produce the sme amount of energy .
Concentrated ?
Please explain how the term concentrated applies
Informed minds need to know.

a reply to: andy06shake

I don't think Nikolai Kozyrev, who proposed the theory, was considered a pseudoscientist by his peers.

Kozyrev was a bold thinker and was respected by prominent scientists of his time (Arkady Kuzmin, Vasily Moroz, and Iosef Shklovsky all speak highly of him)

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An esoteric explanation of "Universe B".

The first of these is a specialised discussion of the Tree of Life based on the Class A book, Liber CCXXXI. Grant’s premise (partly derived from Fr. Achad’s "Formula of Reversal") is that there are two sides to the Tree: the normal "Dayside" which is familiar to all Magicians in the Golden Dawn / A... A... Tradition, and the "Nightside," or "back" of the Tree, which is the source of the Qlippoth. The Qlippoth are normally said to form an upside-down Tree depending from Malkuth and are to be avoided at all costs.

 

Grant, however, considers them to be a dark "mirror image" in Universe B, a "non-existent" reality underlying our normal Universe A. Here, instead of the Paths, we find the strangely looping "Tunnels of Set" winding their way through the "dream-cells" of the collective unconscious. This realm consists not of "evil spirits," but of the most ancient atavisms that may be accessed by the intrepid Magicians in quest of knowledge and power

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And a caveat, Clarke's third law "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. "

a reply to: andy06shake

I have never heard of Thelema before so I had a quick look.

It generally stands that if we can do a thing, we will do that thing.

The Law of Thelema pretty much presiding I'm afraid.

Human nature . . . .

Yet that is just a lack of self discipline, we can choose not to do something.

Another consideration is the notion of "karma". Does Karma exist outside of Buddhism and Hinduism?

Hassan bin Sabbah; the tenth century worlord often called The Old Man Of The Mountain had a saying that was central to his philosophy and that of the Hashishim (Assassins).

Nothing is Forbidden, Everything is Permitted' -source: The Old Man Of The Mountain

From observation, it seems to me that Hassan bin Sabbah is correct in the universal sense and karma is not universal.

Edit.

A "black hole" is a murdered star in my language. An manufactured black hole I call a dark star.

So when CERN accomplishes making a black hole, they then just have to learn how to sustain and feed it.

Unfortunately, humans don't live for long and the question of responsibility for the creation becomes paramount. The same with bio-engineering, who takes responsibility for those critters future, and I mean long term future. Think in terms of reincarnation and life times.

a reply to: primalfractal

I have a little knowledge of the two trees from crossing paths with kabalists.

Universe B is probably what I referred to in the "slice of pie analogy", the 72/288 if the photon. Incidentally while I think of it, complexity is built using a string model for the 360 degree circle. Put a twist in the circle to make a figure eight with 720 degrees. One can make as many twists as one wants.

Twisted String Theory (pokes tongue at science)

Mind you, the tree of life is just a framework and not all inclusive, just a map of where the kabalists have been, so too the dark tree, the Quilthoth.

The dark tree/universe B/ the 288 of the photon is navigable. While "the Crow" opened a door and met on of the folks who live there, it is not evil per se. Perhaps a fear tactic to keep people from looking there.