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Deadly Force Authorized-On US Southern Border for Migrants Behaving badly Straight from the Top!

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posted on Nov, 3 2018 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: JBurns

The Coast Guard is not subject to the PCA despite some wishing it.




posted on Nov, 3 2018 @ 12:04 PM
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The PCA really doesn't matter in this case. The caravan is composed of foreign nationals on foreign soil. Things don't suddenly become "domestic" when someone crosses an imaginary line. The US is not second base, and we're not talking baseball.

Also, the caravan at this point in time, with the Border Patrol already stating they are overwhelmed, falls under an exception to the PCA. Trump is will within his authority here.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 3 2018 @ 12:56 PM
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Satire:




posted on Nov, 3 2018 @ 01:43 PM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

This caravan can be considered an invasion force and yes potus as commander in chief has the authority to have them at border to repel invasion force he can't have them engaging with us citizens in states but he sure as shooting can us military to repel invaders. If these people wanted to come here then they should have filed for visas in the embassies or consulates to the US in their lands period.



posted on Nov, 3 2018 @ 06:30 PM
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a reply to: roadgravel

Ironic, because as far as I know before Clinton introduced that law in the 1990s the Coast Guard was never used to enforce immigration laws.

BTW.


Coast Guard Missions The Coast Guard does not fall under the Department of Defense. Until recently, the Coast Guard was under the Department of Transportation. Recent legislation has move the Coast Guard to the newly created Department of Homeland Defense.

However, the Coast Guard is considered a military service, because, during times of war or conflict, the President of the United States can transfer any or all assets of the Coast Guard to the Department of the Navy. In fact, this has been done in almost every single conflict that the United States have ever been involved in. The Coast Guard is commanded by a 4-star admiral, known as the Coast Guard Commandant.
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www.military.com...

As for Pose Comitatus.



Posse Comitatus Act
The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law signed on June 18, 1878 by President Rutherford B. Hayes. The purpose of the act – in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807 – is to limit the powers of the federal government in using federal military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States. It was passed as an amendment to an army appropriation bill following the end of Reconstruction, and was subsequently updated in 1956 and 1981.
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en.wikipedia.org...

The law states "the purpose of the law is to limit the federal government in using military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States." The department of transportation, under which the Coast Guard fell into until 2003, is also part of the federal government. the Department of Homeland Security is also a federal government agency. Nowhere in the law does it state the military branch has to fall under the DoD, but it states "to limit the federal government use of military personnel." The Coast Guard is a military branch which has always been under the order of the federal government, and under orders of the President in case of conflict, or war. It is in fact a military branch which is used to enforce laws, and since Clinton it has been used to enforce immigration laws.

Before Bill Clinton signed the new law restricting the asylum policy of Cubans the Coast Guard would help anyone stranded at sea, including Cubans. Since the law was signed by Clinton the Coast Guard has been used to enforce immigration laws as well.


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posted on Nov, 3 2018 @ 06:37 PM
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originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: JBurns

The Coast Guard is not subject to the PCA despite some wishing it.


It actually does. Read above. It is you who wishes that it didn't, but it does. The PCA does not state a military branch has to fall within the DoD, but it states "to limit the federal government use of military personnel." The department of transportation under which the Coast Guard feel under until 2003 is part of the "federal government," and so is the Department of Homeland Security. And do note it says "to limit."


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posted on Nov, 3 2018 @ 07:02 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Read the links I posted.

I would think the hawks would be happy keeping bad guys at bay on the waters.
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posted on Nov, 3 2018 @ 07:05 PM
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It really doesn't matter, Trump is god do he'll do what he wants. I can't wait for the news reels.

lol.



posted on Nov, 3 2018 @ 07:10 PM
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originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Read the links I posted.

I would think the hawks would be happy keeping bad guys at bay on the waters.


Read the official links i gave you, and do note in the PCA it does not say "the military branch has to fall within the DoD for it to have limited power over the enforcement of the laws within the U.S."

BTW, are you claiming all Cubans who had been trying to reach the shores of the U.S. were criminals? Then you are a racist... Where is your humanitarianism? It hides in a dark corner of your mind until the "illegal immigrants" are only from South America, or from certain nations of the Middle East?




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posted on Nov, 3 2018 @ 07:11 PM
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originally posted by: roadgravel
It really doesn't matter, Trump is god do he'll do what he wants. I can't wait for the news reels.

lol.


POTUS trump is "god now"?... I really think you need to go to the doctor, dementia seems to have taken a hold of you.



posted on Nov, 3 2018 @ 07:16 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The people here seem to think he is, I certainly don't. I believe he has some "issues".



posted on Nov, 3 2018 @ 07:19 PM
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14 USC 2 - Primary Duties

The Coast Guard shall—

(1) enforce or assist in the enforcement of all applicable Federal laws on, under, and over the high seas and waters subject to the jurisdiction of the United States;

(2) engage in maritime air surveillance or interdiction to enforce or assist in the enforcement of the laws of the United States;

(3) administer laws and promulgate and enforce regulations for the promotion of safety of life and property on and under the high seas and waters subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, covering all matters not specifically delegated by law to some other executive department;

(4) develop, establish, maintain, and operate, with due regard to the requirements of national defense, aids to maritime navigation, icebreaking facilities, and rescue facilities for the promotion of safety on, under, and over the high seas and waters subject to the jurisdiction of the United States;

(5) pursuant to international agreements, develop, establish, maintain, and operate icebreaking facilities on, under, and over waters other than the high seas and waters subject to the jurisdiction of the United States;

(6) engage in oceanographic research of the high seas and in waters subject to the jurisdiction of the United States; and

(7) maintain a state of readiness to function as a specialized service in the Navy in time of war, including the fulfillment of Maritime Defense Zone command responsibilities.

