a reply to: Blackfinger
Well, the polen samples taken from the shroud certainly validated since 1978, through the analysis carried out by the internationallly renown expert
Max Frei, the long trip of the relic from the Holy Land through Syria, eastern Turkey, Anatolia , Istanbul to France.
They represent a so strong evidence in favor of the thesis that the Shroud also enter in Europe through Turkey, following a similar path of the
Mandylion of Edessa.
Nevertheless, the existence of more than one holy face not made by human hands is well known since the times of the Roman Empire, even before the
arrival of Constantine the Great to the imperial throne.
Holy faces of Christ or Acheiropoietas
There were various of this Holy faces all miracolously made but of different origin:
- The Camulia, or Kamuliana, a veil with a holy face appeared floating on a river to a humble laundry woman in Cappadocia, central Anatolia on the
first centuries of our era and brought to Constantinople around 560 AD to be carried in tr pennon of the Imperial army.
- The Veronica or Vera Icon stamped on a napkin or hankerchief used to clean the face of Jesus in his way to calvary, by the same woman that suffered
of a hemorrhage and was cured by him. It is on Rome since Tiberius Cesar time used to perform miraculous cures.
- The Shroud of Christ with a whole body image already known and exhibited in the Pharos Chapel of the Imperial Palace in Constantinople since the
- The Mandylion and its companion or twin image on a tile called the Keramylion, which historically are related with King Abgar of Edessa, the leper,
and that was sent by Jesus, prior to his crucifixion, to him to facilitate a distant miracle after the monarch sent his emissaries asking for a
portrait of Christ.
Mandylion of Edessa most likely was Not the Shroud
The two last were traditionally linked with St. Jude Thaddeus, that although for centuries were considered only one individual recent findings suggest
might be 2 Saints, one the 12 Apostles and other one of the 200 disciples ordained by Christ.
The Shroud could be the Mandylion exhibit in a case but Not necessarily.
The knight Robert the Clary has left written testimony that he saw the two relics venerated in different churches.
In Edessa it was never documented that the image was of whole body or had blood of Christ, but as soon as it arrived to Constantinople the known
accounts talk about an image of entire body and Christ blood.
What happened then?
They were the same relic?
Or two different arrived to the Byzantine Capital in an operation of rescue before the Muslims took control of eastern lands?
The Shroud and Mandylion both brought to Constantinople?
The Orthodox Christians believe the Mandilyon may have been lost for ever in a naufrage of a Byzantine Ship in the Marmara sea, escaping from the
Otoman siege of Constantinople.
There is also the possibility it corresponds to the veil of Manoppello, venerated in Italy, or that relic of mysterious origin arrived to that town on
middle ages might be the legendary Camulia.
History of famous Acheiropoietas
Of course all of them were copied at some time by reputed artists with special permits , never as a part of any conspiracy, and those certified copies
were touched to serve as icons with the respective originals to share holyness.
It is Not really precise that there are multitude of false relics claiming authenticity, that is another bold mythic half truth or obssessive lie of
who has decided to attack the thread.
What is certainly true is that each relic was copied to facilitate veneration to people that couldn't have easy access to the original ones. This is
perfectly understandable, remember there were neither photographies, neither films nor videos nor slides or internet at ancient times.
The Angel of Lightness
edit on 11/3/2018 by The angel of light because: (no reason given)