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Best Approach IMO - Expand Medicare then Repeal Obamacare.

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posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 09:37 PM
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originally posted by: loam
a reply to: carewemust
Name a single consumer good or service, other than healthcare, where you do not know the price until after you consume it?
Half of all healthcare is planned.

How many consumer goods or services are you unable to choose yourself, because you're too sick or injured to make the decision?

The 50% who plan their care should be able to shop for the best price. That makes perfect real-world sense. To be honest, there's nothing stopping physicians forming a nationwide association and putting together a price-comparison website right now. If they wanted to, they'd do it.




posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 09:40 PM
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a reply to: villagesmithie

Same guy who's paying $850 a month for a $7,900 deductible now that most doctors won't take, paid $300 @ month for a $1,500 deductible that 90% of Illinois doctors accepted in 2012....before Obamacare made free-market plans illegal.

Not hypothetical. Real scenario/history of a client of our company named Kevin, who resides in Elgin, Illinois.



posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 09:40 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

M'kay. Right. Healthcare providers will willingly, without compulsion, publish the prices they've charged consumers.



posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 09:54 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

The question is, Where do the cost come from.

I'm diabetic, under my insurance the cost of three months of insulin was around $1700.

I now by the same insulin, 2 vials a month for $25 each. $150 for three months. Where did the other $1500 go?



posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 10:04 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: olaru12

Medicare pays 20%-30% less for medical services than individuals or private insurance pays. A full 81% of seniors are happy with their Medicare insurance.


Those geezers knew they would get old and sick; they should have made provisions for their healthcare instead of taking it out of my pocket in the form of taxes.


Have a heart! Besides, the vast majority of "geezers" on Medicare paid into the Medicare general fund for several decades.


No, it's the stinking old illegals sucking the life blood out of this country. Letem die!!!



posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 10:04 PM
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no!!!
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posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
As long as the insurance companies are making obscene profits along with the for profit healthcare system, pharma, nothing will change. It's just business and we don't want single payer socialist BS now do we? Capitalism all the way...no surrender!!!

Medicare is socialism pure and simple. Let those old geezers die!

The lobbyist know how to take care of business.

But , what is your opinion on the OP ?



posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 10:08 PM
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originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: olaru12
As long as the insurance companies are making obscene profits along with the for profit healthcare system, pharma, nothing will change. It's just business and we don't want single payer socialist BS now do we? Capitalism all the way...no surrender!!!

Medicare is socialism pure and simple. Let those old geezers die!

The lobbyist know how to take care of business.

But , what is your opinion on the OP ?


It's all been sarcasm up till now. We the taxpayers should have the same health care as the Senate and House dwellers. Why do they get preferential treatment...they don't do anything to deserve it.

Taxpayers deserve the same care and the Native Americans. Most of us were born here as well. Thank God for the VA...!!!
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posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 10:08 PM
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originally posted by: villagesmithie
a reply to: carewemust

The question is, Where do the cost come from.

I'm diabetic, under my insurance the cost of three months of insulin was around $1700.

I now by the same insulin, 2 vials a month for $25 each. $150 for three months. Where did the other $1500 go?


You can get insulin much cheaper
I get my Lantus direct and delivered to the pharmacy
Google and look around
Ask a pharmacist



posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 10:11 PM
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On topic
The rates are high now as the Feds have failed to deliver on their reimbursement program
Companies that offer insurance shop for the cheapest Obamacare providers and plan
One can usually do better opening a plan with the insurance providers themselves
I did. With UHC


(post by GrayClues removed for a serious terms and conditions violation)

posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 10:14 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
I suppose this would be the best we can do at this point since Democrats already screwed up healthcare so bad it is unlikely we could put it back the way it was, but it still makes me sick to have Government involved with our healthcare.

Ideally we would reverse all the damage and return healthcare to pre-Obama status where most people were happy.


I realize Obama care sucked for a lot of people, but Healthcare before Obama care was really, really bad. Obama campaigned and one twice on Healthcare reform. People want a better healthcare system. They need it.



posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 10:17 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

Why would someone want to bankrupt Medicare sooner than it already is going to go bust?
It's bad enough that Medicare was already expanded to include some people under the age of 65.

I'm betting people who are just getting onto Medicare, and those who have been on it for years, in no way want their insurance ruined by tying the un-ACA around their necks.
I'm betting they are ever so grateful to not have those $7000.00 deductibles anymore.

Get the whole un-ACA on Medicare and the greed will expand to ruin Medicare.



posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 10:21 PM
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a reply to: Gothmog

I'm doing fine I didn't even meet my out of pocket expenses for the year. The point is not how to get your own meds cheaper. The point is that insurance companies, pharmacy companies, hospitals, are all taking profits when they can, driving up costs for all of us.

If we want to control costs that is where we need to look.



posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 10:24 PM
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a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

No doubt.




posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 10:33 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: carewemust

Federalize state insurance competition and mandate healthcare providers publish three month rolling rates of what they charged consumers for itemized expenses.

Problem solved.


Publishing rates charged won't help lower costs. I laugh every time I hear Republicans tout that idea.

1.) Medical providers will always charge close to the same price...like gas stations do.

2.) When people get sick or injured, they wouldn't shop around anyway. After that bad car accident, you're not going to tell the Helicopter or Ambulance to leave you there, because they charge too much. And, do you really want a "cheap" doctor doing your open-heart surgery?


That is what catastrophic coverage is for... emergencies and that is how insurance is supposed to work.

However, for basic needs and preventative care, doctors should be posting prices like any other service. I recently went for a physical. I have no idea what the doc charges. The reality is that services like physicals and routine healthcare should be priced in the open market and paid for out of pocket by consumers, not insurance. This is the only way to get costs down. The person buying the product has to be responsible for paying for it otherwise there is no incentive to shop.



posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 10:54 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

And a large portion of Americans like to pretend there isn't anything wrong with their healthcare system. I mean seriously going by your examples that is just ridiculous. I mean what kind of country has all the rights that you Americans get, one of the very last places where real REAL freedom of speech exists, where you have the right to guns, the right to self preservation and all the others and yet you don't have a right to not be screwed over by a system that is so corrupt that it is pretty much a bet on you living and either you pay and stay healthy in which you lose or you get sick and have to still pay and then possibly die and you still lose.

I'm not saying the NHS is perfect but I'd prefer that than your for profit system. I know Americans will defend it and pretend I mean point to American backed research companies that claim it is the best of the best but still please tell me the number of Americans against this sort of system is rising.



posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 10:58 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated
Non-wealthy people with higher deductible plans, do shop around. Especially if they need a test. For example the price for a CT-Scan in my area ranges from $450 to $7,000.



posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 11:03 PM
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originally posted by: villagesmithie
a reply to: carewemust
The question is, Where do the cost come from.
I'm diabetic, under my insurance the cost of three months of insulin was around $1700.
I now by the same insulin, 2 vials a month for $25 each. $150 for three months. Where did the other $1500 go?


Insurance companies are like a golden-goose to medical providers, device manufacturers, and drug companies.
edit on 11/1/2018 by carewemust because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 11:05 PM
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originally posted by: villagesmithie
a reply to: Gothmog

I'm doing fine I didn't even meet my out of pocket expenses for the year. The point is not how to get your own meds cheaper. The point is that insurance companies, pharmacy companies, hospitals, are all taking profits when they can, driving up costs for all of us.

If we want to control costs that is where we need to look.

Bought a gallon of milk lately ?
A steak ?
A gallon of gasoline ?







 
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