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But I really don't care. The people in power and wealth run the country and get what they want.

This whole current caravan thing is just politics and BS to rile up the weak and fearful citizens.



posted on Nov, 3 2018 @ 07:36 PM
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originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The people here seem to think he is, I certainly don't. I believe he has some "issues".



Can you post/quote where anyone in this thread wrote "POTUS Trump is god"?



posted on Nov, 3 2018 @ 07:41 PM
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a reply to: roadgravel

Ironic that the first thing that link you gave states, and I quote:


14 USC 2 - Primary Duties

The Coast Guard shall—

(1) enforce or assist in the enforcement of all applicable Federal laws on, under, and over the high seas and waters subject to the jurisdiction of the United States;
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law.onecle.com...

like the "official military links" I gave you state, the Coast Guard has been under the jurisdiction of federal agencies like the "Department of Transportation" and since 2003 the "Department of Homeland Security," both of which are "federal agencies." The PCA is there "to limit the federal government use of military personnel" and the Coast Guard is a military branch, which has always been under orders of the federal government, and in case of conflict, or war the POTUS.


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posted on Nov, 3 2018 @ 07:43 PM
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Reading here one hears that Trump can do no wrong, it seems. That's close enough.

Who wouldn't be proud of a president would can't resist lying daily to make people feel good.

That's his magic.



posted on Nov, 3 2018 @ 07:47 PM
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So the CG breaks the PCA daily then?

Too bad our Congress doesn't do something to stop it.



posted on Nov, 3 2018 @ 10:12 PM
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originally posted by: roadgravel
Reading here one hears that Trump can do no wrong, it seems. That's close enough.

Who wouldn't be proud of a president would can't resist lying daily to make people feel good.

That's his magic.



It is not even close. The only ones who really went that far was left-wingers who did claim Obama was like a god...

Newsweek’s Evan Thomas: Obama Is ‘Sort of God’

Similar to how left-wing morons also viewed far left-wing dictator Chavez as "a god".

BTW, in order for POTUS Trump to be wrong, you have to show he is wrong, so far you haven't shown so. Instead you want to deny that Bill Clinton, a democrat President, began to enforce immigration laws with one of our military forces, the Coast Guard. That same Clinton changed the asylum laws that were there to protect Cubans fleeing a far left-wing dictatorship that suppresses to this day freedom of speech, and maintains a dictatorial rule on Cubans. The left was silent...

To make it worse, Obama even closed Clinton's "wet foot/dry foot" law and closed the last applicable law which allowed Cubans getting asylum in the U.S. Through all of this, and worse, since the Cuban government even shot down two civilian airplanes of "hermanos al rescate," during the Clinton years, which had legal U.S. residents and at least one U.S. citizen, and the Cuban government under fidel castro ordered Cuban migs to shoot down those civilian planes which were looking for stranded Cubans in "international waters." The left was silent...

Then there was "Elian Gonzalez" fiasco, whose mother had braved shark infested waters to bring Elian to "the land of freedom", she drowned saving her own kid. Yet Clinton ordered armed police to take by force Elian from his family in the U.S., Through all of this throughout the years the left said nothing, and did nothing because the majority of the left are infatuated with left-wing dictatorial regimes... So don't come around now claiming "the high moral ground."

Democrat Presidents have done far worse things than President Trump has done and you all were silent...





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posted on Nov, 4 2018 @ 06:21 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Read the links I posted.

I would think the hawks would be happy keeping bad guys at bay on the waters.


Read the official links i gave you, and do note in the PCA it does not say "the military branch has to fall within the DoD for it to have limited power over the enforcement of the laws within the U.S."

BTW, are you claiming all Cubans who had been trying to reach the shores of the U.S. were criminals? Then you are a racist... Where is your humanitarianism? It hides in a dark corner of your mind until the "illegal immigrants" are only from South America, or from certain nations of the Middle East?





The coast guard is the only branch with different laws...

By the way the Pentagon denied the request. They also specifically said they would never be able to use live weapons in this case. No law enforcement use and will not be in any contact with the migrants.
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posted on Nov, 4 2018 @ 09:38 AM
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originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Gothmog

President talking at a presser is not ROE for any military action.

A politician can make whatever statement they want but it is at best a suggestion to the military, and I cant see Mattiss buying off on a free fire order on civilians as long as fire arms are not being used against the military.


But reinforcing what is in the military code is
So , you think Mattis is the highest ranking military commander in the US?
You are not from around these parts , are you ?




I am not from USA, and even I know that one of the titles of the president is Commander in Chief (I hope I wrote that correctly).



posted on Nov, 4 2018 @ 09:56 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

A bit side ways.

So you say all Cubans are criminals. Hey that was easy.




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